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This morning we all heard the news about our President banning the muslim countries. What do you think about his decision? Do you know anyone detained at the airport? Feel free to show your thoughts guys.
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Sorry guys did not see that my auto-correct changed the TRUMP to TRP.......No offense pls
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It's only a temporary ban to have the time to assess the situation and make changes where necessary. If you look at other countries, like Germany, who let these people in en masse and the serious trouble they're in now because of it, it's not a bad thing. I don't understand why the liberals are going crazy since Carter did the very same thing when he was President. Didn't hear a peep out of them then!
PS: OBAMA was the one who CHOSE those countries considered as "terrorist" in 2011.
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Re Carter and the Iran ban:
......Carter acted against Iranian nationals, not an entire religion.
"The difference is that Iranians were citizens of, and owed allegiance to, a country that was acting against the United States," said Kermit Roosevelt, a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania. "The class of ‘all Muslims’ has no similar connection to ISIS or terrorists. That makes the analogy seriously flawed."
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With all due respect, I do not think that Donald Trump is, was and ever will be anything BUT a BUSINESSMAN.
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Good move President Trump........
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Re Carter and the Iran ban:
......Carter acted against Iranian nationals, not an entire religion.
"The difference is that Iranians were citizens of, and owed allegiance to, a country that was acting against the United States," said Kermit Roosevelt, a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania. "The class of ‘all Muslims’ has no similar connection to ISIS or terrorists. That makes the analogy seriously flawed."
But it isn't a Muslim ban. The countries (not just Muslims) banned have either supported or harbored terrorists. Obama banned Iraqis back in 2011. Temporary bans are not uncommon.
We've been attacking these countries with drones for the past decade, creating this instability and refugee crisis, but now is when people get upset?
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I'm really on the fence for this. While I know bans are not uncommon this comes from a seriously hated president so all his acts whether for the good of Americans or not will be seen as a justification for furthering his dislike. I know it only takes 1 terrorist to kill hundreds if not thousands of people and the problem is figuring out which 1 is amongst all the Muslims/foreigners from terrorist filled countries who come to this country or visit and return that are not. It's a hard call because it is clear Trump does not want another 9/11 but on the other hand one can't assume everyone is a terrorist because of their religion or national origin or national ties. I refuse to believe prejudice paranoia should rule America. So while I think we shouldn't just assume everyone is a terrorist and ban them from entry, I really don't want another 9/11 or suicide bomber killing fellow countrymen. The only thing I can say is it's only temporary and I doubt it will go all four years of his term.
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Sad to say I am one of the people who really did think 9-11 was the end of the world I know and love ... and still I worry my self sick that day every year. And i'm happy this is happening... have the right papers and prove your not on your way here to blow things up or stay home. These people have no love of life and will use any one even children to make a point. I have a very good friend who works in a EMOR in AZ.. and not the same thing, but just saying. She told me about the drug lords who pack kids bellies with balloons filled with drugs to get them in to the USA ... and one little boy died of a heart attack because a balloon broke in his belly. Point being people are nuts when they are on a mission to do something .. and will use what ever means needed. The NEWS people stir people up for ratings... but i really don't care how the people at the airport feel... We in Minnesota just watched 8 guys get sent to prison because they were planning a attack and where tied to ISIS ... it happened right in my back yard so to say ... I'm happy the USA is going to be the watch dog on this and I'm all for it.
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Nothing that President Trump does, or will do, will surprise me unless it makes sense, looks to be well thought out or shows empathy. Going a day without saying something abrasive will be an extreme accomplishment for him. The election choices were slim so the American public cannot be held completely to blame for the electoral choice (not popular). The president is doing what he said he would do is certainly worthy of respect for carrying out his plan. Building fences and alienating vast portion of the world were spelled out in his campaign. I was unaware of the attack on sanctuary cities but dig right in. War against legalized marijuana may be good because the illegal, untaxed market has become so profitable and current, legalized states are not applying the taxes to areas that were promised funding.
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All I'm going to say at this point is that Trump seems to be doing a very good job alienating many countries, nationalities, and religions. Let's see...Mexico and much of the Latin world, China, and now the Muslims. Loose cannon!
And who is not to blame for his election but those who voted for him? People could have voted for the Democratic opponent, the Progressive or Green candidate, wrote in a name, or stayed home!
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Nobody wants to acknowledge Obama's role in this?
Obama signed the "Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015" restricting visas from states of concern. Obama and his advisors picked the 7 countries. Trump references this law in EO, and expands on its provisions. He did not select these countries.
The real question, is why the outrage now, and not when Obama signed the original policy into law? Where were the cries that Obama was a loose cannon?
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It is not a Muslim ban. There are athiests and Coptic Catholics there too.
It is only areas with a very large terrorist population, and it is only temporary....it is time to set up an immigrant vetting that will be used for every immigrant.
Thousands and thousands have been sent in by the previous administration, with no concern for Americans' safety who was let in.
Muslims will once again be allowed in when they pass the background-check, as will every other religion.
American citizen safety has to come first. We all want our families safe.
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With all due respect, I do not think that Donald Trump is, was and ever will be anything BUT a BUSINESSMAN.
Especially since the ban did not include people from places with which he has business ties to (Egypt, for example)....
He's definitely a poor choice for the leader of the free world, to put it very mildly. I've been in emotional shambles since his inauguration. He wants to gut the Endangered Species Act. He wants to build a wall around Mexico with taxpayers' money. He wants to defund Planned Parenthood, even though less than 5% of their proceeds go to abortion, and, so far as I understand it, federal money can only be used for abortion in cases of rape or when it's necessary for the survival of the mother---so he's basically trying to control where donations go to??? I wouldn't be surprised if this guy turned out to be the antichrist. I thought the antichrist would be more attractive and charming, but...
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The 7 countries that were picked, were the top potential terror threats of the Obama administration & agreed to by Congress. That administration should have started stricter vetting processes then.
There are over 40 "Muslim" countries... all but 7 are welcome to come currently.
Turkey will never be banned because we have an agreement to use their air fields for our military.
How many refugees is Saudi Arabia taking in? Zero
How many refugees is Australia taking in? Zero
Just saying..... the sky isn't falling.
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I am usually not one to judge, but with ISIS on the rise, I would not take any chances. The one that really irks me, however, is how so many people want to come to the United States to live the supposed "American dream". Why they cannot try and emigrate to England or some other developed country is beyond me. Besides, I am starting to get frustrated with how the United States is supposed to be the global savior to everyone else's problems. Figure it out, people!
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I was for the ban. It was intended to be intended as a 4 month temporary ban. That hardly seems irrational. Trumps job is to protect this country. Last I heard Congress put a stop to the ban. Although this was among casual conversation. I hadn't followed anything.
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Sharia law .... is the most intrusive and restrictive, especially against women,that i have ever read about and all the protesters need to read the rules of this Law. Here is my take on that Law, you people who live by that law need to stay away from me and my friends. END OF STORY ! and to any one who has not looked it up... you really need to ! It will make you sick.
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With all due respect, I do not think that Donald Trump is, was and ever will be anything BUT a BUSINESSMAN.
Especially since the ban did not include people from places with which he has business ties to (Egypt, for example)....
The EO cited US Code that was passed by Obama. The Obama Administration picked those countries. Has nothing to do with Trump's business ties.
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Everyone forgets about the recent attacks on this country
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wow I did not even hear of this news.
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I think what President Trump is doing just makes common sense. I support it.
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Only if the ban keeps the :bad: apples out of the U.S.
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Sharia law .... is the most intrusive and restrictive, especially against women,that i have ever read about and all the protesters need to read the rules of this Law. Here is my take on that Law, you people who live by that law need to stay away from me and my friends. END OF STORY ! and to any one who has not looked it up... you really need to ! It will make you sick.
Sharia Law is despicable. So many "offences" are punishable by law (you get stoned or shot to death for marrying a non-Muslim or for being gay? Outrageous!) and a woman who is raped must have testimony from FOUR MALE witnesses, which pretty much means she will never get justice for the atrocious crime committed against her. I don't agree with Sharia law at all, but an interesting fact is that, while something like 80%-90% of people in Middle Eastern countries support it, Muslims elsewhere are more split down the middle. I think it's a good idea to change the minds of these people, though, instead of just barring them from us and letting them continue this in their countries.
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President Trump is trying to get a handle on all of the refugees and illegals that have come into this country. so many and a lot of them or even most of them have not been vetted. We are supporting so many of them that our country could go broke just doing that. Obama had been taking money out of social security to support them let alone all of the welfare and macidaid. something has to give. And it is not going to be the Americans. We can not have those from other countries telling us we have to change to their laws.
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I think trump doesn't care about the American ppl, at all, he's just making good on the promises, he's been ranting on during the election! Now, he has to own up to it to save face! This stupid action alone will block economic growth cuz when ppl are afraid, even if they're not on the ban list, they'll stop coming to America, there goes spending, there goes the economy Obama worked so hard to bring back! As for the ban list, why isn't Saudi Arabia on it, hello ppl, they were responsible for the deaths on 9/11!! Saudi Arabia should be on the top of that list but Trump wants to be buddy, buddy with them just like the bromance he desperately wants w/the Russians! President Obama left the White House with unemployment down to 4% & many goals he worked so hard to accomplish with a do nothing republican congress! The last president b4 Obama left him with *bleep* to clean up, only to have trump come in to crap all over the place again like what the last republican did! I've a bad feeling trump will bring us into a horrific world war! I'm really scared for our country with the devil in the white house!
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I think trump doesn't care about the American ppl, at all, he's just making good on the promises, he's been ranting on during the election! Now, he has to own up to it to save face! This stupid action alone will block economic growth cuz when ppl are afraid, even if they're not on the ban list, they'll stop coming to America, there goes spending, there goes the economy Obama worked so hard to bring back! As for the ban list, why isn't Saudi Arabia on it, hello ppl, they were responsible for the deaths on 9/11!! Saudi Arabia should be on the top of that list but Trump wants to be buddy, buddy with them just like the bromance he desperately wants w/the Russians! President Obama left the White House with unemployment down to 4% & many goals he worked so hard to accomplish with a do nothing republican congress! The last president b4 Obama left him with *bleep* to clean up, only to have trump come in to crap all over the place again like what the last republican did! I've a bad feeling trump will bring us into a horrific world war! I'm really scared for our country with the devil in the white house!
Refugee's aren't American people. He wants to protect the American people. The latest poll of likely voters had 57% approving of the temporary ban with 34% opposed and 11% undecided. The majority of this country is in favor of it.
Ask Obama why Saudi Arabia wasn't on the list. It was his list from 2015 which he signed into law.
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It's disappointing that we've gotten so backwards and Trump just exposed the racism that is still in America.
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While I get doing it to keep the "bad people" out, it still feels this was not properly thought out and actually created more chaos. Especially for those who have legal visas and green cards, who have been in the country for years, and had to be outside of the country for a while AND have a job to go back to.
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Not a ban a temporary pause.
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I just hope everything turns out for the best. :)
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I have no comment on this because I don't know all the details and why it was.
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he is trying to protect our country.
every country has its good people and bad people.
there are times when limits and boundaries need to be set.
each country has its unique value.
instead of overpopulating one country, [i.e. USA], there should be educators sent to other countries to teach them how to be self sustaining.
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Everyone forgets about the attacks on our soil
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i think its all crazy,,including trump,,,,,,
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I think it is for the best. The open door policy for this country has gone too far. Other countries don't just open their doors to everyone and some of the countries who have let in a lot of refugee's have had unbelievable issues and problems.
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I think we really need to ban certain countries who have been proved to be prone toward terrorism and seriously vet anyone coming into our country for the time being.
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I personally don't care.
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I feel happy, let US sort out w/e we need before letting them back in.
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I can see where he is coming from. We have had so many terrist attacks in the the USA by these people. Wish they would have checked them out before they came here. Look at 911. It was the terrist then. They lived here and trained here to fly those planes. A few months ago we had an american turn muslin shoot up several churches and a couple of other business here in our town. It was in the paper here but the national news never picked up on it. They caught him and now he is in jail. I like President Trump. Just pray that God will be with him and our country. :(
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i think what he is doing is right..we need to check people before allowing them in..they check us before allowing us in
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I don't like how fast he made the EO regarding the country ban... I understand that the vetting and screen process of people coming from those countries could do better, but it is screwing up people who are on visa, family visit, etc.
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With all due respect, I do not think that Donald Trump is, was and ever will be anything BUT a BUSINESSMAN.
I agree. I think he's making decisions based on his own personal issues. I'd rather see him focus on putting together a replacement for Obamacare and do great things for our Veterans.
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I don't understand why the hoopla is so bad, My great,great grandparents came over as immigrants on mom's side and i am 8th. generation on her dads side, my dads grandmother came over the same way, now my grandfather was first generation when he arrived, his parents died on the way over and another family adopted him as a baby. Some came through Ellis Island like most of the older generations did. If you want to become a citizen you should be sponsored, vetted, medical check out, learn to speak English and have a job, Not just pop over and get to be one. I have friends who have come into the United States the legal way and it to some of them 3 years before they got their citizenship. And i know they voted for Trump.
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Everyone forgets about the recent attacks on this country
The recent (last 4 years) attacks on this country were all by American or legalized Americans not from recent immigrants.
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I think he will do anything good or bad to go down in history as the president that did...
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I often why is it that Obama is blamed for everything even for a toothache. The Buffoon Trump is an idiot and moving too fast for someone who hasn't been in Office for a month.
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I think it was implamanted all wrong.
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Nothing he does or will do will ever surprise me. He makes very poor choices very often. I'm not sure if the ban was good or bad, but it was overturned.
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I often why is it that Obama is blamed for everything even for a toothache. The Buffoon Trump is an idiot and moving too fast for someone who hasn't been in Office for a month.
For the same reasons Obama blamed everything on Bush? Politics is a bunch of finger pointing by everyone involved.
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It needs to happen. There are too many screwballs in those countries that openly hate us. Can't let them flood into the country without being properly vetted. It would be insanity to do so.
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Hope it sticks
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The man is crazy, but I don't know of anyone. Those of you think it is ok and blame Pres. Obama this never happen like this. What about the country he have business in?
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Why are so many people oblivious to the FACT that the countries cited in the so-called "ban" are ones the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION identified as problem nations? Trump didn't walk into the oval office, pull out a map and throw darts at it to make his decision, he went on intelligence and facts put together by the President before him. Well, by his administration, but you get the meaning.
But where were all these protestors and vitriol throwers when Obama made a similar move a few years ago? Oh, wait, he belonged to their political party, so it was okay.
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I thought it was 7 countries! What I don't understand is why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list of this band! Saudi Arabian terrorist was the ones who made 9/11 a horrible reality to the United States of America! Today, Under trump being chummy, buddies with Saudi Arabia is like a really painful slap in the face to the many,many,many(to infinity) Americans who lost their lives on 9/11! RIP America 9/11!
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This morning we all heard the news about our President banning the muslim countries. What do you think about his decision? Do you know anyone detained at the airport? Feel free to show your thoughts guys.
Hello! :) :D
I personally think it is wrong to ban any country. :bs: Since I myself am an emigrant it is personal. For instance my boyfriend went to our birth country Haiti he is afraid he won't be able to come back. Trump is proven to be the worst president yet, he just got elected and already he is doing bad. This is not what America is about, USA is all about freedom and the pursue of happiness. When Trump say he is going to make America good again I think he is confused he is only going to do the lather. :angry7: :BangHead: :bs:
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It's 7 dumbo and should be more, yeah lets let people have unlimited kids in other countries and send them all to the US so we can take care of them and the ones who can't come hate us and want to kill us, idiots. Oh my they have to wait a couple hours to be vetted at an American airport, you probably spent more time waiting in line at Disney World in the heat. For all those who want open borders, why don't you open all the doors to your house, take down your fences, turn off your alarms and see how that works out for you, yeah thought so, but you want no borders to our free country where your tax dollars pay to support these illegals but yet you complain about not having enough money hmmmmm SYFM figure it out 8)
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I'm ok with ban. Especially in countries where there's a high level of terrorism. Should have some kind of stricter vetting process.