12 Days of Christmas

[Drutts0643]

Herod wasnt even aware of Jesus birth till astrologers got there.Satan used them for that reason.Thats why he sent star to Jerusalem first.

Gods star?LOL!!Yeh he was behind Herods plan to kill Jesus then...LOL!!

Plain as day...just as Satan blinds ALL the religeons he deceived the Magi......otherwise Herod had no clue of Jesus birth.Once he found out,his plan went into effect to kill Jesus.

Frustrated the Magi didnt return,Herod went on his murderous spree that fulfilled a bible scripture.

Jeremiah 31:15
English Standard Version
 15  Thus says the Lord:

j“A voice is heard in kRamah,

lamentation and bitter weeping.

lRachel is weeping for her children;

she refuses to be comforted for her children,

mbecause they are no more.”

[JediJohnnie]

Herod wasnt even aware of Jesus birth till astrologers got there.Satan used them for that reason.Thats why he sent star to Jerusalem first.

Gods star?LOL!!Yeh he was behind Herods plan to kill Jesus then...LOL!!

Plain as day...just as Satan blinds ALL the religeons he deceived the Magi......otherwise Herod had no clue of Jesus birth.Once he found out,his plan went into effect to kill Jesus.

Frustrated the Magi didnt return,Herod went on his murderous spree that fulfilled a bible scripture.

Jeremiah 31:15
English Standard Version
 15  Thus says the Lord:

j“A voice is heard in kRamah,

lamentation and bitter weeping.

lRachel is weeping for her children;

she refuses to be comforted for her children,

mbecause they are no more.”

Unsurprisingly, you're way off base, hitch.

The star didn't appear over Jerusalem. The Magi went there, knowing it was the capitol of the Hebrew Nation, hoping to find some pomp and ceremony regarding Jesus. But as we all know, He was born very low-key in a stable.

  After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem  and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

No mention of the Star appearing over Jerusalem.

And 2nd- The Wise Men DIDN'T go to Herod.They were searching for Jesus and word got out to everybody as evidenced in verse 3-

When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him.

Herod specifically had the Wise Men brought to him for questioning. Verse 7-

Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared.

So once again- you have nothing to support your claim scripturally.

[Drutts0643]

After their meeting with Herod,the star had NO problem moving directly over where JM&J was.It could have done that first.IT Didnt!!Again the work of Satan to have Jesus killed.

Wake up!!!

[Drutts0643]

You went out of your way to try and have us banned....why dont you put us on ignore and think you were successful?

After-all if you were,we wouldnt be having this chat.

We accept the fact that people such as U and CG arent worth going over bible truths directly with you.So just think you won your ban and put us on ignore......it would be the same thing.JWs are worldwide doing what you CANT stop!!Just like you COULDNT stop Hitch here!!!

Do u need the satisfaction of BSing yourself that u need to win a debate?Like i said,worldwide look around!!Russia for now has closed down their preaching.Extremists for supporting Gods word they say.What a joke.Dont you see what this is leading to just as Revelation speaks of.....Babylon the great about to be devoured.Jehovah will act at the right time as he did bringing a flood in Noahs day.

Now do urself a favor and leave us alone....We have more then proven your lies and you guys are instigators and trouble.And by now FC has seen it too im sure.

[JediJohnnie]

After their meeting with Herod,the star had NO problem moving directly over where JM&J was.It could have done that first.IT Didnt!!Again the work of Satan to have Jesus killed.

Wake up!!!

Again, you are trying to make the bible say something it isn't saying. The star didn't 'move'. They went to Jerusalem hoping to find Jesus easily by asking around. When it was obvious no one knew what they were talking about, they continued following the Star.

After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. When they saw the star, they were overjoyed.

This doesn't mean it moved. It means they followed it until they came below it's position in the sky. They were happy to receive some Divine guidance, since earthly means wasn't getting the job done.

Remember also, that the Wise Men were searching everywhere and it was Herod who actually named Bethlehem from scripture as the place the Messiah would be born.

 He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.”

That's why Herod was a necessary component in God's plan. Without his divulging the information, the Magi would be canvassing aimlessly under the star's radius,(which could've been several miles.) hoping to find Jesus before Herod did. 

[Drutts0643]

Maybe the god u serve wanted the astrologers to take a detour.I dont think Jehovah woulda went thru all that trouble if HE really wanted astrologers to visit Jesus.

Maybe it was important to your god for them to visit Jesus.Maybe 1 of them was a drummer and this is where "Little drummer boy"was written.LOL!!!

Maybe 1 of them was a grandma too and "Grandma got run over by a reindeer"was written as well.

[JediJohnnie]

OK wise guy (not to be confused with 'Wise Men' ) I've played defense. Now, how about a little offence?

Why would God allow the Wise Men to follow the Star in the first place? Couldn't He have prevented the whole thing? Why let Satan get away with it?

Also

1) Where is it ever described in scripture that Satan has the power of creation? Re: Isaiah 45

2) Why did the Magi worship Jesus if He was supposedly "not" God incarnate as the Watchtower proclaims. 

3) Why did Mary & Joseph accept the Wise Men's gifts if not to use them?

4) Re: Jesus Resurrection What do you do with John 2:19 "Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

5) If you don't believe Jesus was born as a "poor babe" in the stable, where exactly do you think He was born? What palatial splendor did He live in? Because the Bible I read says "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

I'm sure you'll blather on about the same JW talking points. But by all means, try to answer at least one of the above rationally.

[Drutts0643]

When Satan turned Job into poverty who created the elements <wind fire?Answer please.Hasnt God alllowed S
atan to deceive the world?With good reason?Just look at Christendom.
God never says the magi were wrong in their worship,only to NOT return to Herod.Angel warned them.If this was supposed to be divine dont u think God woulda put star over JM&J first?Satan wanted Herod to know to kill Jesus.How foolish ru implicating God in Herods plot.

I dont disagree with how Jesus was born.Satan wants him portrayed as a babe in a stall cos hes jealous he knows he is "King of kings"Pretty insulting dontcha think the contrast?

For now.

Bible says after Maggi  presented gifts they were told by angel to take another route home.Nothing mentioned what were done with gifts.

[Drutts0643]

OK wise guy (not to be confused with 'Wise Men' ) I've played defense. Now, how about a little offence?

Why would God allow the Wise Men to follow the Star in the first place? Couldn't He have prevented the whole thing? Why let Satan get away with it?

Also

1) Where is it ever described in scripture that Satan has the power of creation? Re: Isaiah 45

2) Why did the Magi worship Jesus if He was supposedly "not" God incarnate as the Watchtower proclaims. 

3) Why did Mary & Joseph accept the Wise Men's gifts if not to use them?

4) Re: Jesus Resurrection What do you do with John 2:19 "Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

5) If you don't believe Jesus was born as a "poor babe" in the stable, where exactly do you think He was born? What palatial splendor did He live in? Because the Bible I read says "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

I'm sure you'll blather on about the same JW talking points. But by all means, try to answer at least one of the above rationally.

RE John 2:19

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1973406

Re Jesus worship
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102000250

What gets overlooked here is how Jehovah feels about astrology.Astrology is demonic influenced.Another reason why Satan is behind that star just as he is involved in false teachings of christendom.

[Drutts0643]

I will not apologize for leaning on JW.org for what i know.That seems to be the difference in us.My heart approves what I learned.Try it someday.

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. —John 17:3.

23  I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.l
24  Correct me, O Jehovah, with judgment,-Jer:10:23-24

Oh and we have been meaning to ask you.....if we are sooooooooo unwise,why do you keep writing a book asking questions?Do you need to get your jollies off refuting us or JW.org?

As we have told u a zillion Xs,you are a bigboy and can look up questions to the site without needing us.And i am sure you have.Do you need to expose how u feel RE JW,org?The majority of the world doesnt care.The bible makes that clear RE the broad and spacious rd and narrow rd to life.

[JediJohnnie]

When Satan turned Job into poverty who created the elements <wind fire?Answer please.Hasnt God alllowed S
atan to deceive the world?With good reason?Just look at Christendom.
God never says the magi were wrong in their worship,only to NOT return to Herod.Angel warned them.If this was supposed to be divine dont u think God woulda put star over JM&J first?Satan wanted Herod to know to kill Jesus.How foolish ru implicating God in Herods plot.

I dont disagree with how Jesus was born.Satan wants him portrayed as a babe in a stall cos hes jealous he knows he is "King of kings"Pretty insulting dontcha think the contrast?

For now.

Bible says after Maggi  presented gifts they were told by angel to take another route home.Nothing mentioned what were done with gifts.

Only God is allowed worship though. Soooooooooo......what does that tell you about Christ?

Jesus dying a criminals death on the cross is also insulting, yet it is the reality of history. Jesus can be depicted in the stable, since it's a biblical fact.

We can infer what the gifts were used for. Thats not a crime.

[JediJohnnie]

I will not apologize for leaning on JW.org for what i know.That seems to be the difference in us.My heart approves what I learned.Try it someday.

The Watchtower teaches heresy, sooooo...that's gonna be a hard pass from me.

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. —John 17:3.

23  I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.l
24  Correct me, O Jehovah, with judgment,-Jer:10:23-24

Oh and we have been meaning to ask you.....if we are sooooooooo unwise,why do you keep writing a book asking questions?Do you need to get your jollies off refuting us or JW.org?

I'm not writing a book....though I AM considering taking this knowledge I've gained about the JW cult from debating you and creating a video on youtube to help others caught in the Watchtower web.

As we have told u a zillion Xs,you are a bigboy and can look up questions to the site without needing us.And i am sure you have.Do you need to expose how u feel RE JW,org?The majority of the world doesnt care.The bible makes that clear RE the broad and spacious rd and narrow rd to life.

You still haven't answered any of my questions without turning to your pre written JW talking points. You're a big boy too, hitch. I'm tryin' to teach you to think for yourself over here!

[JediJohnnie]

OK wise guy (not to be confused with 'Wise Men' ) I've played defense. Now, how about a little offence?

Why would God allow the Wise Men to follow the Star in the first place? Couldn't He have prevented the whole thing? Why let Satan get away with it?

Also

1) Where is it ever described in scripture that Satan has the power of creation? Re: Isaiah 45

2) Why did the Magi worship Jesus if He was supposedly "not" God incarnate as the Watchtower proclaims. 

3) Why did Mary & Joseph accept the Wise Men's gifts if not to use them?

4) Re: Jesus Resurrection What do you do with John 2:19 "Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

5) If you don't believe Jesus was born as a "poor babe" in the stable, where exactly do you think He was born? What palatial splendor did He live in? Because the Bible I read says "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

I'm sure you'll blather on about the same JW talking points. But by all means, try to answer at least one of the above rationally.

RE John 2:19

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1973406

Re Jesus worship
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102000250

What gets overlooked here is how Jehovah feels about astrology.Astrology is demonic influenced.Another reason why Satan is behind that star just as he is involved in false teachings of christendom.

The Magi were ASTRONOMERS not ASTROLOGERS. That's a key difference.

Re:Who raised Jesus,


John 2:19 clearly states that Jesus raised Himself,

 John 2:19 "Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

Two of the verses used in your JW tract only help strengthen the case for Jesus divinity:
Acts 10:40
  but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen.

The Father raised Him

Romans 8:11
And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

And the Holy Spirit raised Him!

The Watchtower has just helped in identifying the Trinity raising Christ! Three as One! Good show, hitch! Thanks for the useful tract!

Re Jesus worship

Once again, your tract is parsing words. We've gone over it a zillion times at this point, but I refer you once again to John 20:28  ( Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”) where Christ accepts Thomas worship, while Peter a man & the Angel of Revelation both refuse worship. (Acts:25-26 & Rev 22:8-9 respectively)

[Drutts0643]

Revelation 22:18, 19 (Revelation 22:18, 19)

Revelation 22:18, 19
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition)
18 “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things,+ God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;+ 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life+ and out of the holy city,+ things that are written about in this scroll.

Better think before you make that U-tube video

Not sure what proof you need to see.The turmoil in christendom worldwide compared to how Jehovah has blessed his organization worldwide with membership.

Even The Watchtower building being bought was a blessing to use the money for ministry.The attendance over 20 million for Passover speaks for itself.

Math 24:14 being fulfilled FOREVER!!NO other sect comes close!!

Just like Pharoah got to know who God is....the nations will know Jehovah is GOD!!

[JediJohnnie]

Revelation 22:18, 19 (Revelation 22:18, 19)

Revelation 22:18, 19
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition)
18 “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things,+ God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;+ 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life+ and out of the holy city,+ things that are written about in this scroll.

Better think before you make that U-tube video

Not sure what proof you need to see.The turmoil in christendom worldwide compared to how Jehovah has blessed his organization worldwide with membership.

Even The Watchtower building being bought was a blessing to use the money for ministry.The attendance over 20 million for Passover speaks for itself.

Math 24:14 being fulfilled FOREVER!!NO other sect comes close!!

Just like Pharoah got to know who God is....the nations will know Jehovah is GOD!!

Did you ever stop to consider the reason why Christendom is in turmoil is because people like Charles Taze Russell have introduced heresy upon heresy to the Christian Church? That reading the bible for all it's worth instead of injecting what YOU want it to say is what God always intended?

God doesn't need a 'sect' or 'organization' or a new group of Pharisees going around telling everyone how inferior they are. They need the pure undiluted word of God. That's something the Watchtower is unable to provide.