Abortion Ban

[UGetPaid]

Jesus opened a straight line to God.  For women, too.

And for murdered children.

[Drutts0643]

Paints,very true Jesus is the mediator to say the prayer in to God.

But it would be unwise to ask him to permit abortion.Maybe you should ask him to help you understand it is NOT supported by him.

And yes i use the bible to support what i write here and i am not getting in to man wrote the bible yaddy yaddy.Thats another discussion.

BTW....God inspired man to write the book what HE wanted in it.

[linderlizzie]

The faulty logic comes in when any person other than the woman who is pregnant insists that she must stay pregnant.
Not your body, not your business.

Again, you don't seem to be getting the point that slaughtering an unborn life over convenience is what we're talking about. It's not a personal choice to allow murder, because that body is in the womb. It's still a life being taken. 

If the uterus is not in YOUR body, you have NO say.
 

So basically, by your logic Slavery wasn't a human rights issue either.

"Those slaves are not in YOUR plantation, you have no say."

It sounds pretty much like what you're saying to me.

After the last slaves were freed, women were still property. 
The patriarchal church has tried to keep it that way. 

Seems to me you've got an ax to grind with the Catholic Church. As someone who is not Catholic, this means nothing to me or my argument. My point is that you're not seeing the unborn as a person any more than slave owners saw their slaves as anything more than cattle.

And like slave owners, pro-abortioners don't want the problem of granting their victims humanity for the sake of convenience.

Just like it was easier to see slaves as less then human. Who wants the hassle of actually dealing with hiring workers to be paid and expect fair treatment and conditions? What an inconvenience, Right?

Ever hear of fruit of the poisonous tree? What do you think the Protestant denominations were protesting?

There are misogynists in every denomination.  Pedophiles and rapists too. 

Your analogy doesn't work, because the slave owner didn't carry the slave in their body.  By forcing women to carry to term, when it is not in her best interest, because of your beliefs, you count women as breeders.  Like cattle.  Or womb-slaves. 

Women own their bodies. 

Just thought I'd mention that the fruit of the tree was not 'poisonous'. That is, if you're referring to the tree in the midst of the Garden of Eden that Adam and Eve sampled.

Or is it "Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal metaphor in the United States used to describe evidence that is obtained illegally. The logic of the terminology is that if the source of the evidence or evidence itself is tainted, then anything gained from it is tainted as well."

[Drutts0643]

The tree in Eden is referred to tree of knowledge of good and bad.

God warned them NOT to eat from it or they would die.A&E were not deprived of anything.By obedience they would show their love and accept Jehovah as their rightful ruler.

Satan a rebellious angel used a serpent as a ventriliquist uses a dummy and deceived Eve to make it sound like God was holding something better back from them and they wouldnt die and have their own choice of whats good and bad.Eve was deceived and talked Adam in to disobeying.After the sin Eve blamed the serpent and Adam blamed Eve.Then they realized they were naked and God pronounced judgement on all 3.If you know how to use a bible you can read the accounts in Genesis.

That doomed them and the human race.Pronouncing sentence to the serpent God said there would be a seed to break up the devils sin.That seed was Jesus who gave his perfect sinless life to balance the scales of justice with Adams sin.

God has let the last 6000 yrs of satanic manmade independent rulership apart from his it doesnt work.History shows that.Thats why God didnt kill the rebels immediately.Satan and man have had their chance to govern.It doesnt work.

A&E had the prospect of living forever in a paradise earth but blew it.But jehovah knew some of the human race would obey and love him and his original purpose will be fulfilled.He allowed them to have offspring.Adam died a little over 900 yrs of age.Within God day which is 1000 of our yrs.

Our lives depend on what side we are on.God gave mankind the bible,his prophets and of course Jesus.He didnt leave mankind in the dark.Sadly much of mankind has preferred that.

Satans selfish desire to also be a god worked on many where he was served.But in the end Jehovah proved the devil a liar that NOT all would serve him.It took a heavy price because of what many went thru,especially Jesus.But their faith saw the reward and God will justly reward them for their love of him.

AS Jesus said in Math 12:30 Whoever is not on my side is against me,and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

[paints]

The faulty logic comes in when any person other than the woman who is pregnant insists that she must stay pregnant.
Not your body, not your business.

Again, you don't seem to be getting the point that slaughtering an unborn life over convenience is what we're talking about. It's not a personal choice to allow murder, because that body is in the womb. It's still a life being taken. 

If the uterus is not in YOUR body, you have NO say.
 

So basically, by your logic Slavery wasn't a human rights issue either.

"Those slaves are not in YOUR plantation, you have no say."

It sounds pretty much like what you're saying to me.

After the last slaves were freed, women were still property. 
The patriarchal church has tried to keep it that way. 

Seems to me you've got an ax to grind with the Catholic Church. As someone who is not Catholic, this means nothing to me or my argument. My point is that you're not seeing the unborn as a person any more than slave owners saw their slaves as anything more than cattle.

And like slave owners, pro-abortioners don't want the problem of granting their victims humanity for the sake of convenience.

Just like it was easier to see slaves as less then human. Who wants the hassle of actually dealing with hiring workers to be paid and expect fair treatment and conditions? What an inconvenience, Right?

Ever hear of fruit of the poisonous tree? What do you think the Protestant denominations were protesting?

There are misogynists in every denomination.  Pedophiles and rapists too. 

Your analogy doesn't work, because the slave owner didn't carry the slave in their body.  By forcing women to carry to term, when it is not in her best interest, because of your beliefs, you count women as breeders.  Like cattle.  Or womb-slaves. 

Women own their bodies. 

Just thought I'd mention that the fruit of the tree was not 'poisonous'. That is, if you're referring to the tree in the midst of the Garden of Eden that Adam and Eve sampled.

Or is it "Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal metaphor in the United States used to describe evidence that is obtained illegally. The logic of the terminology is that if the source of the evidence or evidence itself is tainted, then anything gained from it is tainted as well."

Matthew 7:18.   

[Drutts0643]

English
Tree of the knowledge of good and bad
A tree in the garden of Eden that God used as a symbol of his right to set the standards for mankind as to what is “good” and what is “bad.”​—Ge 2:9, 17.

After creating A&E and putting them in Eden with the prospect of turning the earth into paradise,did Jehovah have a right to rule and decide what was good and bad for man?Of course he did.But he didnt force them either and warned them of consequence.We know the end result.But his original purpose will be fulfilled thru what Jesus did.

[stevensm4]

Abortion shouldn't be banned when considering the extreme case of a rape victim getting pregnant because other cases just show a lack of responsibility.

[Drutts0643]

Abortion shouldn't be banned when considering the extreme case of a rape victim getting pregnant because other cases just show a lack of responsibility.

Suppose you were the product of a rape victim?Would you have liked to be aborted?

Listen i understand.A woman saying i cant have that monsters baby.If you ever have to rely on God that would be a great time to do so.Plus you can always put the child up for adoption.

We live in a godless world.Someday it wont be that way.Its not a bad idea to show the Creator if we are worthy of living in a world governed by him.The majority dont seem to think so as the world attests to.

[vp44]

I will say this a million and more times. It is no one business what a woman does with her body but the woman, man of child and doctor. Not your sin if that is the case and you have no right to interfere in another person choice. Bible thumpers need to worry more about their own life. The bible is rewritten who knows what GOD said and when it was said. Lies of the WHITE man.

[Drutts0643]

I will say this a million and more times. It is no one business what a woman does with her body but the woman, man of child and doctor. Not your sin if that is the case and you have no right to interfere in another person choice. Bible thumpers need to worry more about their own life. The bible is rewritten who knows what GOD said and when it was said. Lies of the WHITE man.

Well you can say it another million times.You arent going to change how Jehovah feels about it and its only HIS decision that will count.

In your last breath im sure you might change your mind and say,"God help me."

[vp44]

I will say this a million and more times. It is no one business what a woman does with her body but the woman, man of child and doctor. Not your sin if that is the case and you have no right to interfere in another person choice. Bible thumpers need to worry more about their own life. The bible is rewritten who knows what GOD said and when it was said. Lies of the WHITE man.

Well you can say it another million times.You arent going to change how Jehovah feels about it and its only HIS decision that will count.

In your last breath im sure you might change your mind and say,"God help me."

In my last breath I will say God bless all.

[Drutts0643]

I will say this a million and more times. It is no one business what a woman does with her body but the woman, man of child and doctor. Not your sin if that is the case and you have no right to interfere in another person choice. Bible thumpers need to worry more about their own life. The bible is rewritten who knows what GOD said and when it was said. Lies of the WHITE man.

Well you can say it another million times.You arent going to change how Jehovah feels about it and its only HIS decision that will count.

In your last breath im sure you might change your mind and say,"God help me."

In my last breath I will say God bless all.

So you have NO use for the bible.What god will u be asking to bless us all in your last breath.

Just a reminder,Satan is referred also as a god,like Venus,Neptune and others carved out of wood and concrete that are lifeless materials.

1 more thing.....if you have no use for bible u must have another pipeline to a god or Jesus i am assuming.

Do yourself a favor and ur child......let them decide if they might feel the bible is truth.

[UGetPaid]

Can't bring back any of the dead babies, but is it a bad idea to revive a controversial dead topic in the forum - just to see if any new users react to it?

[Drutts0643]

Can't bring back any of the dead babies, but is it a bad idea to revive a controversial dead topic in the forum - just to see if any new users react to it?

Obviously i am not a newbie,but i never mind commenting how i feel.

RE Gods view bringing back babies dying in womb.......

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009285

Please dont drink anything Uget while reading my posts.

[linderlizzie]

Can't bring back any of the dead babies, but is it a bad idea to revive a controversial dead topic in the forum - just to see if any new users react to it?

Sure; why not? It's not a bad idea; just an idea.

Unfortunately or fortunately, it probably won't change anyone's mind.