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[Abrupt]

[quote from Abrupt liar]I challenge you to show where I have tried to redefine any word, much less 'another' word.  I can see from your weak statement that the only proof you need is that Falcon9 claimed it happened and this makes you the fool that follows the fool.  This supposed 'redefinition' you speak of that I am alluding to is over 2000 years old and was in the book that used the word to define the usage of the word -- that hardly qualifies as any 'redefinition'.  If your book includes a glossary of terms you are expected to use that glossary and if you are not aware of this you need to go back to grade school.  Recant your statement or show proof or hold the label of liar alongside Falcon9.

Oh please. I don't feel the need to again backtrack and quote since your ego will simply brush it off as something completely different from what I could quote. You display selective hearing. You can't admit when you're wrong. You don't know how to compromise. You even name call when there's no foundation for it. I've already learned my lesson from your arguments. Strangely it would seem Falcon9 hasn't, and he has been arguing with you for much longer.

I'll admit to giving the "Abrupt" liar additional rope to 'hang himself' since he'd accomplished that by now, (and has provided sufficient evidence here of how far some faith-blinded religious fundie xtians will go in their superstitious self-deceptions). The extra rope was provided to gage whether or not the fundie liar would continue to represent otehr xtians in such a 'good light'.  Kudos, nyet?

So you know what? Let's just forget about the massive amount of facts presented against your flawed arguments. Let's forget about the numerous logical fallacies you present in every one of your posts. Atheism is a religion. Religious faith isn't blind. Just because you and your very few cherry-picked instances say so. Congrats.

[quote from Abrupt liar]12 years old, hmmm?   Well, that's ALMOST teen-aged, I guess.....I think this would be OK for you then - [/quote]

I enjoyed this so much, I looked it up on google and was surprised you didn't show the bottom of the page which said "Customers who bought titles by Pastor Deacon Fred also bought titles by these authors: Adolf Hitler, Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps, George Bush, Jorgé Luis Borges" HA!

He managed to abruptly 'flame' himself, did he?  That saves some effort.
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You are so weak to even go as far as to try an mimic me.  This is laughable though as you lack the character.  It is you that is the liar and we all know this as I have repeatedly demonstrated it and even you conceded it with your challenges that you were unable to complete that I easily managed.  You have given me nothing.  I wrested your sham of integrity from your two lying hands.

'Hang' me?  Is that another of your Freudian slips since I am sure that along with picturing me shirtless and dreaming about my nuts that you also fantasize that I am quite well 'hung'.

It is funny that you continue to call me a religious 'fundie' but were you required to prove it by anything here you would be entirely incapable of doing such.  Consider that why don't you while you consider the degree to which I am 'hung'.

[falcon9]

And yet with all your pompous claims ...

Which, specific, "pompous claims" were those?

I have revealed your dishonesty, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and ignorance.

No such false accusations have been substantiated; merely claiming to have done so does not constitute substantiation.  You prevaricate poorly, even for a specious xtian.
 

You have been reduced to ...

Nothing you're able to post has "reduced" one iota of what I'm able to post in refutatio of your lies.

I am quite sure that I have a far more extensive education than you do, both formally and informally -- since you brought the subject up.

While neither of us have any practical way of verifying that claim one way or the other, (sans posting notarized transcripts and depositions from witnesses), I seriously doubt your claim on the basis of the evidence of your penchant for making false claims herein.
 

My debate style has been mostly gained through practice,  with some insight from creative writing experience and legal proceedings.

No, your "debating style" is one of a flaming troll and relies upon strawman arguments, specious 'non-reasoning' and outright lies.
 

Regardless, it has been more than sufficient to pluck your feathers and reveal you for what you are.  You are free to classify me however you wish, but be aware that however low you place me puts you even lower since I have thoroughly bested you here at virtually (if not entirely) every point and turn.

Such claims of 'victory' emanating weakly from the ashes of your own defeat would be amusing, had I not heard such false claims before.  Tell yourself whatever lies you need to assuage your fragile ego.  Telling public lies about others will be opposed, liar.

[falcon9]

I have done far too many shameful things to posses much trace of pride or ego. 

Yet, you're still either a compulsive or, pathological liar, (as indicated by archived posts in your own words).

I have actually admitted being wrong here within these forums, something I am sure your beloved Falcon9 could never do (even though I have repeatedly proven his lies for all to see and yet you and him seem to be blind to them).

Firstly, you've "proven" no such thing since I haven't lied in any of my posts.  Secondly, I *have* admitted to error on these forums within at least two separate occasions, (find them yourself, lazy liar).

The facts favor me and not him ...

That's a false claim which apparently relies too heavily upon the 'hope' that no one has read these threads in their entirety and only the most recent posts, (where such empty claims are being made, as they are now), and on zero evidence.

I would again ask you to look back at these so called 'logical fallacies' I have been accused of committing and you will see that they are simply accusations by Falcon9 and not actualities. 

Every "accusation" made has been made with substantiating evidence/validreasoning, (as opposed to "Abrupt's" false accusations which lack evidence and are based simply upon his lies alone).

I am particular in my methodology and I stick to the truth of what I know and I don't rely on or require fallacious tricks to prove my points ...

That's a false claim which apparently relies too heavily upon the 'hope' that no one has read these threads in their entirety and only the most recent posts, (where such empty claims are being made, as they are now), and on zero evidence.

(I bring things to the open and forefront and I do not obfuscate and divert like Falcon9 does). 

That's a false claim which apparently relies too heavily upon the 'hope' that no one has read these threads in their entirety and only the most recent posts, (where such empty claims are being made, as they are now), and on zero evidence.

My arguments have been strong and logical ...

Where?  All you've posted thusfar have been weak and illogical arguments.

and they do no rely upon emotion or hearsay as does those of Falcon9. 

On the contrary, such "arguments" as "Aprupt" has abruptly put forth have consisted almost entirely of hearsay, basing conclusions upon false premises and emotional trolling, (such as "they do no rely upon emotion or hearsay as does those of Falcon9")

The only reason my endless debate continues with Falcon9 is because he cannot admit defeat and also I will not allow him to harass and try to bully others (I have ever been drawn to challenge bullies). 

Turn away from your mirror while typing your specious justifications for trolling and face the computer screen, 'bully-liar'.

[Abrupt]

It appears to me from reading his posts, that he is rather knowledgeable and well-read on the subject of religion(s), - as well as other subjects - and I fail to see how someone who has a "hatred of all things biblical" would educate themselves on religion -(the bible). 

It might appear that way to someone who was unfamiliar with the religions and other subjects, but for those of us with a bit of education we can easily see that his posits are remedial (at best) and absurd most often.  He is rather like that Clark character in 'Good Will Hunting', except that in his case he seems to have even less of a petulant understanding than Clark possessed.  Such style of argument by prestigious jargon tends to only fool those that have more pride in their intellect and reason than they actually possess in intellect and reason.

So let me see if I understand this correctly........(although I'm apparently incapable of doing so)
According to your post, I am:
*Unfamiliar with the religions (no argument there) and OTHER SUBJECTS (and from the tone of your post, I can only assume that means ANY and ALL subjects)
*Lacking ANY education whatsoever, and
*I have more "pride in my intellect and reason than I possess in intellect and reason"

This (personal) attack against me was totally uncalled for, and not very nice.
NEVER have I claimed to be knowledgeable about ANY religion;  And you don't know what other subjects I may or may not be familiar with, nor do you know a d**n thing about how educated or uneducated I am.

Pride in my intellect and reason (both of which I am short on)?  Again, you don't have anything to base your opinion on - you don't know anything about me, my pride, or my "intellect and reason".

And you managed to get all your "snidely" comments about me posted, while you avoided responding to the simple but true point I made.....
why would ANY person educate themselves on a subject if they have such a hatred for it? It doesn't make any sense. 

Granted my tone does read more harshly upon you than I had intended it to, it is just I feel a great deal of disappointment in people that let themselves be bufalloed, especially by someone as unfit for that as Falcon9 is.  This was not a personal attack against you, and my apologies if you took it that way.  You seem to see venom in my post that was never intended (albeit I admit it could be construed as such in places -- depending upon how you view it).

"unfamiliar with the religions and other subjects" doesn't imply in totality, only as much as the particulars being argued as I found the points of Falcon9 in these areas rather slight and pedantic.  He made such grievous errors as to expose his ineptitude and it would be conceited for me to think such things were only obvious to me and so I reasoned that if someone didn't catch on that they were 'unfamiliar' with the subject or modern debate regarding it.  The tactic of using the fallacy of arguing by prestigious jargon is typically only used against the type I indicated as one is intentionally playing upon the others vanity.  Since it was you that stated you found Falcon9 to be "rather knowledgeable and well-read" I could only reason that you were advocating some level of brilliance towards him.  Since I know such considerations are unwarranted I figured you to fall into the "more pride in their intellect and reason.." or buffaloed camp.  Once again my apologies if it seemed like a personal attack upon you but you are here, within this thread, giving praise and appreciation to someone I know to be quite dishonest and foolish.

I don't know what you mean with "..how someone who has a "hatred of all things biblical" would educate themselves on religion -(the bible)".  The questions seemed to be missing something of a point with it or a reason for it as I don't understand the contention begged within it.  Falcon9 isn't educated on religion at all and I see no evidence that he has any appreciable understanding of it other than what could be read on some so called atheists blog.  Don't let him fool you in this internet age --with his extensive use of quote mining you should have a general understanding and a basic profile for him and just how two dimensional he actually is.

[falcon9]

I found the points of Falcon9 in these areas rather slight and pedantic.

Yet, this is merely your empty and inherently biased opinion, sans a factual basis. 

He made such grievous errors as to expose his ineptitude ...

No evidence of this claim exists except in the 'mind' of a religious adherent blinded by faith.

The tactic of using the fallacy of arguing by prestigious jargon is typically only used against the type I indicated as one is intentionally playing upon the others vanity.  Since it was you that stated you found Falcon9 to be "rather knowledgeable and well-read" I could only reason that you were advocating some level of brilliance towards him.  Since I know such considerations are unwarranted ...

No, you don't "know" that they are "unwarranted"; you're assuming that, again - without evidence.  I typically write, (and converse offline), in the same manner as I have on these FC forums.  Any "jargon" used is case-specific and the usage means that I'm aware of the meanings of the words I use, (whether or not anyone else is would be their concern, and choice to call what they don't understand "jargon").

Falcon9 isn't educated on religion at all ...

Now your assuming that I wasted my time in collage and life - much as you did, (given your pronounced penchant for projecting your own dubious 'qualities' onto others). 

I see no evidence that he has any appreciable understanding of it other than what could be read on some so called atheists blog.

Then truly your "faith" has blinded you moreso than previously demonstrated by your stumbling around in the dark about this.  I don't read blogs - atheist or otherwise.  The evidence of my understanding of the subject exists in extensive posts, archived here, (and elsewhere).  You troll poorly.
  
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."
-- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758

[Falconer02]

I have done far too many shameful things to posses much trace of pride or ego.

My previous post was being directed at your argumentative stature and not your personal stature, so sorry if I opened a wound. There's no need to get too personal though. I'm just arguing over the lack of common sense in your oddly drawn-out arguments.

I know the real reason that you don't wish to backtrack is because there is nothing there in support of your false claim.  I have actually admitted being wrong here within these forums, something I am sure your beloved Falcon9 could never do (even though I have repeatedly proven his lies for all to see and yet you and him seem to be blind to them).

At this point there's no reason to argue any further if you're expecting me to quote your errors, which I have done so in the past numerous times. You asking me to quote your errors would be 'professional' trolling (to anyone but yourself I'm sure...). I'd rather not argue with someone who refuses to see their basic errors which have already been quoted numerous times in the past.

I was under the assumption that me and you had already established terms of what was provable or not (in fact it was you that set the anchor and I agreed with your position)?  It wasn't even that "atheism is a religion" or "religions faith isn't blind" it was of the unprovable and disagreeable and a reasonable point to take it to that continuation would be futile. The facts favor me and not him and I would again ask you to look back at these so called 'logical fallacies' I have been accused of committing and you will see that they are simply accusations by Falcon9 and not actualities.  I am particular in my methodology and I stick to the truth of what I know and I don't rely on or require fallacious tricks to prove my points (I bring things to the open and forefront and I do not obfuscate and divert like Falcon9 does).  My arguments have been strong and logical and they do no rely upon emotion or hearsay as does those of Falcon9.  The only reason my endless debate continues with Falcon9 is because he cannot admit defeat and also I will not allow him to harass and try to bully others (I have ever been drawn to challenge bullies).  

Concentrating on the original argument (ughghghg), the simple notion you can't get over the fact that atheism is not a religion shows a severe lack of common sense and therefore those arguments were never strong or logical. They were just needlessly drawn out with emphasis on small cherry-picked instances. I'm not a huge fan of Bill Maher but-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A41WZBcmnfc

[falcon9]

I have done far too many shameful things to posses much trace of pride or ego.  I know the real reason that you don't wish to backtrack is because there is nothing there in support of your false claim.  I have actually admitted being wrong here within these forums, something I am sure your beloved Falcon9 could never do (even though I have repeatedly proven his lies for all to see and yet you and him seem to be blind to them).

At this point there's no reason to argue any further. You asking me to quote your errors would be 'professional' trolling (to anyone but yourself I'm sure). I'd rather not argue with someone who refuses to see their basic errors which have already been quoted numerous times in the past.

The facts favor me and not him and I would again ask you to look back at these so called 'logical fallacies' I have been accused of committing and you will see that they are simply accusations by Falcon9 and not actualities.  I am particular in my methodology and I stick to the truth of what I know and I don't rely on or require fallacious tricks to prove my points (I bring things to the open and forefront and I do not obfuscate and divert like Falcon9 does).  My arguments have been strong and logical and they do no rely upon emotion or hearsay as does those of Falcon9.  The only reason my endless debate continues with Falcon9 is because he cannot admit defeat and also I will not allow him to harass and try to bully others (I have ever been drawn to challenge bullies).  

Considering you can't get over the fact that atheism is not a religion, it shows a severe lack of common sense and therefore those arguments were never strong or logical. They were just needlessly drawn out with emphasis on small cherry-picked instances. I'm not a huge fan of Bill Maher, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A41WZBcmnfc

"Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position."
-- Bill Maher

[sigmapi1501]

Anyone who has read the bible and then thought "Yep, that all happened" is the object of my envy. I wish I believed a guy died for me.