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Falconer02

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #150 on: February 28, 2010, 11:33:16 pm »
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I know they do not agree with my beliefs.

So you have argued with them? Tell me about it.  :)

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I never saw those other posts but they sound like they atleast had a positive attitude.

The threads were furthest from unfortunately. The posts that were christian-oriented usually were misinformed and easily debatable. It was literally people just pushing their beliefs on others and folding their arms. Arguments errupted. It was a good read.

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It just seems like the OP was trying to start problems she has a very negative attitude about the whole Christian religion.

She was not starting problems. She was making a thread that ran parallel to all the other ones. This one was about god not existing rather than existing-- to hear and see where the other side of the argument stems, you come here.

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #151 on: March 01, 2010, 01:33:53 am »
*Humps Falconer's Leg*

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #152 on: March 01, 2010, 08:24:26 am »
^ No I haven't because I know they do not agree with my beliefs. I do not like to cause issues I do not want to start problems that are completely avoidable. They are my friends regardless and I respect their beliefs I do not judge people because they do not believe a certain thing.

But your friends are going to hell if you don't save them!!! 

Right??

...I love one of Merriam-Webster's definitions for faith: "firm belief in something for which there is no proof" - hahaha 

I am not making that up, check it yourself online.
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #153 on: March 01, 2010, 08:28:11 am »
she has a very negative attitude about the whole Christian religion.
Most Indians do, which she is......if you are getting all bent about her having a negative view about "the whole christian religion".....I'd suggest you not read any of my posts.

If you, like most christians, do not wish to learn whats so immoral, hypocritical etc etc etc about your chosen belief system, I'd suggest you re-insert your head into the sand and pretty much not read any posts here.......there are many members here who actually research and knowthe facts that they post and are only more than happy to enlighten people who are so obviously clue-less about what they scream so loudly about.

The level of passion one inserts into their argument does nothing at all to make falsehoods become true.

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #154 on: March 01, 2010, 08:47:32 am »
If you, like most christians, do not wish to learn whats so immoral, hypocritical etc etc etc about your chosen belief system,

One could say the same concerning any faith, yours included. Those who single others out are more often than not just trying to rationalize or justify their own beliefs.  Are your own beliefs so insignificant that you feel the need to step on others to pull yourself up?
Abash'd the Devil stood, and he felt how awful goodness is

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #155 on: March 01, 2010, 09:34:44 am »
Not at all, I simply point out the blatant supremacy and other hateful thinking that is perpetrated by the Christian faith and how the religion itself was formed as a way to subjugate followers and nonbelievers as well.
Most self professed christians dispute these facts are are either blind to them......or liars.
I believe it is a duty for everyone to expose atrocious behavior where ever and when ever it occurs in an attempt to discourage the acts.
I think most so called christians do not truly understand what the faith is really teaching and I would personally love to see all these "righteous" folks denounce such hateful teachings and form a new "faith" reflective of their true beliefs and morals and discontinue enabling atrocious and supremacist  organizations.

As for my personal spirituality.....here-in lies another motivating factor. Millions of "Relatives" have bravely stood against such hateful acts and for the protection of our traditions and in fact our very Culture. My way of honoring their heroic acts and spirit is to continue the struggle until finally one day we can say that until the day of our 7th generation, my descendants will be free to be who they are in their every day life, in their Spirituality, in their beliefs, in their Culture in every way.

We, as indians, do not say we have a religion, for in fact most of us do not, we have our Spirituality. In other words, we do not have a place we go to study and be told what to believe one or two days a week. We have a life way that we live all day, every day. Most of us will not disrespect the teachings of the Elders by throwing them around frivolously. This is not to say we will not speak of some things to someone who respects and honors them, however, I can not be baited into thoughtlessly throwing out any of our ways onto a public online forum to be disrespected, mis-appropriated, bastardized or exploited in any way.

We can, and in fact must "adapt" in some ways, however the teachings of the Elders must be protected and kept pure.

Being Indian is not a matter of some DNA that is part of us, however, without the dna being Indian would be impossible.
Assimilation is a tool used to advance the hateful agendas of people who think they are better than he who they are attempting to assimilate, in other words, they are supremacists.

Assimilation causes one to give up their traditions, beliefs, language and in fact Culture and replace it with that of another culture.
When and if the forced assimilation process of the indigenous of Turtle Island is complete,and the Culture has been replaced......there will be no more Indians, regardless of blood quantum or dreams or warm and fuzzy feelings.......we will all, simply be .....Americans.

Personally.....I find that to be an unnecessary and unacceptable loss.


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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #156 on: March 01, 2010, 10:37:03 am »
As for my personal spirituality.....here-in lies another motivating factor. Millions of "Relatives" have bravely stood against such hateful acts and for the protection of our traditions and in fact our very Culture. My way of honoring their heroic acts and spirit is to continue the struggle until finally one day we can say that until the day of our 7th generation, my descendants will be free to be who they are in their every day life, in their Spirituality, in their beliefs, in their Culture in every way.

You wish for your own people what you would try and deny others? Do you not see the inconsistency in such reasoning?
Abash'd the Devil stood, and he felt how awful goodness is

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #157 on: March 01, 2010, 10:50:11 am »
Very little is denied to one who comes in a good way.
One who comes with an air of entitlement and demands usually departs with much less than they came seeking.
One has no way of knowing who reads these forums or what they will attempt to do with anything the glean from such threads.

I have said it before......"Don't give away your medicine, lest it lose it's power."

Do not give away, meaning, do your very best to protect.

I'm sure you have heard the "time and place for every thing" declaration most of our parents were all too ready to hand down?

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #158 on: March 01, 2010, 11:01:12 am »
Lol wow honestly you all are the crazy ones.
 Why in the world are you all "Non Christians" so worried about the Christian religion?  Why don't you just not worry about it. Save some breathe. Because it's actually very strange how you all are so mad that people are Christians and gang up on every one. Like seriously lol get a life. I don't believe in being a Buddhist but I don't go on forums and try my best to prove to them how it's bull. Why would I? It's pointless. I have better things to do. We don't care what you say either. Because honestly I know God exists and I don't care what anyone says because he has proven to me he exists  :)
Miracles have happend to me and I would probably never would've believed in God but I now know he definitely exists. You don't have to believe in him.. that's your choice. Why are you trying to push your beliefs down MY thorat? Acting like I'm an idiot and saying things trying to bring me and other Christians down. YOU ALL are the hypocrits. How about you do something useful in your life and not spend your entire life trying to "prove" how Christianity is not true.. lol that is just pathetic!
If you don't believe then don't worry aout it.

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #159 on: March 01, 2010, 11:08:38 am »
Lol wow honestly you all are the crazy ones.
 Why in the world are you all "Non Christians" so worried about the Christian religion?  Why don't you just not worry about it. Save some breathe. Because it's actually very strange how you all are so mad that people are Christians and gang up on every one. Like seriously lol get a life. I don't believe in being a Buddhist but I don't go on forums and try my best to prove to them how it's bull. Why would I? It's pointless. I have better things to do. We don't care what you say either. Because honestly I know God exists and I don't care what anyone says because he has proven to me he exists  :)
Miracles have happend to me and I would probably never would've believed in God but I now know he definitely exists. You don't have to believe in him.. that's your choice. Why are you trying to push your beliefs down MY thorat? Acting like I'm an idiot and saying things trying to bring me and other Christians down. YOU ALL are the hypocrits. How about you do something useful in your life and not spend your entire life trying to "prove" how Christianity is not true.. lol that is just pathetic!
If you don't believe then don't worry aout it.
tell ya what......when never again the molestation of children is covered up by the church, or when never again a person is looked down on because they are not christian, when never again a law is passed with the precedence for that law being "manifest Destiny or The Doctrine of Discovery", just to name a couple things, then I will "not worry about it".
Until then, I will speak out on the centuries of genocide committed to peoples all around the world by, and in the name of Christianity!!!!!

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #160 on: March 01, 2010, 11:15:27 am »
lol wow and you think this is all because of Christianity there are bad people EVERYWHERE! There is indeed horrible horrible people who claim themselves as Christian but does that mean you must critisize every Christian in the world. That's actually very hypocritical. Your reason for not liking Christians contradicts the whole reason you don't like Christianity. Just because there are some bad people who claim they are Christians does not mean you can dislike every one... that is complete nonsense you make absolutely no sense what so ever. You say you do not like Christians because they look down on people well maybe some do but the ones I know do not. You are the one critisizing and labeling the whole Christian religion. Do you know ever Christian in the world? Okay then well maybe you should just close your mouth then,

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« Reply #161 on: March 01, 2010, 11:33:37 am »
lol wow and you think this is all because of Christianity there are bad people EVERYWHERE! There is indeed horrible horrible people who claim themselves as Christian but does that mean you must critisize every Christian in the world. That's actually very hypocritical. Your reason for not liking Christians contradicts the whole reason you don't like Christianity. Just because there are some bad people who claim they are Christians does not mean you can dislike every one... that is complete nonsense you make absolutely no sense what so ever. You say you do not like Christians because they look down on people well maybe some do but the ones I know do not. You are the one critisizing and labeling the whole Christian religion. Do you know ever Christian in the world? Okay then well maybe you should just close your mouth then,
Man, I hate going over this again and again every time someone new becomes a member......
I have nothing against "christians" I have a hell of alot against Christianity. Believe me, there is a difference.

Your post is proof that you are yet another of the clueless who have no idea what the christian doctrine truly is.
Not what some bad people made it but what it was originally conceived and intentionally designed to be.

I hope.....you are one of the ones I speak of that are basiclly good people who have been mislead into supporting an institution of hate, being disguised as something righteous.

Of course there are those yet who know full well what christianity  promotes and agrees with the bigoted supremacy.
Which are you?


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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #162 on: March 01, 2010, 11:40:34 am »
Walksalone, I think you're confusing the basis for Christianity with what the Catholic church turned it into. I've read every word of Jesus Christ, not just what the Council of Niceea declared I should, so you may fool uneducated individuals into believing that Christianity is based off of horrid principles and practices, but I know better. Catholicism is by no means the roots of Christianity. 
Abash'd the Devil stood, and he felt how awful goodness is

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« Reply #163 on: March 01, 2010, 11:47:59 am »
Well walksalone I know a lot about Christianity (of course)  I went to a Christian School half my life. What exactly are you talking about the horrible things Christianity promotes? I too think you are confusing Christianity with Catholics which are BY FAR totally different.. The OP was also raised Catholic. Maybe you 2 are getting confused. I agree with Christianity. No one will ever change that so you might as well not even try. I myself am trying to figure out why you looked so much into Christianity if you are not interested in believeing in Jesus.

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« Reply #164 on: March 01, 2010, 11:53:56 am »
OK guys, we could step off the throat of the catholic church and onto the intent of the bible but in mind of expediting the debate and not having to rehash old material please use the search option with the keyword "bible" and read  some of the threads from the past 3 or 4 months.

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