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Re: I THINK GOD AND HIS SON ALL REAL WHAT YALL THINK?
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2010, 11:28:38 pm »
You're ignoring every other gospel if you believe that Jesus intended to portray himself as the equivalent of the god he worshiped. All canonized gospels were selected because they alluded more to the supposed divinity of Jesus Christ than the rest did, but even that was at best indirect. Really, you can't claim as a historic truth that Jesus ever proclaimed himself God.

If you want to understand the man who was Jesus then you can't just rely on what the Council of Nicaea ruled as appropriate for the message they wished to convey. If you do then you do the man and his message a serious disservice. Or you're Catholic. 
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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2010, 11:50:38 pm »
Tough subject to discuss on a forum because no matter what people are always going to have different beliefs. My personal belief is that they could exist, but I'm not holding my breath on it.

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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2010, 06:11:50 am »
You presume to speak for god and tell us how he measures time? I'd be insulted if I were god. Nice work.
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« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2010, 09:15:43 pm »
There is a major difference between believing they are real and choosing to worship them.



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Re: I THINK GOD AND HIS SON ALL REAL WHAT YALL THINK?
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2010, 04:59:26 am »
Yes, Jesus is real.  He died on the cross for our sins.  If you trust in Him, you will not die, but will have eternal life with Him in Heaven forever.
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« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2010, 10:10:15 am »
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Yes, Jesus is real.  He died on the cross for our sins.  If you trust in Him, you will not die, but will have eternal life with Him in Heaven forever.

Forever? Can you even comprehend what a horrible thing that would be to us mortals? The greek gods found immortality to be the worst burden they had to carry. Even one of the Q from Star Trek begged for death because it was the only thing he hadn't experienced! And quite frankly why would you want to believe you are born into sin? Because of the suave charismatic talking snake and a peice of fruit? Do you really want to spend your life pleasing a god that is going to punish you forever due to a finite amount of sin?

Please, think for yourself and write in your own words and not the bibles...tell us why you believe this. How can this make you feel good? Are you frightened of others ideas? Are you depressed over the burdens of the world? I'd like to know.

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« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2010, 10:43:43 am »
You're ignoring every other gospel if you believe that Jesus intended to portray himself as the equivalent of the god he worshiped. All canonized gospels were selected because they alluded more to the supposed divinity of Jesus Christ than the rest did, but even that was at best indirect. Really, you can't claim as a historic truth that Jesus ever proclaimed himself God.

If you want to understand the man who was Jesus then you can't just rely on what the Council of Nicaea ruled as appropriate for the message they wished to convey. If you do then you do the man and his message a serious disservice. Or you're Catholic. 

Yep so true just cause the pharisees thought he was making himself equal to god doesn't make it true. Do you believe in Jesus or the pharisees? If you believe in Jesus and not the pharisees denounce the trinity now. However I saw a show called exodus decoded on the history channel, all people from all walks of life should watch that program, even if you don't believe in the bible, or you believe in some other holy book, or you hold on to archaelogy and science over the bible, or if your not christian, whatever your beliefs are WATCH THAT PROGRAM SERIOUSLY SO MUCH ARCHAELOGICAL AND SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

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Re: I THINK GOD AND HIS SON ALL REAL WHAT YALL THINK?
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2010, 11:01:48 am »
God is real, but there is no such thing as a so-called son of God. In spite of what the Bible proclaims in certain areas; the fact remains that the bible has been proven to have been tampered with. If you utilize reason and logic, why would the Great Creator, create man and woman, and have to turn around and have a son to live and die for our sins. A child may be born in a sinful world, but that child is still pure and innocent; to believe that as soon as a child is born that he/she is automatically convicted of sin is downright a good case to receive social security disability. :angry7:
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« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2010, 11:45:27 am »
God is real, but there is no such thing as a so-called son of God. In spite of what the Bible proclaims in certain areas; the fact remains that the bible has been proven to have been tampered with. If you utilize reason and logic, why would the Great Creator, create man and woman, and have to turn around and have a son to live and die for our sins. A child may be born in a sinful world, but that child is still pure and innocent; to believe that as soon as a child is born that he/she is automatically convicted of sin is downright a good case to receive social security disability. :angry7:

Ah, do stick around.
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« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2010, 11:47:13 am »
God is real, but there is no such thing as a so-called son of God. In spite of what the Bible proclaims in certain areas; the fact remains that the bible has been proven to have been tampered with. If you utilize reason and logic, why would the Great Creator, create man and woman, and have to turn around and have a son to live and die for our sins. A child may be born in a sinful world, but that child is still pure and innocent; to believe that as soon as a child is born that he/she is automatically convicted of sin is downright a good case to receive social security disability. :angry7:

THE BIBLE HAS MOST DEFINITELY BEEN TAMPERED WITH. Check out my source below,

Why They Left It Out

When J. M. Powis Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed produced a modern translation of the Bible in 1935, readers found that LORD and GOD had been used in most places as a substitution for God's name. The reason was explained in a preface: "In this translation we have followed the orthodox Jewish tradition and substituted 'the Lord' for the name 'Yahweh' and the phrase 'the Lord God' for the phrase 'the Lord Yahweh.' In all cases where 'Lord' or 'God' represents an original 'Yahweh' small capitals are employed."

Then, in an unusual reversal of the tradition of the Jews who read YHWH but pronounced it "Lord," the preface says: "Anyone, therefore, who desires to retain the flavor of the original text has but to read 'Yahweh' wherever he sees LORD or GOD"!

On reading this, the question immediately comes to mind: If reading "Yahweh" instead of "LORD" retains the "flavor of the original text," why did the translators not use "Yahweh" in their translation? Why did they, in their own word, 'substitute' the word "LORD" for God's name and thus mask the flavor of the original text?

The translators say that they were following orthodox Jewish tradition. Yet is that wise for a Christian? Remember, it was the Pharisees, the preservers of orthodox Jewish tradition, who rejected Jesus and were told by him: "You have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition." (Matthew 15:6) Such substitution truly weakens the Word of God.

In 1952 the Revised Standard Version of the Hebrew Scriptures was published in English, and this Bible, too, used substitutions for God's name. This was noteworthy because the original American Standard Version, of which this was a revision, used the name Jehovah all through the Hebrew Scriptures. Hence, the omission of the name was an outstanding departure. Why was it done?

In the preface to the Revised Standard Version, we read: "For two reasons the Committee has returned to the more familiar usage of the King James Version [that is, omitting the name of God]: (1) the word 'Jehovah' does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew; and (2) the use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom he had to be distinguished, was discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is entirely inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church."

Are these sound arguments? Well, as discussed earlier, the name Jesus does not accurately represent the original form of the name of God's Son used by his followers. Yet this did not persuade the Committee to avoid using that name and to use instead a title such as "Mediator" or "Christ." True, these titles are used, but in addition to the name Jesus, not instead of it.

As to the argument that there are no other gods from whom the true God had to be differentiated, that is simply not true. There are millions of gods worshiped by mankind. The apostle Paul noted: "There are many 'gods.'" (1 Corinthians 8:5; Philippians 3:19) Of course, there is only one true God, as Paul goes on to say. Hence, one great advantage of using the name of the true God is that it keeps him separate from all the false gods. Besides, if using the name of God is "entirely inappropriate," why does it appear almost 7,000 times in the original Hebrew Scriptures?

The truth is, many translators have not felt that the name, with its modern pronunciation, is out of place in the Bible. They have included it in their versions, and the result has always been a translation that gives more honor to the Bible's Author and hews more faithfully to the original text. Some widely used versions that include the name are the Valera translation (Spanish, published in 1602), the Almeida version (Portuguese, published in 1681), the original Elberfelder version (German, published in 1871), as well as the American Standard Version (English, published in 1901). Some translations, notably The Jerusalem Bible, also consistently use God's name but with the spelling Yahweh.

(watchtower.org)

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Re: I THINK GOD AND HIS SON ALL REAL WHAT YALL THINK?
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2010, 12:43:06 pm »
Oh great Science, you're a Jehovah's Witness. This "source" you site, Watchtower, has been a greater source of mistranslation and misinformation than nearly every other denomination of Christianity in existence. I'd say the only groups more far afield from the roots of your doctrine are Mormons and Catholics, but not by much, if at all. Ugh.
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Re: I THINK GOD AND HIS SON ALL REAL WHAT YALL THINK?
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2010, 04:23:51 pm »
Oh great Science, you're a Jehovah's Witness. This "source" you site, Watchtower, has been a greater source of mistranslation and misinformation than nearly every other denomination of Christianity in existence. I'd say the only groups more far afield from the roots of your doctrine are Mormons and Catholics, but not by much, if at all. Ugh.

The JW's are not mormon or catholic. Also Newton believed the same thing. Did he read a mistranslated bible 0_0. Also read Genesis 31:49, I can assure you every priest, minister, scholar etc will tell you that mizpah means watchtower. Oh btw keep attacking the JW's lol more proof that their right since there hated on :)
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Re: I THINK GOD AND HIS SON ALL REAL WHAT YALL THINK?
« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2010, 05:09:11 pm »
I'm a defender of Christianity, which in turn makes me opposed to Catholicism, Mormonism, and your own practices which only further poison the message of Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2010, 05:42:20 pm »
I'm a defender of Christianity, which in turn makes me opposed to Catholicism, Mormonism, and your own practices which only further poison the message of Jesus Christ.


And what exactly is Jesus Christ message? Please enlighten me.

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« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2010, 05:55:56 pm »
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This "source" you site, Watchtower, has been a greater source of mistranslation and misinformation than nearly every other denomination of Christianity in existence.

Somewhat true, but it has some logical ways of dismissing things like the existence of hell (the whole Sheol accounts and all).

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I'm a defender of Christianity, which in turn makes me opposed to Catholicism, Mormonism, and your own practices which only further poison the message of Jesus Christ

Well you stated earlier that you were looking for an argument with me so I'll give you a decent one! Mind you that I think we're both on par in many aspects but I was wondering with your statement is when they 'poison' the msg. of JC, could this be a good thing in the present?

Here's what I'm getting at. Look at our culture today- we're considered rich in the eyes of most of the world.
Matthew 19:24
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

We are taught at a young age to defend ourselves and fight back. We are taught to hate thieves and oppress them in any way. We are taught to not be taken advantage of by crooks. Even now I'm learning to not let people borrow money from me.
Matthew 5:39
"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

Unless these quoted are what you're speaking of (poisoned statements) and they're 'idiot-proofed' so people can't mold them into whatever, it sounds like Jesus was the first hippy. Why would one defend these messages when all Christians are guilty of not following these rules? And even with that guilt, it makes no logical sense to defend them, right? I want your .02 on this.

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He said evidence the nail had been handled a lot "indicates it was of great interest to many people" and that he believes the original Knights Templar thought it was a genuine artifact from Jesus' crucifixion.
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The iron nail, similar to the type used in thousands of crucifixions across the Roman Empire
How is it proof that it's from Jesus and not from some other celebrity that was crucified? You're falling into this mindset--

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