12 Days of Christmas

[Donnamarg323]

We meant also to ask you.You asked about 1914 in the bible.We sent you the link.You had no comment that told me you didnt read it or agree.NO problem.Lemme turn it around now.

Where is trinity in the bible?Im sure you have seen many of the JW.org links re it we have put up.

Now its your turn to show us.

Among others...


1 John 5:7 - For there are Three who give testimony in heaven: the Father, the Word [Jesus/Son], and the Holy Spirit. And these Three are One.

Matthew 28:19-20 - Therefore, go forth and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have ever commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, even to the consummation of the age.

Acts 20:28 - Take care of yourselves and of the entire flock, over which the Holy Spirit has stationed you as Bishops to rule the Church of God, which he has purchased by his own blood.


As for the 1914 reference, yes I did read your jw.org explanation, but I did not find it tremendously convincing since it makes generalized assumptions as to very specific dates (much like the numerous predictions by various religions of the exact date and hour of the armageddon - all of which came and went without incident). Rather than get into a debate over it, which I know you are steadfast in your position and can respect that - I decided to not press the issue.

I wanna clear something up RE 1914 and 1975 with U.1914 was date of Gods kingdom ruling in heaven,Satan and his angels thrown out of heaven to earth with great anger.Beginnings of pangs of distress to follow.Who can say that diddnt happen by worldly conditions then from what Jesus said in Math 25?

Apostates and others have come forth in every sect.Remember Judas?The bible is clear NO one knew Gods timetable of this system ending.Only he knew said Jesus.Another good reason why trinity is rubbish.They are one in wisdom,love justice........but NOT God.Jehovah always was.Alpha Omega.Jesus was born twice and died.Mortal.He is not God.He is Gods begotten son.....directly created by Jehovah...firstborn of creation scripture reads in Colosians......and Gods masterworker of everything else.Let US create man in Gods image.Us in plural.There were two of them there.Before Jehovah created Jesus he was alone.Complete in himself.Alpha and omega.No beginning or ending refers to Jehovah NOT Jesus.https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101979249

And there is nothing biblical about 1975.Man didnt and still doesnt know Gods ending of Satanic rule on earth.

[Drutts0643]

We meant also to ask you.You asked about 1914 in the bible.We sent you the link.You had no comment that told me you didnt read it or agree.NO problem.Lemme turn it around now.

Where is trinity in the bible?Im sure you have seen many of the JW.org links re it we have put up.

Now its your turn to show us.

Among others...


1 John 5:7 - For there are Three who give testimony in heaven: the Father, the Word [Jesus/Son], and the Holy Spirit. And these Three are One.

Matthew 28:19-20 - Therefore, go forth and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have ever commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, even to the consummation of the age.

Acts 20:28 - Take care of yourselves and of the entire flock, over which the Holy Spirit has stationed you as Bishops to rule the Church of God, which he has purchased by his own blood.


As for the 1914 reference, yes I did read your jw.org explanation, but I did not find it tremendously convincing since it makes generalized assumptions as to very specific dates (much like the numerous predictions by various religions of the exact date and hour of the armageddon - all of which came and went without incident). Rather than get into a debate over it, which I know you are steadfast in your position and can respect that - I decided to not press the issue.

I wanna clear something up RE 1914 and 1975 with U.1914 was date of Gods kingdom ruling in heaven,Satan and his angels thrown out of heaven to earth with great anger.Beginnings of pangs of distress to follow.Who can say that diddnt happen by worldly conditions then from what Jesus said in Math 25?

Apostates and others have come forth in every sect.Remember Judas?The bible is clear NO one knew Gods timetable of this system ending.Only he knew said Jesus.Another good reason why trinity is rubbish.They are one in wisdom,love justice........but NOT God.Jehovah always was.Alpha Omega.Jesus was born twice and died.Mortal.He is not God.He is Gods begotten son.....directly created by Jehovah...firstborn of creation scripture reads in Colosians......and Gods masterworker of everything else.Let US create man in Gods image.Us in plural.There were two of them there.Before Jehovah created Jesus he was alone.Complete in himself.Alpha and omega.No beginning or ending refers to Jehovah NOT Jesus.https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101979249

And there is nothing biblical about 1975.Man didnt and still doesnt know Gods ending of Satanic rule on earth.

We do know its very close.Jesus said the generation <1914>that saw the pangs of distress begin,some would still be alive when Great Tribulation begins.That begins when Babylon the Great <false religeon>is destroyed by worldly nations and a cry of peace begins......but sudden destruction follows.

“Whenever it is that they are saying: ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them.”​—1 Thess. 5:3.

[UGetPaid]

We thank you for your reply.https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1975209

I have read through your Watchtower explanation link several times over. To be blunt, I do not put a whole lot of stock into its debunking effort.


I don't mean to poke you in the nose, but how is it that your organization's position on many of the controversial aspects is: "That's not in the Bible!" ; "Where is that evidenced in Scripture?" ; "The Bible has no basis for that belief or custom!" But in this particular case, the response is "It's in the Bible but it really shouldn't be..."


If the argument is to accept only the parts (an only the interpretations) of the Bible that bolster one's beliefs and reject the parts that do not, then any scriptural argument is nothing but a house of cards.


(Also, you only responded to one of my trinity scripture references. What about the other two that I cited and the plethora of others that I did not?)   

It seems you all think at death we go to heaven or hell,so going by that i guess the earth is going to be desolated?

There are scriptures that say the  meek and the righteous will reside forver on earth anddd God created it to be inhabited.

JW.org does teach 144000 go to heaven to rule with Jesus and the  greater flock live on earth transformed to paradise as was original purpose with A&E.

Comments?

I won't pretend to know and fully understand what is yet to come after I die. How can I? It has never happened to me before! I believe and have faith/hope that I will enter into eternal salvation. What happens on earth at that point or to the rest of its 7+billion inhabitants at the time, I have no idea! But I again hope that at some point as many of them as possible (certainly many more than 144,000) share in the joy and happiness that I hope to have at that point.

[Donnamarg323]

Questions are answered when we die by the bible.Eccl 9:5 New International Version
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.

That backs up what God told Adam.Back to dust and what Jesus said before he resurrected Lazarus.He was asleep.

Psalms 37:11 speaks of righteous living forever on earth as was Gods original purpose.

Bible says God didnt form the earth for it not to be inhabited.There will ALWAYS be life everlasting on it.

If people died and went to heaven or hell why did Jesus even speak of a resurrection and the graves being emptied?Lazarus spoke of NOOO heavenly bliss or hellfire.He didnt exist.Asleep...non existent.

Lemme read and understand your other post now....Be back later.

[Donnamarg323]

Jesus made it clear who God was.He also said the father is greater then i and i have given you examples of Jesus being born and dying backed up in bible.

I dont mean to poke fun at you,but seriously......debunked???

Show me what sect is fulfilling Math 24:14 and doing it like jesus taught......announcing Gods kingdom worldwide.

This is a command Jesus gave and he said,you learned it free....teach it free.And its being done in over 240 lands worldwide in 1000s of congregations divinely.

I mean seriously,you say you dont know what happenes when we die etc......well im not surprised and yet you say you support bible....LOL!!!

Everything is referenced....

Maybe you better take to heart what Jesus said about a tree that produces good fruit and a tree that produces rotten fruit.And see what sect has love among themselves to prove they are really his followers.

You seem more interested in Trump/impeachment.

Lemme remind you what Jesus told Pilate......my kingdom is no part of this world and the bible says the whole world lies in power of wicked one.

And yet you ask where is this in the bible?LOL!!!!You also need to know what the holy spirit is.https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-the-holy-spirit/

Seriously....thanx for the chat.

This is off the record.We have been compared to a moth being drawn to a flame.I really hope i am wrong,but you will see how some like to use the phrase and need to see it is them.And again i hope im wrong.As months have passed by we have more then proven how unjust it was Hitch got banned for supporting bible and some here are more worthy of that...and maybe someday it will happen.They didnt get their wish and id like to think God intervened on our behalf to support the bible truth and expose the offspring of vipers here.

[dancer139]

I hope when I pass on that I will enter the pearlly gates and not the other.  I hope to see all my relatives that have passed like my parents  first,,,  prayers that we all do

[tantricia44]

What is this?!!!!!

[JediJohnnie]

What is this?!!!!!

It's exhausting is what it is.

I'm seriously thinking of giving FC an ultimatum at this point. They've done nothing in -what has it been- 8 months to remove this cancer? 

[JediJohnnie]

We thank you for your reply.https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1975209

I have read through your Watchtower explanation link several times over. To be blunt, I do not put a whole lot of stock into its debunking effort.


I don't mean to poke you in the nose, but how is it that your organization's position on many of the controversial aspects is: "That's not in the Bible!" ; "Where is that evidenced in Scripture?" ; "The Bible has no basis for that belief or custom!" But in this particular case, the response is "It's in the Bible but it really shouldn't be..."


If the argument is to accept only the parts (an only the interpretations) of the Bible that bolster one's beliefs and reject the parts that do not, then any scriptural argument is nothing but a house of cards.


(Also, you only responded to one of my trinity scripture references. What about the other two that I cited and the plethora of others that I did not?)   

It seems you all think at death we go to heaven or hell,so going by that i guess the earth is going to be desolated?

There are scriptures that say the  meek and the righteous will reside forver on earth anddd God created it to be inhabited.

JW.org does teach 144000 go to heaven to rule with Jesus and the  greater flock live on earth transformed to paradise as was original purpose with A&E.

Comments?

I won't pretend to know and fully understand what is yet to come after I die. How can I? It has never happened to me before! I believe and have faith/hope that I will enter into eternal salvation. What happens on earth at that point or to the rest of its 7+billion inhabitants at the time, I have no idea! But I again hope that at some point as many of them as possible (certainly many more than 144,000) share in the joy and happiness that I hope to have at that point.

This is basically what the Watchtower does. 'Lets dismiss all the times Jesus warns of Hell in the bible, because- we don't like that. Let's ignore all the signs pointing to the Trinity because- we don't want that. Let's stick to an arbitrary date of the end of the world that's over 100 years past it's expiration date, because- we look like fools if we say our founder didn't know what the hell he was talking about.'

It's all stuff and nonsense, regurgitated over and over and over- no matter how many times corrected.   

[JediJohnnie]

We meant also to ask you.You asked about 1914 in the bible.We sent you the link.You had no comment that told me you didnt read it or agree.NO problem.Lemme turn it around now.

Where is trinity in the bible?Im sure you have seen many of the JW.org links re it we have put up.

Now its your turn to show us.

Among others...


1 John 5:7 - For there are Three who give testimony in heaven: the Father, the Word [Jesus/Son], and the Holy Spirit. And these Three are One.

Matthew 28:19-20 - Therefore, go forth and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have ever commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, even to the consummation of the age.

Acts 20:28 - Take care of yourselves and of the entire flock, over which the Holy Spirit has stationed you as Bishops to rule the Church of God, which he has purchased by his own blood.


As for the 1914 reference, yes I did read your jw.org explanation, but I did not find it tremendously convincing since it makes generalized assumptions as to very specific dates (much like the numerous predictions by various religions of the exact date and hour of the armageddon - all of which came and went without incident). Rather than get into a debate over it, which I know you are steadfast in your position and can respect that - I decided to not press the issue.

I wanna clear something up RE 1914 and 1975 with U.1914 was date of Gods kingdom ruling in heaven,Satan and his angels thrown out of heaven to earth with great anger.Beginnings of pangs of distress to follow.Who can say that diddnt happen by worldly conditions then from what Jesus said in Math 25?

Apostates and others have come forth in every sect.Remember Judas?The bible is clear NO one knew Gods timetable of this system ending.Only he knew said Jesus.Another good reason why trinity is rubbish.They are one in wisdom,love justice........but NOT God.Jehovah always was.Alpha Omega.Jesus was born twice and died.Mortal.He is not God.He is Gods begotten son.....directly created by Jehovah...firstborn of creation scripture reads in Colosians......and Gods masterworker of everything else.Let US create man in Gods image.Us in plural.There were two of them there.Before Jehovah created Jesus he was alone.Complete in himself.Alpha and omega.No beginning or ending refers to Jehovah NOT Jesus.https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101979249

And there is nothing biblical about 1975.Man didnt and still doesnt know Gods ending of Satanic rule on earth.

We do know its very close.Jesus said the generation <1914>that saw the pangs of distress begin,some would still be alive when Great Tribulation begins.That begins when Babylon the Great <false religeon>is destroyed by worldly nations and a cry of peace begins......but sudden destruction follows.

“Whenever it is that they are saying: ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them.”​—1 Thess. 5:3.

Luke 17:22-24
 Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them.  For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other.

Again the 1914 date-debunked. The was no "secret coming" of Jesus.

Don't bother digging up yet another Watchtower tract, I already read & debunked that as well. They have no response for this verse.

[JediJohnnie]

I guess thats possible Uget.If people are foolish enuff to think god is a trinity,lets go for it!!

Then lump me in with the fools!   

At least you didnt choke this time. 

We meant also to ask you.You asked about 1914 in the bible.We sent you the link.You had no comment that told me you didnt read it or agree.NO problem.Lemme turn it around now.

Where is trinity in the bible?Im sure you have seen many of the JW.org links re it we have put up.

Now its your turn to show us.

Im sure this will draw JJ in <i wish it wouldnt>......im speaking to u Uget.

If you need proof from the bible the trinity is false or Jesus is God we are happy to show u AGAIN!!

I realize you said you are happy to be locked in with the fools and i apologize if im asking u to leave ur comfort zone.

I used verses actually given me by hitch/Drutts/Donna/EricMyChild/JohnBoy/GomerPyle direct from the Watchtower's tract AGAINST the trinity to point out the existence OF the Trinity! LOL

A favorite of mine off the top of my head is the one I used at Christmas- Isaiah9:6

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

[Donnamarg323]

What is this?!!!!!

It's exhausting is what it is.

I'm seriously thinking of giving FC an ultimatum at this point. They've done nothing in -what has it been- 8 months to remove this cancer?

GEEEEZ you took some time off and still tired uncle Fester?

Ultimatum to FC??

Whats that,report #11635343....LOL!

We would pay to read it!!!LOL!!!