Has hitch been banned....again....yet?

[Donnamarg323]

Well it's still the erroneous Watchtower New World Translation, but at least it wasn't a tract!

Its close who is more of a joke,U or CG.

You have a problem even with KJV too.83:18...Psalms

This last post shows just how desperate UR.

U dont want us to poison FC forum?LOL!!We told U long ago to buy some comfy shoes.Worldwide preaching can be a long walk to stop God.

Most important why God chose Jesus and NOT an angel to die.He couldnt choose a sinful man.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/draw-close/justice/god-gave-jesus-ransom-sacrifice/

[Donnamarg323]

Well it's still the erroneous Watchtower New World Translation, but at least it wasn't a tract!

The Christian Greek Scriptures themselves report that Jesus often referred to God’s name and made it known to others. (John 17:6, 11, 12, 26) Jesus plainly stated: “I have come in the name of my Father.” He also stressed that his works were done in his “Father’s name.”—John 5:43; 10:25.

Erroneous?LOL!!

[JediJohnnie]

Well it's still the erroneous Watchtower New World Translation, but at least it wasn't a tract!

The Christian Greek Scriptures themselves report that Jesus often referred to God’s name and made it known to others. (John 17:6, 11, 12, 26) Jesus plainly stated: “I have come in the name of my Father.” He also stressed that his works were done in his “Father’s name.”—John 5:43; 10:25.

Erroneous?LOL!!

Do you deny the Watchtower inserted the word "other" several dozens of times in order to divest Jesus Christ of His Godhood?

[JediJohnnie]

Well it's still the erroneous Watchtower New World Translation, but at least it wasn't a tract!

Its close who is more of a joke,U or CG.

You have a problem even with KJV too.83:18...Psalms

This last post shows just how desperate UR.

U dont want us to poison FC forum?LOL!!We told U long ago to buy some comfy shoes.Worldwide preaching can be a long walk to stop God.

Most important why God chose Jesus and NOT an angel to die.He couldnt choose a sinful man.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/draw-close/justice/god-gave-jesus-ransom-sacrifice/

There's the tract! Knew you couldn't pass up an opportunity.

But there's a reason why God chose Jesus for the atonement. And you said so yourself "he couldn't choose a sinful man" nor could he choose an angel either. Only GOD INCARNATE could be pure enough a sacrifice. Jesus was the sinless lamb of God- being equal with the Father & Holy Ghost.

[JediJohnnie]

I guess the main question I continue to have for the JWs is- What makes Jesus unique? That He's the Son of God? What difference does that make, when you regard Him as little more than an angel?

If Christ isn't God in the incarnation- if He only exists now as a "thought" in the mind of Jehovah- what has He won on our behalf? How has He defeated death without the physical Resurrection?

[Drutts0643]

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20130301/when-jesus-created-why-son/

Now get your 2 posts and we will see you next month.

[JediJohnnie]

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20130301/when-jesus-created-why-son/

Now get your 2 posts and we will see you next month.

I know you'll never read someone else's bible tract, so I'll paste it out for you. This is the explanation for Jesus being called the "First Born of Creation":

 The Greek word prototokos, which is translated as firstborn, can refer to different things. It could refer either to something or someone that is first in order of time, such as a firstborn child, or it could refer to someone who is preeminent in rank. Or it could refer to someone who was both firstborn and preeminent in rank. It all depends upon the context.

David, The Youngest Son, Was Called The Firstborn
The psalmist gives a description of David as being the firstborn. The Lord said of him.

I will also appoint him my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth (Psalm 89:27).

In this example the term firstborn obviously speaks of preeminence in rank. David was preeminent among the kings of Israel. However he was not the oldest, or firstborn, in his family. David was in fact the youngest. Therefore in this context, the idea of firstborn among the kings has the idea of preeminence and does not have the idea of time.


So you see, "First Born" does not mean Jesus was created in it's proper context. David, being the youngest was also called First Born in rank. So again, you've failed to demote Christ to a spirit creature. I'll continue to hope you'll actually take the lesson to heart, but won't be shocked when you don't...

[Donnamarg323]

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20130301/when-jesus-created-why-son/

Now get your 2 posts and we will see you next month.

I know you'll never read someone else's bible tract, so I'll paste it out for you. This is the explanation for Jesus being called the "First Born of Creation":

 The Greek word prototokos, which is translated as firstborn, can refer to different things. It could refer either to something or someone that is first in order of time, such as a firstborn child, or it could refer to someone who is preeminent in rank. Or it could refer to someone who was both firstborn and preeminent in rank. It all depends upon the context.

David, The Youngest Son, Was Called The Firstborn
The psalmist gives a description of David as being the firstborn. The Lord said of him.

I will also appoint him my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth (Psalm 89:27).

In this example the term firstborn obviously speaks of preeminence in rank. David was preeminent among the kings of Israel. However he was not the oldest, or firstborn, in his family. David was in fact the youngest. Therefore in this context, the idea of firstborn among the kings has the idea of preeminence and does not have the idea of time.


So you see, "First Born" does not mean Jesus was created in it's proper context. David, being the youngest was also called First Born in rank. So again, you've failed to demote Christ to a spirit creature. I'll continue to hope you'll actually take the lesson to heart, but won't be shocked when you don't...

You could make a lot more $$$ selling that stuff you are smoking then being on FC!!LOL!

I would be better off trying to learn Chinese then review or learn your nonsense.Even if i was Wong!!!Hahahaha!!

[Donnamarg323]

Since Jesus as the firstborn of all creation is a created person, he cannot be Almighty God. The Scriptures repeatedly portray him as in a position subordinate to God. For example, concerning the resurrected Jesus Christ, the apostle Paul wrote: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Cor. 11:3, CB) When giving the inspired “Revelation” to the apostle John, Jesus said concerning himself: “He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.” (Rev. 3:12, CB) Did you note that four times in this verse alone Jesus refers to his Father, Jehovah, as “my God”?—Compare Philippians 2:5, 6, CB.

In no way is this meant to deny the exalted position that Jesus occupies next to God. Before ascending to heaven, Jesus said to his disciples: “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” (Matt. 28:18, CB) It was appropriate for God to ‘give’ to his Son such authority, since the Son was the firstborn of all creatures. Right in line with primogenitureship, the apostle Paul could write concerning Jesus: “[God] raised him from the dead and made him sit at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come; and he has put all things under his feet and has made him the head over all things for the church.”—Eph. 1:20-23, CB.

[Donnamarg323]

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/who-is-jesus-christ/

[Donnamarg323]

Prov 8:22

22 Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way,+

The earliest of his achievements of long ago.+

23 From ancient times* I was installed,+

From the start, from times earlier than the earth.+

24 When there were no deep waters,+ I was brought forth,*

When there were no springs overflowing with water.

25 Before the mountains were set in place,

Before the hills, I was brought forth,

26 When he had not yet made the earth and its fields

Or the first clods of earth’s soil.

27 When he prepared the heavens,+ I was there;

When he marked out the horizon* on the surface of the waters,+

28 When he established* the clouds above,

When he founded the fountains of the deep,

29 When he set a decree for the sea

That its waters should not pass beyond his order,+

When he established* the foundations of the earth,

30 Then I was beside him as a master worker.+

I was the one he was especially fond of+ day by day;

I rejoiced before him all the time;+

31 I rejoiced over his habitable earth,

And I was especially fond of the sons of men.*

32 And now, my sons, listen to me;

Yes, happy are those who keep my ways.

33 Listen to discipline+ and become wise,

And never neglect it.

34 Happy is the man who listens to me

By coming early to* my doors day by day,

By waiting next to my doorposts;

35 For the one finding me will find life,+

And he receives approval from Jehovah.

36 But the one who ignores me harms himself,*

And those who hate me love death.”+

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[Donnamarg323]

I only ask because, despite not posting since the first week of June, his latest alias 'ericborn1980' is still in some of the threads. If he's rightly banned again, they should be removed.

Whenever i need a chuckle,i always refer myself to this post.

[JediJohnnie]

Prov 8:22

22 Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way,+

The earliest of his achievements of long ago.+

23 From ancient times* I was installed,+

From the start, from times earlier than the earth.+

24 When there were no deep waters,+ I was brought forth,*

When there were no springs overflowing with water.

25 Before the mountains were set in place,

Before the hills, I was brought forth,

26 When he had not yet made the earth and its fields

Or the first clods of earth’s soil.

27 When he prepared the heavens,+ I was there;

When he marked out the horizon* on the surface of the waters,+

28 When he established* the clouds above,

When he founded the fountains of the deep,

29 When he set a decree for the sea

That its waters should not pass beyond his order,+

When he established* the foundations of the earth,

30 Then I was beside him as a master worker.+

I was the one he was especially fond of+ day by day;

I rejoiced before him all the time;+

31 I rejoiced over his habitable earth,

And I was especially fond of the sons of men.*

32 And now, my sons, listen to me;

Yes, happy are those who keep my ways.

33 Listen to discipline+ and become wise,

And never neglect it.

34 Happy is the man who listens to me

By coming early to* my doors day by day,

By waiting next to my doorposts;

35 For the one finding me will find life,+

And he receives approval from Jehovah.

36 But the one who ignores me harms himself,*

And those who hate me love death.”+

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Copyright © 2020 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pen

Are you seriously going to quote Proverbs 8:22 as a proof text? Seriously, this is the best you got?

"For the LORD gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding;" Proverbs 2:6

The Wisdom which Yahweh gives is the knowledge and understanding that comes from his mouth. The reference is essentially saying that Yahweh produced Wisdom out of his own mouth, which shows that Wisdom wasn't created from nothing since it existed with(in) Yahweh. In other words, Yahweh always had Wisdom as an attribute which he then produced or brought forth in order to create and to give to others.

Basically, what this implies is that Proverbs is using figurative language to describe how Yahweh birthed his own eternal attribute of Wisdom from Himself in creating everything. Thus, even if the text were referring to Christ this would only prove that the Creedal statements were correct in stating that Jesus was eternally begotten before all creation, begotten not made.

Yet, as it stands, this text isn't referring to Christ nor is it saying that Wisdom was created from nothing. It is simply a poetic description of how Yahweh used his own eternal attribute of Wisdom to create all things.

[JediJohnnie]

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20130301/when-jesus-created-why-son/

Now get your 2 posts and we will see you next month.

I know you'll never read someone else's bible tract, so I'll paste it out for you. This is the explanation for Jesus being called the "First Born of Creation":

 The Greek word prototokos, which is translated as firstborn, can refer to different things. It could refer either to something or someone that is first in order of time, such as a firstborn child, or it could refer to someone who is preeminent in rank. Or it could refer to someone who was both firstborn and preeminent in rank. It all depends upon the context.

David, The Youngest Son, Was Called The Firstborn
The psalmist gives a description of David as being the firstborn. The Lord said of him.

I will also appoint him my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth (Psalm 89:27).

In this example the term firstborn obviously speaks of preeminence in rank. David was preeminent among the kings of Israel. However he was not the oldest, or firstborn, in his family. David was in fact the youngest. Therefore in this context, the idea of firstborn among the kings has the idea of preeminence and does not have the idea of time.


So you see, "First Born" does not mean Jesus was created in it's proper context. David, being the youngest was also called First Born in rank. So again, you've failed to demote Christ to a spirit creature. I'll continue to hope you'll actually take the lesson to heart, but won't be shocked when you don't...

You could make a lot more $$$ selling that stuff you are smoking then being on FC!!LOL!

I would be better off trying to learn Chinese then review or learn your nonsense.Even if i was Wong!!!Hahahaha!!

If you're having trouble get a 3 year old to read it to you.

[JediJohnnie]

Since Jesus as the firstborn of all creation is a created person, he cannot be Almighty God. The Scriptures repeatedly portray him as in a position subordinate to God. For example, concerning the resurrected Jesus Christ, the apostle Paul wrote: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Cor. 11:3, CB) When giving the inspired “Revelation” to the apostle John, Jesus said concerning himself: “He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.” (Rev. 3:12, CB) Did you note that four times in this verse alone Jesus refers to his Father, Jehovah, as “my God”?—Compare Philippians 2:5, 6, CB.

In no way is this meant to deny the exalted position that Jesus occupies next to God. Before ascending to heaven, Jesus said to his disciples: “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” (Matt. 28:18, CB) It was appropriate for God to ‘give’ to his Son such authority, since the Son was the firstborn of all creatures. Right in line with primogenitureship, the apostle Paul could write concerning Jesus: “[God] raised him from the dead and made him sit at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come; and he has put all things under his feet and has made him the head over all things for the church.”—Eph. 1:20-23, CB.

Again, you cannot conceive of the fact that Jesus made Himself subordinate to the Father (the titles Father & Son should define those roles rather clearly to you) in the Incarnation

But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. Heb 2:9

Christ's Role in the Godhead does not necessitate His divesting Himself of any Divine attributes. Try, try again.