Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?

[letsearn]

Yeah, okay, as a mortal being, I do believe in both.

But, as of now, I should say hell or heaven is where you are, and what you make of your world

[Stealth3si]

My point is the Bible doesn't read anything about a good hearted soul rising up to a Heaven... or being tortured in Hell...Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.

Not that I even believe that story either... I'm just trying to prove most people don't even go by the bible.

I'm confused.

First, your claim was the bible says nothing about either heaven or hell. Now you concede it does.

Which is it?

But since you don't believe in either story, why does it matter to you that people go by it or not?

Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.

But none of these ideas are Biblical. I would call your concepts of heaven and hell heresy.

[yulyrnc]

Yes I do. If there's good there should be evil so we appreciate the good.

[tholl01]

I don't believe there is a Heaven or Hell,but then again that just my belief. I don't know what to believe.

[clcflash]

i don't believe in heaven or hell, but i do believe in being good.

[tuyetmai]

I do believe there is life after in heaven and hell.

[BAnh]

I don't believe in them. I think death is the end. Nothing else after that; no heaven or hell.

[Rastov]

My point is the Bible doesn't read anything about a good hearted soul rising up to a Heaven... or being tortured in Hell...Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.

Not that I even believe that story either... I'm just trying to prove most people don't even go by the bible.

I'm confused.

First, your claim was the bible says nothing about either heaven or hell. Now you concede it does.

Which is it?

But since you don't believe in either story, why does it matter to you that people go by it or not?

Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.

But none of these ideas are Biblical. I would call your concepts of heaven and hell heresy.

Actually his posts regarding Hell being a grave are completely accurate, barring the single mention in Revelation.
Jews do not, nor did they ever believe in Hell. This includes Jesus. Hell was a Persian concept brought into Christianity some time later.
And Heaven being paradise on Earth isn't even disputable. Not only is it not heresy it's impossible to reconcile any other conclusion from reading the Bible itself. Daniel is the first book to mention the concept of being raised from the dead, and it's in Israel.
When Paul speaks of it, he never once speaks of an eternity spent anywhere else but Earth.
Finally in Revelation Jesus's throne is where? Not the sky. But king David's throne, in(you guessed it) geographic Jerusalem.

I don't think you've read your Bible very often to be lacking in these basic and very straight forward concepts.

[liljp617]

Yes I do. If there's good there should be evil so we appreciate the good.

Might I ask:  Why isn't it the opposite?

[rivonda]

yes yes yes

[walksalone11]

yes yes yes

exactly....and nows when you call me "Oh God"!

[kesto4]

There is most definitely life after death. You must have faith.

[Stealth3si]

My point is the Bible doesn't read anything about a good hearted soul rising up to a Heaven... or being tortured in Hell...Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.

Not that I even believe that story either... I'm just trying to prove most people don't even go by the bible.

I'm confused.

First, your claim was the bible says nothing about either heaven or hell. Now you concede it does.

Which is it?

But since you don't believe in either story, why does it matter to you that people go by it or not?

Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.

But none of these ideas are Biblical. I would call your concepts of heaven and hell heresy.

Actually his posts regarding Hell being a grave are completely accurate, barring the single mention in Revelation.
Jews do not, nor did they ever believe in Hell. This includes Jesus. Hell was a Persian concept brought into Christianity some time later.
And Heaven being paradise on Earth isn't even disputable. Not only is it not heresy it's impossible to reconcile any other conclusion from reading the Bible itself. Daniel is the first book to mention the concept of being raised from the dead, and it's in Israel.
When Paul speaks of it, he never once speaks of an eternity spent anywhere else but Earth.
Finally in Revelation Jesus's throne is where? Not the sky. But king David's throne, in(you guessed it) geographic Jerusalem.

I don't think you've read your Bible very often to be lacking in these basic and very straight forward concepts.

I don't disagree with the biblical authors' words, nor do I want to redefine anything. I just disagree with the point he's offering because it tells only a part of the story, not of its (in)accuracy.

EDIT: Actually, I re-read some of the OP's previous posts in a different thread where he had posted the same bible quotes.

Surely they are accurate (according to a Jehovah's Witness bible) but I would still call them heresy since they don't share the same theological tradition.

[dougmattson]

Heaven for sure

[liljp617]

There is most definitely life after death. You must have faith.

You don't think those two sentences contradict each other??