Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup (DVD) (NTSC)

[eSineM]

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5099439/Loose_Change_9_11__An_American_Coup_%28DVD%29_%28NTSC%29

[liljp617]

I'd be inclined to say that promotion of torrents isn't acceptable here.  I don't know for sure, but I can't see FC promoting illegal activities on their website.

[eSineM]

I don't think it is a problem with this torrent as the Director "Dylan Avery" and others involved in all Loose Change films have previously on many occassions asked the viewers to copy the film and pass out to others. In fact on 9/11 they generally make thousands of copies and hand them out to the public. Unless I am mistaken, this version of Loose Change is no different in that regard.

[GoGoKokiGo]

I watched this a while ago. It was very interesting.

[liljp617]

I watched this a while ago. It was very interesting.

And debunked.

[eSineM]

I watched this a while ago. It was very interesting.

And debunked.

Lmfao...Watched it a while ago eh...? it came out about 1 week ago? debunked? where? Anyone can say its debunked, the flat earthers believe the earth is not round and the theory of a round earth has been debunked hundreds of times... but yet I think we will agree that the Earth is NOT flat. xD

[eSineM]

it is a lot like if you had a cage of rats and wanted to kill them, you just put out some really good tasting cheese! They will eat it and die, we are just like those rats... we pretend to be smarter becaus eof day to day choices and the illusion of feeling 'important' but in reality our poison iis still being handed to us, and we are still stupid enough to take it as long as it tastes good... it could actually be arsenic probably and people would really drink it if it had enough Ginseng and Fructose added and didnt kill you immediately, as long as the death is slow

[liljp617]

I watched this a while ago. It was very interesting.

And debunked.

Lmfao...Watched it a while ago eh...? it came out about 1 week ago? debunked? where? Anyone can say its debunked, the flat earthers believe the earth is not round and the theory of a round earth has been debunked hundreds of times... but yet I think we will agree that the Earth is NOT flat. xD

Goes a little like this, as it always has:

A: The government did 9/11.
B: Can you show me tangible, logical evidence that immediately connects the US government to 9/11?
A: *spews random speculation and conspiracy theories, that while maybe interesting, don't hold up under scrutiny*
B:  *tries to explain how they're wrong, backs it up with scientific reports and information...and walks away out of boredom when person A spews more illogical junk*

It's like trying to have a discussion with a religious person.  They claim to be in search of the truth, except they're really not.  They're in search of what makes them more comfortable, and facts make them uncomfortable for whatever reason.  They claim to be open minded, except they don't have control of the degree of open mindedness.  There's a lovely old saying: "It is possible to be so open minded that your brain falls out."

If these people took half the effort used making up conspiracy theories and nonsensical movies and put that towards lobbying Congress to hold a legitimate investigation into 9/11 (and the first investigation does not qualify as a legitimate investigation; it was a sorry *bleep* excuse for an investigation at best), they would easily get somewhere, especially given the current political setup in Washington.  They don't want that, because they don't want the truth.  They want hysteria, money, and the general population to show grave distrust in any and every government institution.  What they think that will accomplish is beyond me...nothing positive, that's easy to say.

[eSineM]

you know what makes me laugh about your post more than anything? the fact you are guilty of the very thing you seem to despise... You have not seen the film, yet you will not watch because you apparently already know what it is about and what it will say.

It's like trying to have a discussion with a religious person.  They claim to be in search of the truth, except they're really not.  They're in search of what makes them more comfortable, and facts make them uncomfortable for whatever reason.

Just like your insistence on judging a film before you even seen it, but I guess to be honest you don't pretend to be in search of truth, so your not AS guilty of what you hate... But if you don't see a movie, judge it, pretend you know what it says, and use that for an excuse NOT to watch it... You are basically not in search for truth at all, your avoiding anything that your belief system does not support. Your belief is there is no movie with evidence pointing to a cover-up or inside job apparently... and even without watching this movie, you will maintain that belief because its comfortable, you will instead blast a movie you never seen and throw accusations or assumptions around instead, based on nothing really since you never watched.

[eSineM]

They want hysteria, money, and the general population to show grave distrust in any and every government institution. What they think that will accomplish is beyond me...nothing positive, that's easy to say.

Not true, not only do they collect a large amount of money to help first responders who are not getting care from the government who failed them, but they also have goals and are making a LOT of headway towards a new independent investigation. Over 35,000 signatures were collected to put it on the NY ballot and its now in court (or done) deciding if they will have it on the NY ballot to vote for a new investigation... Then there is one of the heads of NIST who recently came out with tons of photos and information which shows that there was knowledge of the attacks and rooms were even emptied of important documents before the attacks to keep them from being destroyed in the collapse. Then 60% of the commissioners themselves who DID the investigation have come forward saying it was a flop, a coverup, fraud, they couldnt do their jobs etc. However some people will still insist "just because they were the investigators, and they say it was a coverup, doesnt mean the investigation wasnt thorough or covered up" yet thats EXACTLY what it means...

So as always with the 9/11 debate, there are people claiming it was UFO, govenrment etc.with no evidence.. there are people claiming it was 19 hijackers who all pulled off multiple miracles, with no evidence.. then there are the people who look at the evidence, and their story lies more in between... incompetence, coverups, a much larger scale attakc than 19 people etc. Many people find comfort in thinking it was just 19 crazy guys and now our security can stop them... when in fact it was GOVERNMENT SPONSORED terror, with LOTS OF MONEY, lots of training, trafficking the terrorists in an dout of the country, even while under terror watch, which requires "insiders', then the countless drills that mirrored the exact events, then the fact they ordered a standdown at the pentagon, so many things that are REAL evidence... but too many people think "oh its a conspiracy movie, that isnt Dan Rather so I dont trust it" or "its not cnn" or "its no rush limbaugh, or bill oreilly" or "its not michael moore" etc. Always an excuse to attack the people, and everything else, never approaching the problem scientifically, letting emotions get in the way and instant defensive and offensive attacks proceed. Nobody gets nowhere, and everybody is angry, pretending they are right with no real evidence to support their case.... This is why research, movies like the NEW loose change (unlike old college kid made film) are valuable tools... Those who ignore them, remain ignorant, just as those are who dont read books... They can hav opinions etc. but how valuable is an opinion? and how valuable is a stance if its just based on 'faith' or incorrect information, an incomplete picture?

I can tell you I once jumped out of a moving airplane with no parachute, and when I hit the ground I only stubbed my toe... this could be 100% fact and amaze thousands, until they learn the simple fact that the airplane was only 11 feet tall and wasnt even off the ground...

missing information makes all the difference. The amount of information that was missing when we were told the story, the amount of information gained since the close of the investigation, is astronomical... a new investigation is obviously needed and you cant possibly believe the details given to you by mass media on 9/11 and the days after were 100% accurate, or that this event unlike any other in history did NOT include a coverup and was told completely accurately to the American people and the world. The 9/11 commission book was so fake, they turned it into a comic book (thats a fact!).