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Topic: A constitution apart or now? Do you think we follow the constitution today?  (Read 667 times)

lynnc35

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Do you think we are following what our forefathers had in mind when they drew up the constitution or are we changing it to fit our needs? I would like to hear everyones opinion on what they think the state of our country is in today.
George Washington in his farewell letter to America, his final address written in a letter, warned of getting into other countries business and pickig parties amongst us would cause division. He also said that without religion there could be no morality, Did we follow his advice?

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I meant not in my question, but no way to go back and change it. Is the constitution being followed today?

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No, I do not believe we are following the rules of the Constitution now.  Maybe then, but certainly not now. :angry7:

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no it is not being followed  we are losing our rights and changing everything to fit just a few people..in a much smaller way for examp;e my town built a little walking trail for one personthat goes around a creek.another example is the town built a walking trail for three people.  another example we now have a dog park  for 7 people.... yeah i know i got off the subject but it is still not right  these things were a big expense for a town with about 10,000 or less people

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"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
- 10th Amendment to the US Constitution (the last of the "Bill of Rights")

When the Constitution was originally drafted, many prominent statesmen including Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, and Patrick Henry (later known as Anti-Federalists) felt that there needed to be some clause in it that would allow the States to retain some of their authority. They felt that without expressly defining this, the Federal government would start to imply or assume powers that it was not granted to by the States or the people of those states. It was this struggle between the powers of a national government vs. more local sovereignties that prompted the colonies to break from the expansive rule of the British government.

The idea is that the laws governing the people should be held close to the people where they know the people's needs and concerns best, and also allow the people themselves to address their grievances. For example, few people speak face-to-face with their US Senator or even the President of the US, whereas those same people are more likely to come face-to-face with the local Mayor or members of the local legislature. If people have a concern locally, they are more apt to go to, say, a local school-board meeting to discuss the proposed measure, while we tend to "proxy" our voices to national lobbyists and PACs which may not agree completely with our own ideas.

Unfortunately in the modern era (possibly as early as the time during prohibition and the Great Depression), the Federal government has been slowly eroding this protection of the powers reserved to the states mostly by the expansivist interpretation of the "Necessary and Proper clause", the "Commerce clause", and the "Supremacy clause". Thus there are many powers that the Federal government has assumed which limits our liberty and creates a stronger centralized government. Federal gun laws, drug laws, marriage laws, medical insurance, etc. all tend to extend outside the framework of the constitution, expanding the powers of the Federal government and restricting the liberty of the states and people. As a result you have states trying to reassert their authority by creating new laws to make a challenge against these Federal laws on the basis of the 10th Amendment. For example, since many of the Federal gun laws use an expansivist view of the commerce clause, several states have adopted laws that would explicitly state on the firearm that it was "Made in {state of manufacture}" so that all commerce of said firearm within that state would fall outside of interstate commerce and thus nullify the Federal authority over any intrastate transactions. Similar statues have been used in states legalizing the medicinal and / or recreational use of marijuana to prevent raids (or to legally challenge such raids after the fact) from Federal DEA busting legal, intrastate commerce.

But what I see as the most unfortunate aspect of this is that so few of the citizens recognize the states' rights to assume the powers that the constitution has not defined for the federal government. All too often you hear people mention things like the national drinking age, the national speed limit (although this isn't heard as much after that law was revoked in 1995), etc. as though the Federal government holds jurisdiction governing those laws. At most in order to comply with the 10th Amendment, the Federal government may not grant funds to the states that don't comply. It's sad that the citizens of a country founded on freedom and person liberty blind themselves to an expansivist federal government that tends to limit our freedoms.

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Our forefathers are rolling in their graves and we deserve what is happening to us because we lie down and take it instead of resisting as we should. People shouldn't be afraid of their government, their government should be afraid of them.

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We definitely do not follow the constitution.

http://www.usconstitution.net/

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