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The president is planning to reduce the summer vacation for school going kids. how far is it right? please post your valuable thoughts. have a good day.  :wave:

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 06:00:32 pm »
The current president was no better than the last, just the same old thing in a different package.
I personally disagree with most things he does... But what, exactly, is the logic behind shortening summer vacation? It would use more electricity because all the schools would be open and bustling with students using the facilities. It would cost more money to feed the students who receive free lunch. This is something insignificant, and he really needs to focus on the important things rather than all the nonsense he's messing with currently.

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2009, 07:46:54 am »
STUPID STUPID STUPID IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bs:


MAYBE IF OUR TEACHERS WOULD SPEND MORE TIME TEACHING OUR STUDENTS. INSTEAD OF DOING THE "HERE READ THIS" METHOD OF TEACHING. OUR TEACHERS GET PAID TO TEACH AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOT DOING IT.
IT WOULD COST ALOT OF MONEY TO KEEP SCHOOLS OPEN LONGER IN THE YEAR. I HEARD ANOTHER IDEA WAS TO KEEP KIDS IN SCHOOL LONGER DAYS!!!! THEY SAID TO ADD 3 HOURS TO EACH DAY!!!!!!!!!! NOWAY
MY DAUGHTER WOULD GO TO SCHOOL TILL 530 AT NIGHT. THAT IS JUST CRAZY.

THERE ARE KIDS WHO HAVE AFTER SCHOOL SPORTS AND HAVE TROUBLE NOW GETTING HOMEWORK DONE AFTER PRACTICE. THEY HAVE PRACTICE EVERDAY AFTER SCHOOL FOR AN HOUR----ADD 3 HOURS OF SCHOOL TO THAT AND THESE KIDS WONT GET HOME TILL 7 AT NIGHT.

WE NEED LESS OF THESE STUPID GOV'T TESTS SO OUR KIDS CAN CONCENTRATE ON LEARNING AND NOT ON THESE THINGS. HERE IN PA THEY JUST PASSED ANOTHER TEST KIDS ARE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE AND PASS IN ORDER TO GRADUATE! ITS RIDICULOUS.
THEY NEED TO SPEND LESS TIME ON STUPID PROJECTS AND MORE ON LEARNING WHAT THEY WILL NEED TO KNOW.

MY DAUGHTER HAD A PROJECT CALLED THE SOUTH AMERICA PROJECT. IT TOOK 6 WEEKS OF SCHOOL TIME TO DO THIS PROJECT. IT WAS STUPID. THEY COULD HAVE USED THAT 6 WEEKS TO ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING. NOT LEARN ABOUT SOME SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRY THAT THEY WILL NEVER BE IN ANYWAY

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 12:40:48 pm »
As a future teacher, I hope they don't take away TOO much of our summer vacation!  It seems like that's one of the only advantages in the teaching profession...

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2009, 02:22:42 pm »
STUPID STUPID STUPID IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bs:


MAYBE IF OUR TEACHERS WOULD SPEND MORE TIME TEACHING OUR STUDENTS. INSTEAD OF DOING THE "HERE READ THIS" METHOD OF TEACHING. OUR TEACHERS GET PAID TO TEACH AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOT DOING IT.
IT WOULD COST ALOT OF MONEY TO KEEP SCHOOLS OPEN LONGER IN THE YEAR. I HEARD ANOTHER IDEA WAS TO KEEP KIDS IN SCHOOL LONGER DAYS!!!! THEY SAID TO ADD 3 HOURS TO EACH DAY!!!!!!!!!! NOWAY
MY DAUGHTER WOULD GO TO SCHOOL TILL 530 AT NIGHT. THAT IS JUST CRAZY.

THERE ARE KIDS WHO HAVE AFTER SCHOOL SPORTS AND HAVE TROUBLE NOW GETTING HOMEWORK DONE AFTER PRACTICE. THEY HAVE PRACTICE EVERDAY AFTER SCHOOL FOR AN HOUR----ADD 3 HOURS OF SCHOOL TO THAT AND THESE KIDS WONT GET HOME TILL 7 AT NIGHT.

WE NEED LESS OF THESE STUPID GOV'T TESTS SO OUR KIDS CAN CONCENTRATE ON LEARNING AND NOT ON THESE THINGS. HERE IN PA THEY JUST PASSED ANOTHER TEST KIDS ARE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE AND PASS IN ORDER TO GRADUATE! ITS RIDICULOUS.
THEY NEED TO SPEND LESS TIME ON STUPID PROJECTS AND MORE ON LEARNING WHAT THEY WILL NEED TO KNOW.

MY DAUGHTER HAD A PROJECT CALLED THE SOUTH AMERICA PROJECT. IT TOOK 6 WEEKS OF SCHOOL TIME TO DO THIS PROJECT. IT WAS STUPID. THEY COULD HAVE USED THAT 6 WEEKS TO ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING. NOT LEARN ABOUT SOME SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRY THAT THEY WILL NEVER BE IN ANYWAY
that last part made me lmao

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2009, 05:16:57 pm »
Good job folks. Iam really impressed by your remarks. Iam a teacher and i too feel the same thing as most of you expressed. spending lot of time in school may not necessarily help the child. spending 12 hours in school is no joke. it drains off the student of his energy. have a  good day friends. bye for now. :wave:

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2009, 08:19:57 pm »
It wouldnt make a difference , O can shorten them all he wants , but hey at the end of the day its up to the teachers ..

and yeah the Goverment Testing i was never in favor for , always hated them , aside with those test at least all schools take out 3 weeks prior til the actual testing week to get warmed up for it doing pre testing and what have you smh its really sad , those weeks could have been spent learning about Real issues , Taxes? How to pay a bill , rent , credit , Federal Aid ?  American History ?  These things along with more important factors should be taught within the school system if it isnt already.

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 08:28:23 pm »
The current president was no better than the last, just the same old thing in a different package.
I personally disagree with most things he does... But what, exactly, is the logic behind shortening summer vacation? It would use more electricity because all the schools would be open and bustling with students using the facilities. It would cost more money to feed the students who receive free lunch. This is something insignificant, and he really needs to focus on the important things rather than all the nonsense he's messing with currently.

It could have something to do with..uh...I don't know...the fact that the US ranks pretty horribly in education (science and math specifically) amongst industrialized nations, which is quite embarrassing given our influence and power economically, politically, socially, and just in general.  Last ranking I saw placed the US at 18th amongst 36 industrialized nations in secondary education.  Another measured 25-34 year olds and found the US ranked 9th among industrialized nations in the share of its population that has at least a high school degree; in the same age group the US ranked 7th in the share of people who have a college degree.  Every single study on the subject I've seen makes some statement akin to "the average US high school teenager is much less effective in the math and science fields than the average Japanese/South Korean/French/etc. student."  And I can't say I disagree from personal experience.

Point being, we're lower than we should be and we've continued to slip lower in the ranks each time a new study is released.

Now let's look at a list of possible reasons why this is the case:

1) Teachers/Administrators
2) Student Motivation
3) Parents/General home life
4) Race/Socioeconomic status
5) Time spent in school/on school work (let's further this to "quality time...")


1) One could argue a number of teachers in the profession aren't worth having a simple discussion with.  While that may be the case, I think it's fair to say that, on average, the teaching staff in most regions is pretty good and capable of teaching the students the material for the most part.  I am wary to say that the teachers in the classroom are the root of the problem (I'm a fairly recent graduate and my grandma, mother, sister, and brother-in-law are all teachers at various levels...I like to think I've seen/heard both sides of the spectrum quite a bit).

2) Student motivation.  It doesn't take all that long to observe a classroom of students and see there's, on a general level, a couple things they care about: Friday night, what drama is going on in the school, who can be the funniest smartass to the teacher, and who can show they don't want to learn the most.  I'm not trying to say all students are like this, there are most certainly plenty of students who want to learn anything and everything, but I'd have to say they're a minority in your average public school.  Not only that, but their motivations are suppressed to an extent when they're stuck in a classroom where only a 1/3 of the students share their same motivations (it's no secret that kids face peer pressure, and these days this includes peer pressure to show you don't care that much about school).

3)  Parents and general home life clearly play a huge role.  A student is going to have it much harder when trying to succeed in their education if they don't have a positive household, with people to turn to when they have problems with homework or general social problems.  I haven't seen any recent studies, but I'm inclined to say single-parent households are on the rise...and that's not a good thing.

4)  Race and socioeconomic status play a role as well (I'm not saying some people are inherently incapable of learning because of their race, let's make that clear).  It would be naive of anyone to claim they don't.  There's a reason the school system in say, Baltimore, is simply beyond words.  I think it's pretty much general consensus that inner-city school systems that take in mostly low class/poverty-level students aren't that successful in educating them.  This kind of ties in with the student motivation, as well as teacher quality.  These students don't think they have a future so why should they do well in school? The teachers in a number of these inner-city schools are new, inexperienced teachers.

Now all of these clearly play a strong role in the US's education rankings.  A number of countries ahead of us don't deal with these mentioned social issues on such a scale that we do.  But let's get to the probable kicker in why students in the US are generally behind students of other nations.

5)  The average US school year in the US is 180 days.  The average school year worldwide is 200 days.  The average school year in Japan is 243 days.  Australia, 200 days.  China, over 200.  You get the point.  Now how in the world can we possibly compete with countries going to school 25, 40, 60+ days longer than we do?  How can we compete with education programs around the world where students, during summer break, either enroll in summer classes or are studying for entrance exams?  Students here get out in May, and take 3 months to forget everything they learned.  Most don't open a book, most don't think about school.  And it clearly shows when put into context.


But enough of that....one last minor point.  If you really think education is an "insignificant" issue, perhaps you should rethink your priorities.  For decades the US has had the bragging rights for being on the cutting edge of almost all new technology, of being on the cutting edge of every aspect of science, of having an intelligent population.  Keep in mind that one of our biggest exports as a nation is our technology and advanced knowledge.  Being on the cutting edge of technology and having students be educated and motivated to succeed is the primary reason we attained our "superpower" status, and the primary reason we've kept it this long.  Also keep in mind that an uneducated population makes for one horrible democracy/republic.

I think people need to think this issue through quite a bit more than just saying "oh my kids won't get to sit around as much in July!  Horrible idea!"
« Last Edit: September 30, 2009, 08:30:36 pm by liljp617 »

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 08:32:09 pm »
I think Teachers should get paid the same amount of pay. If it was passed that the schools would be open longer, it would keep less kids out of troublem. If they kept the kids in longer in the day. In the end the Teachers get there pay anyways. Some teachers get a bonus, for having there classroom over packed. So in the long or short, everyone comes out a winner.

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2009, 08:34:29 pm »
STUPID STUPID STUPID IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bs:


MAYBE IF OUR TEACHERS WOULD SPEND MORE TIME TEACHING OUR STUDENTS. INSTEAD OF DOING THE "HERE READ THIS" METHOD OF TEACHING. OUR TEACHERS GET PAID TO TEACH AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOT DOING IT.
IT WOULD COST ALOT OF MONEY TO KEEP SCHOOLS OPEN LONGER IN THE YEAR. I HEARD ANOTHER IDEA WAS TO KEEP KIDS IN SCHOOL LONGER DAYS!!!! THEY SAID TO ADD 3 HOURS TO EACH DAY!!!!!!!!!! NOWAY
MY DAUGHTER WOULD GO TO SCHOOL TILL 530 AT NIGHT. THAT IS JUST CRAZY.

THERE ARE KIDS WHO HAVE AFTER SCHOOL SPORTS AND HAVE TROUBLE NOW GETTING HOMEWORK DONE AFTER PRACTICE. THEY HAVE PRACTICE EVERDAY AFTER SCHOOL FOR AN HOUR----ADD 3 HOURS OF SCHOOL TO THAT AND THESE KIDS WONT GET HOME TILL 7 AT NIGHT.

WE NEED LESS OF THESE STUPID GOV'T TESTS SO OUR KIDS CAN CONCENTRATE ON LEARNING AND NOT ON THESE THINGS. HERE IN PA THEY JUST PASSED ANOTHER TEST KIDS ARE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE AND PASS IN ORDER TO GRADUATE! ITS RIDICULOUS.
THEY NEED TO SPEND LESS TIME ON STUPID PROJECTS AND MORE ON LEARNING WHAT THEY WILL NEED TO KNOW.

MY DAUGHTER HAD A PROJECT CALLED THE SOUTH AMERICA PROJECT. IT TOOK 6 WEEKS OF SCHOOL TIME TO DO THIS PROJECT. IT WAS STUPID. THEY COULD HAVE USED THAT 6 WEEKS TO ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING. NOT LEARN ABOUT SOME SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRY THAT THEY WILL NEVER BE IN ANYWAY

It's interesting that, in my personal experiences, the people who most avidly oppose lengthening the school year/day are generally the people who either

1) Have horrible grammar even at the most basic level
2) Have almost an impossible time getting their point across effectively (or writing three-four paragraphs in caps lock)
« Last Edit: September 30, 2009, 09:24:22 pm by liljp617 »

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2009, 03:25:20 pm »
Hahahahhaha!

I'm for lengthening the school year if it actually gets results. Perhaps test it in a few random schools around the US and see if they do better than the surrounding (excluding major cities-- you get 1 good school next to one HORRIBLE school in Chicago). But there are so many variables here stated above in previous posts that I'm not sure if doing that would get results.

But the kid in me still liked the 3 months off. That was awesome.


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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2009, 03:50:40 pm »
 :) My personal opinion: 'It is not a good idea'. During spring, summer and early fall (during good weather seasons), student should be given plenty of extra time to explore our communities and nature, because there is so much to learn by visiting all these places. Let them visit: museums, zoos, amusements parks, libraries, trails, beaches, theaters, sport arenas...and many other places. And yes 'give them tutors' not teachers...so they can catch up in areas they are behind!

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2009, 04:04:34 pm »
I don't think it's a good idea. 

A. Kids need a break.
B. I don't think there are enough teachers for the amount of students we have.  If teachers were payed what they're actually worth maybe they'd spend more time caring about what they're teaching and more people would become teachers.

:) My personal opinion: 'It is not a good idea'. During spring, summer and early fall (during good weather seasons), student should be given plenty of extra time to explore our communities and nature, because there is so much to learn by visiting all these places. Let them visit: museums, zoos, amusements parks, libraries, trails, beaches, theaters, sport arenas...and many other places. And yes 'give them tutors' not teachers...so they can catch up in areas they are behind!

Agreed, not everything a child must know as an adult can be learned in a classroom.  How many of you actually remember much less use algebra on a daily basis?

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2009, 08:06:02 pm »
I don't think it's a good idea.  

A. Kids need a break.
B. I don't think there are enough teachers for the amount of students we have.  If teachers were payed what they're actually worth maybe they'd spend more time caring about what they're teaching and more people would become teachers.

There are plenty of breaks.  They get 5 days off for Thanksgiving, 3 weeks off for Christmas break, a week off for spring break, plenty of random holidays off (MLK Day, Columbus Day if I remember right, Labor Day, etc.) and often two or more months during summer.  

They go to school on average for 180 days; that's less than half a year.  If we expect to be able to compete with other nations around the world -- which is extremely important -- then 180 days isn't going to cut it.  On an educational level, you cannot compete with students going up to 200 or more days a year.  It simply isn't a competition.

And yes, teachers should be payed more.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2009, 08:08:27 pm by liljp617 »

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Re: Should the schools in united states have less days for summer vacation
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2009, 08:13:05 pm »
No i think childeren should learn other things in life like being responsable and working

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