Gods merciful provision

[Donnamarg323]

With alll the evil and wickedness in the world many of us have asked this question,Why doesnt God get rid of the devil?

You wont find the answer to this question in any other religeon except JW.org.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201012/god-get-rid-of-devil/

[Donnamarg323]

Sharper then any 2 edged sword,the apostle Paul used those words to describe bible truths at Heb:4:12

It shows how EVERYone of us feels about bible truth.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1960440

[Donnamarg323]

There was a terrible fire in NYC earlier in a high rise that left many dead and injured.Many being children.

Before i knew anything about the bible over 50 yrs ago, when terrible things happened i always asked if a God of love exists why does he permit this?

I was brought up a Catholic and found NO answers from that.When i started getting involved with Jehovahs people and publications they broke it down using the bible that i knew was the truth.

If you are also 1 that has asked that question i asked over 50 yrs ago,it is with pleasure i leave you the truth here.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-study/why-does-god-allow-suffering/

[UGetPaid]

I was brought up a Catholic and found NO answers from that.

You just didn't stick around long enough! 


https://www.amazon.com/Promise-Gods-Purpose-Plan-Hurts/dp/0061353426

[Donnamarg323]

I was brought up a Catholic and found NO answers from that.

You just didn't stick around long enough! 


https://www.amazon.com/Promise-Gods-Purpose-Plan-Hurts/dp/0061353426

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20030801/received-free-give-free/

[Donnamarg323]

I was brought up a Catholic and found NO answers from that.

You just didn't stick around long enough! 


https://www.amazon.com/Promise-Gods-Purpose-Plan-Hurts/dp/0061353426

I cost myself enjoying a lot of ham sandwiches on Friday when i was a Catholic.

When you know the truth it sets you free said Jesus.

[Donnamarg323]

I was brought up a Catholic and found NO answers from that.

You just didn't stick around long enough! 


https://www.amazon.com/Promise-Gods-Purpose-Plan-Hurts/dp/0061353426

So what is exactly YOUR gods plan?It seemed to me when i was a catholic 60 yrs ago when we died we went to heaven/hell/purgatory/Limbo.

The doctrines must have changed im assuming.LOL!!!I know what YOUR gods plan is but id like to give you the floor and have you tell us.

[UGetPaid]

If you are allowed to, I would encourage you to read the book. I don't have the ability or eloquence to explain it in a limited amount of space in an Internet forum. But it gives a better perspective of the Catholic understanding on the issue than what you apparently were [not] taught however many years ago.

[Donnamarg323]

If you are allowed to, I would encourage you to read the book. I don't have the ability or eloquence to explain it in a limited amount of space in an Internet forum. But it gives a better perspective of the Catholic understanding on the issue than what you apparently were [not] taught however many years ago.

I would rather suck an egg.

[UGetPaid]

This is a 100% honest and sincere question. Not an attack, not an accusation, not a hostility. The question I have is why are you unwilling or not permitted to read other church's writings and teachings on these sorts of questions? You say that the Catholic church has no teaching or grasp of certain topics in your experience. I tell you that you are mistaken and give you references (similar to the way that you give jw.org references). But then you make remarks that show you aren't willing to read what I link to. Why should I or anyone else be willing to read your church's material if you aren't willing to do the same? Tit for tat...


I don't always understand the logic, but I do try to read all/most/some of what you link to as your authority. Admittedly, I don't always have the time to read everything in its entirety. Please don't hold that against me - but I do at least try when I can. Why am I unable to get the same courtesy from you?



Please understand that it is not intended as an attack, but I will admit that it is perhaps a criticism - but ultimately is really just a question. I don't profess to have all the answers or the ability to explain to the nth degree everything that is true and real about the Catholic faith. But you (and all JWs for that matter) have such a strong aversion to hearing or reading anything that is not published by the JW.org. Why is that? That is an honest question. Why are you unable or unwilling to read opposing viewpoints? Are you afraid that you might find some truth there that actually challenges your beliefs?    I enjoy reading opposing viewpoints and they quite honestly increase and strengthen my faith and belief in the Catholic teachings. Wouldn't you think that the same practice would have the same effect on your own beliefs - assuming that they are true?


I hope to avoid any spite or argument or snarkiness. It is just an observation and you may feel free to correct me if I am wrong or mischaracterizing. But seriously, what have you got to lose by reading https://www.amazon.com/Promise-Gods-Purpose-Plan-Hurts/dp/0061353426 ?

[Donnamarg323]

This is a 100% honest and sincere question. Not an attack, not an accusation, not a hostility. The question I have is why are you unwilling or not permitted to read other church's writings and teachings on these sorts of questions? You say that the Catholic church has no teaching or grasp of certain topics in your experience. I tell you that you are mistaken and give you references (similar to the way that you give jw.org references). But then you make remarks that show you aren't willing to read what I link to. Why should I or anyone else be willing to read your church's material if you aren't willing to do the same? Tit for tat...


I don't always understand the logic, but I do try to read all/most/some of what you link to as your authority. Admittedly, I don't always have the time to read everything in its entirety. Please don't hold that against me - but I do at least try when I can. Why am I unable to get the same courtesy from you?



Please understand that it is not intended as an attack, but I will admit that it is perhaps a criticism - but ultimately is really just a question. I don't profess to have all the answers or the ability to explain to the nth degree everything that is true and real about the Catholic faith. But you (and all JWs for that matter) have such a strong aversion to hearing or reading anything that is not published by the JW.org. Why is that? That is an honest question. Why are you unable or unwilling to read opposing viewpoints? Are you afraid that you might find some truth there that actually challenges your beliefs?    I enjoy reading opposing viewpoints and they quite honestly increase and strengthen my faith and belief in the Catholic teachings. Wouldn't you think that the same practice would have the same effect on your own beliefs - assuming that they are true?


I hope to avoid any spite or argument or snarkiness. It is just an observation and you may feel free to correct me if I am wrong or mischaracterizing. But seriously, what have you got to lose by reading https://www.amazon.com/Promise-Gods-Purpose-Plan-Hurts/dp/0061353426 ?

I will gladly answer you with this link.You seem to have a problem when i resort when JW.org answers using the bible.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no4-2016-july/compare-christian-beliefs-with-bible/

[Donnamarg323]

Your religeon supports doctrines NOT in the bible.You know what they are but i will remind you of some.

Trinity,hell,Xmas and other holidays,man having immortal soul,blood issues.

The Catholics arent the only religeon that have killed each other.Jesus said his true followers would have love among themselves.Too bad you never experienced being at a JW meeting,convention etc.

I see how  blind many are just on Facebook wishing their loved ones happy birthday in heaven.The  bible is clear what happens at death at Eccl 9:5 and backed up further when God tells Adam at death he will go back to dust or that Lazarus never spoke of heaven or hell after Jesus resurrected him.

Sorry you support Satans world obviously with your politics.Plain as day what Jesus said about this world.So many blinded by nationalism being their god.

Think about this too.I dont know what population of earth was in Noahs day.As you know God told him to preach what he was gonnaa do cos the world was so wicked.ONLY 8 survived.

Its the same today.Jesus said the road would be broad and spacious to destruction and few finding life.He likened our time to Noahs day.

JWs are in 240 lands teaching the truth about Gods kingdom for over 100 yrs FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

If you cant figure out God is behind that im sorry you dont for whatever reasons you dont believe it.

I just heard tonight advice RE their Bethel headquarters they are just about 100% with everyone there being vaccinated and the support of masks,social distancing,cleanliness etc.Im glad to hear that.

Jesus said the world would hate you on account of me.You see it NOW in Russia.I toldyou in Revelation what will happen in the soon.

Why do you think there are many accounts where Jehovah saves his people in the bible?Your religeons and others dont emphasis that.You think he he wont do the same NOW??

GET OUT of Babylon the Great warns the bible.....if you dont wanna share in her sins.Oh the world will turn on Gods people after they get rid of Christendom figuring God isnt interested in protecting them.

It will be like touching his eyeball says the bible.

[UGetPaid]

I don't have the time or energy to respond to all of your points. I am not conceding your points, I just have to go to work. But let me just say that you are incorrect in your first two lines.


Your church has misinterpreted and/or cherry picked parts of the bible out of context to fit your agenda and refuses to acknowledge that there are other authorities as to Christian teaching than just the bible. I am not going to go point by point on them, because past history and your JW instructions will not allow you to engage in that kind of debate. And I also admit that I am not qualified to engage in that kind of theological discussion at that level. I am not a biblical scholar and I am not a Catholic apologist, but I have pointed out to you in the past several instances of the trinity in the bible. You refuse to accept my interpretation of them so it is pointless for me to keep pounding my head against your same brick wall.


Christmas IS a thing. It is very possible that it was not on December 25 - I will readily admit that, but there are also reasonable arguments that it might have been. There are also considerable objective arguments that it did NOT originate as a pagan holiday, but I know that you would refuse to watch the videos or listen to the podcasts that discuss those issues in a rational, point by point, objective fashion. So I am not going to bother trying to make that argument to you. I'd be more than happy to give you those links - but it would do no good. Your unwillingness to even consider my arguments defeats the purpose of even arguing them. I feel like a police office who pulls over a sovereign citizen and asks to see their license and registration. (If you've not seen those videos on YouTube, they can be both entertaining and frustrating to watch).


Get ready for this one because I know I am going to upset you and give you fuel to attack me with this one, but I am going to say it anyway. Not everything that is true about the world and about our faith is documented in full and complete and precise form in the bible with footnotes and references and a note from your doctor. COVID and cancer are not documented in the bible, but they do exist. Automobiles, computers, and baseball are not written about in the bible, but they do exist. Dinosaurs are not in the bible and were not on the Ark, but they did exist. I know you are going to take those statements and turn them into another example of how I don't believe in the bible or accuse me of some other abomination against the bible. I can't stop you from doing that - so go ahead and have at it. You already believe me to be an infidel when it comes to the bible, so I don't have anything to lose by saying these things as well.


I may not be doing the best job of explaining my point either and that is on me. There is truth that exists outside of the pages of the bible. There is also truth to be found in Catholic tradition. The bible didn't even exist in its present form until years/centuries after Jesus walked the earth. What was the documentation of truth during those times? Much of the bible exists due to word of mouth and tradition. Your standard response of "This or that isn't in the bible" (where in many cases it IS there, but you have twisted it to fit your agenda) doesn't even consider that there are other sources of truth.                 I know that I have just given you a nugget to attack me with from now until the day they shut the lights off at Fusion Cash - so you're welcome!


But until you are willing to read, watch, or listen to the sources I provide that back up some of my points, then we are never going to get past your tendency to fall back into the same mantra of what you're programmed to type out: "Trinity,hell,Xmas and other holidays,man having immortal soul,blood issues." when none of that addresses the question at hand. 


Why won't JW allow you to consider my source materials? If they are truly so blasphemous, then you reading them should only serve to bolster your own beliefs and faith system.


The bottom line is that I am willing to read your sources, even if I don't understand them or don't buy the twisted logic they use to say what they are saying. I still am willing to read them to see if I can find something to grasp onto. You are unwilling (or to be more precise you are not allowed) to read my sources. That alone prevents us from debating any topics on an even playing field.


I read you most recently posted link in response to my last question. It in no way responsively answers my question.

[Donnamarg323]

You are so farrrrrrrrrrrrr off base i would be writing forever to correct you.I am just gonna give you 1 BIGGGGGGGGGG example how blind you are.

Moses wrote the first 5 books of the bible 1000s of yrs before Jesus walked the earth.Jesus even quoted MANY Xs from the Old Testament.

I sent you a link that explained who God was,wno Jesus is,what Gods kingdom is,what the holy spirit is etc.

The JWs  use the bible as Their authority in their teachings.

If you cant discern that Jesus ISNT God by NOT accepting Jehovah resurrected him you are blind!!!And there are other scriptures that promote that as well.I dont feel like typing all day.The KJV is one of the most distinguished bibles and there in Psalms 83:18 it says Jehovah is God!!!

Thanx...i will do my best to avoid bringing up the bible with you.......unless you convince me you humbly wanna learn the truth.

[UGetPaid]

Thanx...i will do my best to avoid bringing up the bible with you.......unless you convince me you humbly wanna learn the truth.

Look in the mirror.  "Likewise to you."