Health Care

[irishlady1970]

Americans need to wake up and start fighting for control over whats happens to them. We need to wake up and take back control from the government. I came over to this country 17 years ago from Ireland and I have seen this country change from a free country where you can speak and not be judged to you need to watch every word coming out of your mouth (thats just one example). Don't just settle for what you have, do something about it.
I don't want to offend anyone here, but thats how feel. I love this country and want it to be the country it used to be before liberals dicatated our every move, what we can or cannot do. Americans need to get back their fight and wakeup.

[liljp617]

Evil liberals and their dictatorship!


I laugh a lot when average people (ie people who haven't taken a single political science course or really studied the subject at all) try to analyze situations and think they're doing a good job at it.  I don't claim to be an expert, but if your entire claim rests on the basis of "evil liberals" and "government mandates," your case sucks hard.  The government mandates an amazing amount of things that I see no fist-raising over.  It's humorous.

[mlmhome]

is very important in the usa.

[irishlady1970]

People don't raise their fists any more because they are too lazy to fight for what they want. They are too busy waiting to see someone else do it for them.

[Rastov]

Does anyone care that millions are walking around without healthcare, take for example, the mom with 3 kids, husband got bored and wanted to look for someone younger and left the mom, no child support to pay bills nothing, she has to work 2 part time jobs, and can't even pay bills, and health care, forget that, neither of the jobs offer it. So what are her kids supposed to do.

This is already covered by Medicare.

I laugh a lot when average people (ie people who haven't taken a single political science course or really studied the subject at all) try to analyze situations and think they're doing a good job at it.  I don't claim to be an expert, but if your entire claim rests on the basis of "evil liberals" and "government mandates," your case sucks hard.  The government mandates an amazing amount of things that I see no fist-raising over.  It's humorous.

I'll take this one, assuming you're willing to debate someone that can compete with you
The government has never mandated a requirement to pay roughly a quarter of your income directly to a large for-profit business.
What I find humorous, is that you would endorse something like this.

[irishlady1970]

Evil liberals and their dictatorship!


I laugh a lot when average people (ie people who haven't taken a single political science course or really studied the subject at all) try to analyze situations and think they're doing a good job at it.  I don't claim to be an expert, but if your entire claim rests on the basis of "evil liberals" and "government mandates," your case sucks hard.  The government mandates an amazing amount of things that I see no fist-raising over.  It's humorous.

You should not assume that folks with an opinion about politics are uneducated in the area of political science. I for one have taken political science in college (I have a Masters Degree) and have a very good understanding about politics and how it affects our lives every day. My eyes are wide open as to what is happening in our country today.
I value your opinion and salute you for voicing it  

[liljp617]

I laugh a lot when average people (ie people who haven't taken a single political science course or really studied the subject at all) try to analyze situations and think they're doing a good job at it.  I don't claim to be an expert, but if your entire claim rests on the basis of "evil liberals" and "government mandates," your case sucks hard.  The government mandates an amazing amount of things that I see no fist-raising over.  It's humorous.

I'll take this one, assuming you're willing to debate someone that can compete with you
The government has never mandated a requirement to pay roughly a quarter of your income directly to a large for-profit business.
What I find humorous, is that you would endorse something like this.

There's really no debate to be had.  I already said very early in the thread that I disagree with a lot of the current bill and how it's being done purely on a partisan basis.  I am in no way endorsing the majority of the current bill (I will, however, continue to endorse a universal system).  I support barring insurance companies from denying people with pre-conditions or from "shedding" people with chronic illnesses, I support the bill's attempts to limit insurance company profits, I support the elderly getting nearly all their prescription drugs covered, I support people with modest to high incomes being able to purchase care at better prices than are currently available.

I'm merely asking people why they're just now starting to complain about government mandates on anything.  I simply think it's a horrible criticism of the bill when there are so many more legitimate criticisms.

Evil liberals and their dictatorship!


I laugh a lot when average people (ie people who haven't taken a single political science course or really studied the subject at all) try to analyze situations and think they're doing a good job at it.  I don't claim to be an expert, but if your entire claim rests on the basis of "evil liberals" and "government mandates," your case sucks hard.  The government mandates an amazing amount of things that I see no fist-raising over.  It's humorous.

You should not assume that folks with an opinion about politics are uneducated in the area of political science. I for one have taken political science in college (I have a Masters Degree) and have a very good understanding about politics and how it affects our lives every day. My eyes are wide open as to what is happening in our country today.
I value your opinion and salute you for voicing it  

Then you should easily recognize pinning blame for the state of this nation solely on liberal principles is ridiculous and beyond baseless?

As for assuming, I don't see such an assumption being an issue when barely a quarter of the population has a college degree, the average person can't name their local or federal representatives, can't tell you when this country was founded, doesn't know the difference between the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, can't tell you the most obvious details of more than one or two issues, etc. etc.  In other words, I assume most people I come into contact with don't pay attention to politics and thus spout whatever headlines they hear.  Why?  Because that is actually how most people are based on the polling of the general American public.

[Rastov]

I laugh a lot when average people (ie people who haven't taken a single political science course or really studied the subject at all) try to analyze situations and think they're doing a good job at it.  I don't claim to be an expert, but if your entire claim rests on the basis of "evil liberals" and "government mandates," your case sucks hard.  The government mandates an amazing amount of things that I see no fist-raising over.  It's humorous.

I'll take this one, assuming you're willing to debate someone that can compete with you
The government has never mandated a requirement to pay roughly a quarter of your income directly to a large for-profit business.
What I find humorous, is that you would endorse something like this.

There's really no debate to be had.  I already said very early in the thread that I disagree with the current bill and how it's being done purely on a partisan basis.  I am in no way endorsing the current bill (I will, however, continue to endorse a universal system).  

I'm merely asking people why they're just now starting to complain about government mandates.  I imagine it has something to do with the money.  In which case, the question still stands.

I don't know. A lot of the Tea Party movement, really don't like government mandates of any sort. Income tax, property tax. They're basically 21st century tribalists.

[liljp617]

I really have no desire to get into what the Tea Party Movement wants.  I will say I think it's reasonable to assume most of the Tea Party goers are conservatives who supported, and probably continue to support, our efforts in the Middle East.  I find that slightly odd given they're generally opposed to taxation (or overbearing taxation) and government spending.

[Falconer02]

Well...it passed this morning. 60 to 39. Just thought you'd all like to know.

[drew4464]

Get ready to pay 1500.00 a month for health care for a family of four

[Falconer02]

I think the tax wave only majorly effects individuals/families who make over 250k a year. Anyone have some decent sources on how this will effect everyone?

[dougmattson]

I sure didn't vote for him

[walksalone11]

I sure didn't vote for him

"He" hasn't signed it yet.
He most likely will but this was the senate not the prez who voted.

From what I read it is not a done deal yet.

[kesto4]

I sure didn't vote for him

"He" hasn't signed it yet.
He most likely will but this was the senate not the prez who voted.

From what I read it is not a done deal yet.

Obama and the democrats have been pushing for it. Obama is trying to freak out americans by saying we will all die if it doesn't go through. As far as I know, we have made it just fine since Medicare was put in in the 1930s. Obama should be killed for a terrible president he is and Harry Reid will burn in hell.

Your Democrats don't want you to figure out what is in this bill so they passed it quickly. It will only help 10% of us and the other 90%...well we will be stuck paying ridiculous amounts to a government who is now monopolizing health care and will raise prices, spend MORE SPEND MORE SPEND MORE GO MORE IN DEBT SPEND MORE and then TAX TAX TAX MORE.

Thank you for all of the idiots who voted for Obama. Do you still see hope and change? You are truly the idiots.