Do YOU believe in MIRACLES ??????

[Flackle]

^^^^ as you can see bashes with the highest extent.. big EGO xD This guy just wont leave it alone there like kids wanting attention saying how better they are...


sad really

and im glad you agree [sarcasmn]

At least I bash ideas, instead of bashing other people with ad hominem attacks.

So let me get this right...

If I was a christian, then I would be fully allowed to express my opinion without question. I would be allowed to say anything, no matter how ridiculous, without being criticized for expressing this opinion (by you).

On the other hand, being an atheist, if I express my opinion then I am an egotistical hater who should be censored because I am obviously mentally unstable.

Please define egotism, we clearly don't have the same definition of the term.

[melman1]

Though I partially agree with you, these two statements are why sometimes putting down someone's beliefs is sound judgement and beneficial.

Putting someone down simply because they don't believe in the same things you do is not beneficial in any way, shape, or form, and saying something so ridiculous, in my opinion, shows a serious lack of judgement. I don't know whether or not God exists, and I really don't care, but in America everyone has a right to believe the way they want to without being put down because of it. A miracle is defined as a supernatural event. If people who believe in God want to attribute these events to their deity, who does it hurt?        

[Flackle]

Though I partially agree with you, these two statements are why sometimes putting down someone's beliefs is sound judgement and beneficial.

Putting someone down simply because they don't believe in the same things you do is not beneficial in any way, shape, or form, and saying something so ridiculous, in my opinion, shows a serious lack of judgement. I don't know whether or not God exists, and I really don't care, but in America everyone has a right to believe the way they want to without being put down because of it. A miracle is defined as a supernatural event. If people who believe in God want to attribute these events to their deity, who does it hurt?        

Excuse me, but the freedom to speech assumes we also have the freedom to put down other people. You don't have a right not to be offended, and if we want to put down someone because we think what they believe is ridiculous we should have the full right to do so.

Payer can cause plenty of harm, when used in place of real actual science.

[melman1]

Though I partially agree with you, these two statements are why sometimes putting down someone's beliefs is sound judgement and beneficial.

Putting someone down simply because they don't believe in the same things you do is not beneficial in any way, shape, or form, and saying something so ridiculous, in my opinion, shows a serious lack of judgement. I don't know whether or not God exists, and I really don't care, but in America everyone has a right to believe the way they want to without being put down because of it. A miracle is defined as a supernatural event. If people who believe in God want to attribute these events to their deity, who does it hurt?        

Excuse me, but the freedom to speech assumes we also have the freedom to put down other people. You don't have a right not to be offended, and if we want to put down someone because we think what they believe is ridiculous we should have the full right to do so.

Payer can cause plenty of harm, when used in place of real actual science.

Wow! Now we're rewriting the Bill of Rights? First off, there's an old saying about assuming things, I'm sure you know the one I mean. Secondly, "you don't have the right not to be offended"? Exactly what does that mean, that you would force me to take offense at something that doesn't bother me? Does that really make sense to you?
Prayer never hurt anyone, it's fanaticism that causes all the problems. If your belief in something, whether it's for God or against God, is so blind that you have to attack someone, verbally or otherwise, then in my opinion you're a fanatic and cannot be reasoned with. After reading some of your previous posts, Flackle, I have concluded that having a conversation with you on this subject is useless, so I hope you have a nice life and I wish you all the best.      

[Flackle]

Though I partially agree with you, these two statements are why sometimes putting down someone's beliefs is sound judgement and beneficial.

Putting someone down simply because they don't believe in the same things you do is not beneficial in any way, shape, or form, and saying something so ridiculous, in my opinion, shows a serious lack of judgement. I don't know whether or not God exists, and I really don't care, but in America everyone has a right to believe the way they want to without being put down because of it. A miracle is defined as a supernatural event. If people who believe in God want to attribute these events to their deity, who does it hurt?        

Excuse me, but the freedom to speech assumes we also have the freedom to put down other people. You don't have a right not to be offended, and if we want to put down someone because we think what they believe is ridiculous we should have the full right to do so.

Payer can cause plenty of harm, when used in place of real actual science.

Wow! Now we're rewriting the Bill of Rights? First off, there's an old saying about assuming things, I'm sure you know the one I mean. Secondly, "you don't have the right not to be offended"? Exactly what does that mean, that you would force me to take offense at something that doesn't bother me? Does that really make sense to you?
Prayer never hurt anyone, it's fanaticism that causes all the problems. If your belief in something, whether it's for God or against God, is so blind that you have to attack someone, verbally or otherwise, then in my opinion you're a fanatic and cannot be reasoned with. After reading some of your previous posts, Flackle, I have concluded that having a conversation with you on this subject is useless, so I hope you have a nice life and I wish you all the best.      

This statement makes absolutely not sense, and in no way can you logically entail this statement from anything I have said. No one can force you to take offense from something, and even if you don't take personal offense from someone doesn't believe in god, you was the one that stated "In America, we have the right to believe what we want too without being put down" which assumes that you have the right to censor others who doesn't believe the same you do, because that's the only way to guarantee you wont be "put down" for your beliefs.

The meaning of the statement "You don't have the right not to be offended" in a nutshell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bwGsOBTlhE

I apologize if my dissenting view makes me a fanatic. Maybe I'll just go sit in a corner and forget about expressing my views on any subject because apparently having an opinion is only okay when you're a centered boring individual who doesn't particularly believe in anything.

[nhendrickson]

I have to agree with Flackle on this one.  In America, we have a right to believe, or not, what we want and to worship, or not, as we choose.  But, with a very few exceptions, there's a right to free speech that lets people freely express views that may be unpopular and may offend someone somewhere.  Not offending people is NOT an exception to the right to free speech.  After, you can choose to ignore someone, respond to them, or engage in name calling out of frustration.  That's your right   
 

[sammywantsya]

should we remind you of what happened with falcon9 lol xD maan these so called bashers and haters are everywhere no wonder kids here dont wanna talk... DAAAMN


sad to keep this burden..  ohhh well its there own fault not ours... haters to the fullest..  also arent we getting out of hand with randomn shyt talking about putting someone down...  you guys are forgetting the ops topic... this clearly says that thats why the ego is there so they think we dont know nothing about this shyt.

all honesty fackle who gives a daamn... theres a differnce by giving ur opinion and then putting them down.. i labeled you as a hater and a basher for one reason only you like to stir up nonsense.. if you like to argue and argue to see ur right thats fine but if this person dont wanna argue back who gives u the right to act like u own this topic??? tell me that fackle... your worse then falcon9 man... at least he knows when to shut up. and please dont get all innocent act all on me pal.. you started this i didnt... i didnt mentioned you in this topic so go off your high horse..

[Flackle]

should we remind you of what happened with falcon9 lol xD maan these so called bashers and haters are everywhere no wonder kids here dont wanna talk... DAAAMN


sad to keep this burden..  ohhh well its there own fault not ours... haters to the fullest..  also arent we getting out of hand with randomn shyt talking about putting someone down...  you guys are forgetting the ops topic... this clearly says that thats why the ego is there so they think we dont know nothing about this shyt.

all honesty fackle who gives a daamn... theres a differnce by giving ur opinion and then putting them down.. i labeled you as a hater and a basher for one reason only you like to stir up nonsense.. if you like to argue and argue to see ur right thats fine but if this person dont wanna argue back who gives u the right to act like u own this topic??? tell me that fackle... your worse then falcon9 man... at least he knows when to shut up. and please dont get all innocent act all on me pal.. you started this i didnt... i didnt mentioned you in this topic so go off your high horse..

I never force anyone to respond to what I say. It would be physically impossible for me to do that on this forum. Just as everyone has the right to speak their mind, I have the full right to criticize. Sorry. That's the price you pay for freedom. When someone makes a topic, they need to realize they have no control over those who posts. To assume otherwise would mean threads would have absolutely no dissenting viewpoints, and as a result no true discussion. You want to live in a world where we cannot debate ideas? How can we grow without ever being criticized? I don't debate to convince others of my view points (even if it may be a side-effect). I debate to learn. If you don't want to debate, then don't respond to my posts. It's that simple.

This is the debate and discuss forum, isn't it? If so then I respectfully request a post of actual substance.

Why am I not allowed to criticize others on this forum open to debate and discussion?
Why is there suddenly some unwritten rule that says we cannot deviate from the original intent of the forum, even slightly?
Why is it that I am called a hater, yet I don't blatantly use Ad hominems, and use words like "shyt" nor namedrop other forum members.
Why is that I am a hater, when there have been plenty of religious persons debating a frivolously and often times crossing lines much further then I ever have and yet they're just fine?
Why is it that you're defending against my supposed "attacks" when I don't used charged words like "basher", "hater", and "shut up"?

[sammywantsya]

enough said kiddo you started to fight when i have no reason to argue with you... you always have to pick on me for some FN reason maan... so stop with all the bullshyt...

stop playing around... like i said who gives a daamn about you the way you act the way you tolerate with others here are def ridiculous..  id rather have falcon9 back then you... end of story..

[queensurvey]

Yes! I believe in miracles!