Anyone can buy plants yr round and enjoy the beauty of Gods creation in their home without associating it with the pagan belief it has something to do with Jesus BD.
NONE of the traditions of Xmas has anything to do with Jesus BD.If God would have wanted us to know day he was born a man he would have told us in his word as he did Passover.Its simply NOT there.
Again, I'm going to remind you of a passage I told you years ago at this point.
Romans 14:5-6
" In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him."
What do you do with this verse? I sincerely would like to know- though I imagine the Watchtower has long since discarded it from it's teachings.
The Apostle Paul CLEARLY states under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, that those who choose to honor Christ in a special holiday are clearly allowed. It doesn't need to be 'Commanded' in scripture to be a viable holiday to the Lord.
And later in verses 10-13,
"So why do you condemn another believer? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. For the Scriptures say,
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bend to me,
and every tongue will declare allegiance to God.’”
Yes, each of us will give a personal account to God. So let’s stop condemning each other. "
Paul also points out that we must not think any LESS of a brother who observes or does not observe a special holy day. Which means (as I've pointed out to you countless times) you don't NEED to celebrate any Christian holiday, but you also have no right to condemn anyone who does. (Y'know, like you routinely calling us pagans, Babylonians & basically Satan)
You & the Watchtower are in serious error and I hope for your sake you realize this before you need explain yourself to a Higher Authority.
It is you who misses the point.Jehovah says,quit touching what is unclean.If celebrations etc began with false gods,God makes it clear how he feels about it.I will not give my glory to other gods Jehovah says.
Jehovah is the author of the bible.There is ABSOLUTELY nothing commanded to memorialize Jesus BD.Just his death.
It is fine to worship on ANY day of the yr,just do what is acceptable to God.When you mix pagan with truth it is a NONO in his eyes.You cant serve 2 masters says bible.
Again, we already established Christians celebrating Christ birth is not something commanded AGAINST in scripture. The verse quoted expressly states that.
Once again, you do no research as to the traditions of Christmas celebration. No one does anything associated with paganism. But your cult can't accept that, so you violate the verses from Paul in Romans 14 to suit the Watchtower's errant behavior. You will have to answer to God for this hypocritical judgement.
Aaron tried to use worship of Jehovah with false gods.God was displeased with him for doing that.Moses spoke up for him.God listened.But he knowingly knew of his error but still tried to make it look like he was pleasing Jehovah.Aaron gave in to peer pressure like so many do in this world.Fear of man is a snare.
Wrong. The Israelites wanted Aaron to make them gods to lead them out of Egypt. It had absolutely nothing to do with God.
Many Jews answered to a higher authority who you do not even know what his name is.
If you cant discern what is going on in this world,preaching in 240 lands,96000 congrgations,Millions of hrs taught....trust me...you will answer to Jehovah who is the higher authority.
Your 'god' is a fabrication. A distortion of scripture by Charles Taze Russel. And yet you have the nerve to point fingers at the Catholic Church! lol
And then you ask,why do you condemn what we believe?Right before your eyes you know what Jesus said RE false worship.He had NO problem saying they were from their father the devil.
Again taking verses out of context. Jesus was talking to the Pharisees who clearly did not worship him- with 'fake' worship or otherwise.
Rev 4:11 explains why ONLY Jehovah deserves to be served.We dont exist if it were not for him.Plus all the good thngs in llife he gave us....biggest one being watching his son tortured and dying on behalf of us.
The Watchtower's version of Christ is little more than a junior partner in creation. He has no power to save, is not co-equal with God, can't accept worship as a created being- all the opposite from the Christ of the bible.
Even a fool can ask the question,what the hec does Santa,xmas tress,mistletoe originate with Jesus birth?Nothing in bible.Its all manmade and satanic.Pagan.Jehovah doesnt share what Satans rule is.The bible saysSatan blinds many and turns himself into an angel of light.He does it with all these pagan celebrations.And then you ask why?LOL!
This is part of the reason why JW children grow up to be resentful. I know a guy who was raised by JW parents and all their stiff-necked behavior about not celebrating Christmas, birthdays, etc is one of the main reasons he's a hardened atheist now. the JWs actively push normal people away from God. Another thing they'll have to answer for.
There's nothing wrong with Christmas decorations and letting the kids believe in Santa. It teaches faith & rewarding of good behavior. Two things taught in scripture. Kids have it hard enough these days. Let them alone, the few brief years they have to enjoy. But no...the JWs see Satan lurking in everything like a boogyman.
Remember:Matt 18:5-6
“And anyone who welcomes a little child like this on my behalf is welcoming me. But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to have a large millstone tied around your neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea."
Seriously,how can one say they read bible everyday and NOT understand what they are reading?You are wasting your time...go read a jokebook.The heart condition is what matters and yours is in outer space.
All your beliefs are NOWHERES in the bible.You sure you arent reading another book?
How many times must I point out how grievously in error you are about scriptural accuracy? Why do you believe Jesus was sent to the earth? Why did He suffer and die? What on earth was accomplished with all of His suffering, when you DON'T BELIEVE HE IS GOD sent to save us from our sins? He taught well for few years? You understand nothing!
Some good advice for you.Bow your head and humble yourself before Jehovah and ask him to help you understand his word.He will know if you mean it.
The earth stands forever and righteous will dwell in it.God didnt create the earth for nothing.He made it to be inhabited.And yet Satan blinds many RE heaven and hell after death.144000 do go to heaven and rule with Jesus,but the greater crowd will live on earth.
If you cant comprehend any of this,seriously quit wasting your time reading whatever you are reading.
Are the ND born again xtians fulfilling Math 24:14?LOLLLLLLLL!!!Or for that matter the rest of Babylon the Great?
I'm here arguing with you aren't I? I'm not hiding.
The apostle Paul thought he was doing the right thing,killing Xtians.Until Jesus blinded and humbled him.So again dont give me this you can do whatever you want or celebrate whatever you want.There are Gods rulz in the bible.Just like Christendom claims to teach from it but teach manmade/Satanic doctrines.
So you're claiming Paul, who wrote at least 13 of the 27 books of the New Testament didn't know what he was talking about during all his letters saying 'Don't condemn your brother' over things like holy days and meat?
Ill say it again,how does 1 say they read bible everyday and their beliefs are NOT in it?LOL!!
BTW TY for helping us give a good witness.
Should be directed at yourself
Lemme add,there is nothing wrong bowing our heads and thanking God for sending Jesus to earth to eventually die for us.It wasnt his birth,or resurrection that ransomed mankind from Adamic sin.It was his death.
And to those of you that think putting up decorations of a nativity scene.....go read 2nd chapter of Mathew and see what really happened.And Jehovah made Jesus king of kings and Lord of Lords.Do you think they want him to be depicted as a poor babe in a cowstall?
Go read the bible and see how Jesus is suffering on a torture stake and cries out to his father,"why have you forsaken me?"The agony he must have been in.
Its tough to get on everyones case here.Satan has blinded many and many hold fast to their traditions.But there are some that wanna know the truth.Jehovah reads everyones heart and knows the type of person we are.
Yeah, I know you have a tough time accepting it, but Jesus was born in a stable/cave and laid in a manger. Christ suffered the penalty for our sins on a CROSS.
The only one blinded by Satan is you. It's not too late to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, Lester. Say the sinners prayer. I'll help you if you want. Otherwise find someone who actually understands scripture to mentor you before it's too late.
Eternity is only a heartbeat away for all of us.
Ill help you if you want.LOL!!
You yourself have said it.Traditions of men that began with false gods.Jehovah MAKES IT CLEAR to stop touching what is unclean in his eyes.
And again Jesus said to remember his death NOT his birth or resurrection.It was his death that PAID the ransom.
Re Aarons sin
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010369
Not intersted in discussing anything else.Been down that rd too many times with you.
You are brave but very foolish to say the name of Jehovah is a fabrication.You better think about what you said.
I remind you Pharoah said,who is Jehovah?I think you know the end result.
At least JWs children were spared getting molested by priests and NOT taught how to use a gun and kill.
Yeh too bad they could only receive gifts from the heart 364 days of the yr.
Also Re the apostle Paul.He had to find out the hard way he was persecuting Xtians even tho in his mind he thought he was pleasing God.His zealousness was used the right way after he was humbled to write all those books of bible of course inspired by God then.
And lastly,lets cut right to the chase.Jesus taught his followers to go door to door to tell the world in over 240 lands about Gods kingdom and what we need to do to survive the onslaught of this Satanic world.NO other sect is doing that and only proves MORE and MORE who God and his people are.
Jesus warned if we arent with him,we scatter.
Don't get cute. I said YOUR JW version of 'Jehovah' is a fabrication. Just like your JW version of Jesus is a fabrication.
I've asked countless questions- none of which you can answer- quoted countless scripture verses - none of which you can refute... tirelessly I repeat some of them here.
Why isn't the term Jehovah Witness in the bible, but Christian is?
Why would you believe Christ could pay for our sins if He wasn't God in the Incarnation?
Why wouldn't Christ return in His own body instead of manufacturing a 'new' body that looked just like the old one?
What do you do with Romans 14 & Matt 7 (apart from the many other verses where God cautions us not to judge?)
How was Charles Taze Russel considered anything other than a false prophet after predicting (and failing several times at predicting) the End Times before his death.
What do you do with the supposed 'invisible return of Christ' the Watchtower believes, when we are told in Luke 17 & Acts 1 that His return will be obvious for all to see?
What do you do with the countless passages where Christ teaches about the punishment of being cast into Hell? (Matt 10, 13 & 18 just to name a few)
There are countless others I've asked over the years- none of which Lester can competently address.
I can see now why you're here and not out there knocking on doors like you're supposed to be. No one would take you seriously for a millisecond with your track record.
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