Stray Cats

[countrygirl12]

CountryGirl:

Taking care of stray cats is not as simple as you would like to think (especially if there are a lot of them). Food/water is their BASIC need. Cats need love/affection/medical care and a lot of things we humans need. They are funny, quirky, and social beings.

The reason they ear tip the kitty is because it is deemed to be "feral" which means it is NOT adoptable into someone else's home. So, rather than euthanize it, they spay/neuter and put it back where they found it because there is at least a chance that the animal knows the environment and knows where to find food. It is not right to euthanize animals for no other reason than there are too many of them especially since this is 100% the fault of humans for letting their unaltered cats outside. It is also highly important to spay/neuter that animal so it does not create more cats; THAT is why you do not just leave them there. Many people need animal groups to help them do things like this, especially if there are many of them. Animal groups also go around feeding cat colonies.

The reality is that this problem is solvable if people would make spaying/neutering their pets a number one priority.

I find your attitude off-putting (this is why you have problems with people). Rather than politely asking questions, you scoff at the work some of us are doing to help them.

LOL, I don't have problems with people.  And you are doing the same thing you are accusing me of.  You obviously missed what I said.  And I have no problems understanding cats or how the world works.  It is insane to trap a cat and spay or neuter it and then dump it back where you found it if the animal does not have a home.  You are basically putting it out to starve to death.  And you are making it somebody else's problem.  So basically it can either be put to sleep in the shelter or someone tired of it hanging around shoots it.  Fact is most people do not want a bunch of strays hanging around.  Doesn't make them bad people.

No, I don't want to see hundreds of cats put to sleep but that is reality.  I don't want 400 cats running around MY PROPERTY tearing up and damaging my things.  Yes, it is the fault of humans that refuse to get the animal fixed.

And FYI these ear tipped cats - they are not getting love, attention, nor medical care.  And they are also not vaccinated.  So NO I do not agree with this procedure unless you release them on someone's property who agrees to feed them and make sure they have water.

If you don't agree with me that is fine. But it doesn't make me wrong.

[sbenkoski]

CountryGirl:

Taking care of stray cats is not as simple as you would like to think (especially if there are a lot of them). Food/water is their BASIC need. Cats need love/affection/medical care and a lot of things we humans need. They are funny, quirky, and social beings.

The reason they ear tip the kitty is because it is deemed to be "feral" which means it is NOT adoptable into someone else's home. So, rather than euthanize it, they spay/neuter and put it back where they found it because there is at least a chance that the animal knows the environment and knows where to find food. It is not right to euthanize animals for no other reason than there are too many of them especially since this is 100% the fault of humans for letting their unaltered cats outside. It is also highly important to spay/neuter that animal so it does not create more cats; THAT is why you do not just leave them there. Many people need animal groups to help them do things like this, especially if there are many of them. Animal groups also go around feeding cat colonies.

The reality is that this problem is solvable if people would make spaying/neutering their pets a number one priority.

I find your attitude off-putting (this is why you have problems with people). Rather than politely asking questions, you scoff at the work some of us are doing to help them.

   

First off I LOVE animals !!   I also think its unfair to jump down her neck for saying what she thinks !  people get all worked up over JW's booger posts and then jump on someones back for
speaking what they feel... 
So have at me now !!
 

My area spend all its funds feeding cats and building houses for them for winter in -40 weather  and dose the fix the cat and dump them off....  Its not always people's faults there are 100's and 100's of wild cats  making 1000's of more cats!  And sending a cat to fend in -40 weather is just plain stupid!  There are so many clipped cats where i live i can't even have a bird feeder.  And every day i see cats being carried off by eagles to feed their young.  GOOD choice on clipping and wasting money to feed eagles ! 

[kaat1220]

No one jumped down her neck. I simply took offense at her making a complicated problem seem like a simple one by saying that taking care of stray cats is easy. It is by no means, easy. She directly quoted me and made it seem that my life's work was trivial. I take great offense at that. If she did not want a response, she should not have quoted my post.

And no, I disagree with both of you. If you do not work with ferals, you do not know what you are talking about.

People like you are the problem not the solution. When it becomes easy to solve a problem by saying "just put them to sleep," rather than finding a more compassionate answer, then you both have a sensitivity chip missing.

Putting a feral cat back on the street does not mean it is going to starve. I said that they put it back where they found it. Cats are good at finding food, and chances are, there is someone (sometimes, more than one person feeding them). Here, we feed ferals, and our neighbors often end up feeding some of the same cats. Plenty of people feed cats, and as stated before, Animal Groups go around and feed cat colonies regularly.

Do not tell me that euthanizing hundreds upon thousands are cats is the right thing to do under ANY circumstances. It is not solving anything. It does not get rid of them. It creates what is called the "vacuum effect." This means more move in when they sense the territory is free.

Is it a perfect system? No, but it's the best anyone else has come up with, AND makes it much easier for those who feed them to manage.

This assures that the 9 cats you said you were taking care of (benkowski) do not turn into hundreds.

Benkowski, the problem is 100% people's faults. People let their cats out without them being spayed/neutered, and they give birth on the streets. Not every kitten will be sociable and you have your first feral who gives birth to other ferals and on down the line. As for the Eagles, unfortunately, that is the chain of life. So, we should euthanize all cats in case they get taken out by another animal? Using that logic, why don't euthanize every single animal on the planet?

There are those of us who are out trying to help these animals and make things better.

Then, there are people like both of you, who do nothing to help the situation but are quick to say that euthanasia is a solution.

This is my last post to both of you because frankly, you are not adding anything to this conversation but ignorance.

The ignore button is a beautiful thing.

[o2bnocn]

Well that sounds very aggravating and like a hassle.

[santa7]

Orange County.  Animal countrol gave me a report # for T&R.  Still waiting for them to contact me about bringing a trap.  Thinking of calling another animal group as time is passing.  Thank you.

[sbenkoski]

No one jumped down her neck. I simply took offense at her making a complicated problem seem like a simple one by saying that taking care of stray cats is easy. It is by no means, easy. She directly quoted me and made it seem that my life's work was trivial. I take great offense at that. If she did not want a response, she should not have quoted my post.

And no, I disagree with both of you. If you do not work with ferals, you do not know what you are talking about.

People like you are the problem not the solution. When it becomes easy to solve a problem by saying "just put them to sleep," rather than finding a more compassionate answer, then you both have a sensitivity chip missing.

Putting a feral cat back on the street does not mean it is going to starve. I said that they put it back where they found it. Cats are good at finding food, and chances are, there is someone (sometimes, more than one person feeding them). Here, we feed ferals, and our neighbors often end up feeding some of the same cats. Plenty of people feed cats, and as stated before, Animal Groups go around and feed cat colonies regularly.

Do not tell me that euthanizing hundreds upon thousands are cats is the right thing to do under ANY circumstances. It is not solving anything. It does not get rid of them. It creates what is called the "vacuum effect." This means more move in when they sense the territory is free.

Is it a perfect system? No, but it's the best anyone else has come up with, AND makes it much easier for those who feed them to manage.

This assures that the 9 cats you said you were taking care of (benkowski) do not turn into hundreds.

Benkowski, the problem is 100% people's faults. People let their cats out without them being spayed/neutered, and they give birth on the streets. Not every kitten will be sociable and you have your first feral who gives birth to other ferals and on down the line. As for the Eagles, unfortunately, that is the chain of life. So, we should euthanize all cats in case they get taken out by another animal? Using that logic, why don't euthanize every single animal on the planet?

There are those of us who are out trying to help these animals and make things better.

Then, there are people like both of you, who do nothing to help the situation but are quick to say that euthanasia is a solution.

This is my last post to both of you because frankly, you are not adding anything to this conversation but ignorance.

The ignore button is a beautiful thing.

Euthanasia  where in my post did i say that ? seeing as you say you're being quoted , and if your going to use my user name  how about spelling it right !  I said here clipping and returning them is a waste of money. AND yes  the 9 out at my house have turned into at least 15 - 2 years ago and i saw 3 litters after that. So i'd guess 100's !  I believe in NO kill states , i'm not for putting any animal to sleep...   besides they end up in dog food because the shelters send  them to the rendering plants to sell to dog food companies ! I'd rather not have dead cats in my dogs food.

[kaat1220]

Santa7:

Orange County, Florida? I am double-checking because there are Orange Counties in several states.

[countrygirl12]

CountryGirl:

Taking care of stray cats is not as simple as you would like to think (especially if there are a lot of them). Food/water is their BASIC need. Cats need love/affection/medical care and a lot of things we humans need. They are funny, quirky, and social beings.

The reason they ear tip the kitty is because it is deemed to be "feral" which means it is NOT adoptable into someone else's home. So, rather than euthanize it, they spay/neuter and put it back where they found it because there is at least a chance that the animal knows the environment and knows where to find food. It is not right to euthanize animals for no other reason than there are too many of them especially since this is 100% the fault of humans for letting their unaltered cats outside. It is also highly important to spay/neuter that animal so it does not create more cats; THAT is why you do not just leave them there. Many people need animal groups to help them do things like this, especially if there are many of them. Animal groups also go around feeding cat colonies.

The reality is that this problem is solvable if people would make spaying/neutering their pets a number one priority.

I find your attitude off-putting (this is why you have problems with people). Rather than politely asking questions, you scoff at the work some of us are doing to help them.

   

First off I LOVE animals !!   I also think its unfair to jump down her neck for saying what she thinks !  people get all worked up over JW's booger posts and then jump on someones back for
speaking what they feel... 
So have at me now !!
 

My area spend all its funds feeding cats and building houses for them for winter in -40 weather  and dose the fix the cat and dump them off....  Its not always people's faults there are 100's and 100's of wild cats  making 1000's of more cats!  And sending a cat to fend in -40 weather is just plain stupid!  There are so many clipped cats where i live i can't even have a bird feeder.  And every day i see cats being carried off by eagles to feed their young.  GOOD choice on clipping and wasting money to feed eagles ! 

Thank you!  And that is another thing my neighbor's 40 cats do - run my birds off.

[countrygirl12]

No one jumped down her neck. I simply took offense at her making a complicated problem seem like a simple one by saying that taking care of stray cats is easy. It is by no means, easy. She directly quoted me and made it seem that my life's work was trivial. I take great offense at that. If she did not want a response, she should not have quoted my post.

And no, I disagree with both of you. If you do not work with ferals, you do not know what you are talking about.

People like you are the problem not the solution. When it becomes easy to solve a problem by saying "just put them to sleep," rather than finding a more compassionate answer, then you both have a sensitivity chip missing.

Putting a feral cat back on the street does not mean it is going to starve. I said that they put it back where they found it. Cats are good at finding food, and chances are, there is someone (sometimes, more than one person feeding them). Here, we feed ferals, and our neighbors often end up feeding some of the same cats. Plenty of people feed cats, and as stated before, Animal Groups go around and feed cat colonies regularly.

Do not tell me that euthanizing hundreds upon thousands are cats is the right thing to do under ANY circumstances. It is not solving anything. It does not get rid of them. It creates what is called the "vacuum effect." This means more move in when they sense the territory is free.

Is it a perfect system? No, but it's the best anyone else has come up with, AND makes it much easier for those who feed them to manage.

This assures that the 9 cats you said you were taking care of (benkowski) do not turn into hundreds.

Benkowski, the problem is 100% people's faults. People let their cats out without them being spayed/neutered, and they give birth on the streets. Not every kitten will be sociable and you have your first feral who gives birth to other ferals and on down the line. As for the Eagles, unfortunately, that is the chain of life. So, we should euthanize all cats in case they get taken out by another animal? Using that logic, why don't euthanize every single animal on the planet?

There are those of us who are out trying to help these animals and make things better.

Then, there are people like both of you, who do nothing to help the situation but are quick to say that euthanasia is a solution.

This is my last post to both of you because frankly, you are not adding anything to this conversation but ignorance.

The ignore button is a beautiful thing.

LOL.  You did jump down my throat and you are still doing it.  So you were offended. GET THE FLIP OVER IT!  How about YOU use the ignore button!  I didn't directly quote you on anything.  So we disagree with you. Let it be. You can't do that. You have to have the last word and you have to be right.  Well you aren't.  You seem to have a real attitude.  If you don't agree with me then I scream and stomp and yell and call names. 

I like animals and I like MY cats.  MY cats stay indoors and do not bother any one else.  I do not want wild or tame cats on my property that do not belong to me.  Trapping stay cats and spaying them or neutering them and then just taking them and dumping them back on the street is STUPID!  The cat is still homeless and has no where to get shelter or food.  It is basically fending for itself.  That is wrong.  If you are so concerned then you need to adopt them ALL and keep them IN YOUR HOUSE because I guarantee your neighbors do not want 400 cats in their yard.

You are seem to be one of the physcos who care more about an animal than a person.  I am curious do you care about the MILLIONS of babies that are MURDERED thru abortion every day? I doubt it.

[santa7]

They came by and left a trap yesterday and today picked up a cat but it was a male cat.  They're going to neuter it and bring it back and left me the trap in the meantime but I have to wait till Sunday to set the trap because they only work weekdays.  They call it T and R program.  They don't euthanize them.  They bring them back to you after they get them fixed.

[countrygirl12]

They came by and left a trap yesterday and today picked up a cat but it was a male cat.  They're going to neuter it and bring it back and left me the trap in the meantime but I have to wait till Sunday to set the trap because they only work weekdays.  They call it T and R program.  They don't euthanize them.  They bring them back to you after they get them fixed.

If you want them then that is fine. But if there is a problem with stray cats in a certain area and the people in that area do not want them then fixing them and bringing them back and setting them out only makes the problem worse. The cats are still a problem and a bother.

I know someone who done that and she agreed if the animal shelter would trap the cats and fix them she would provide outdoor shelter and feed them. She does. They stay on her porch but they are all wild and no one can pet them. But they get fed til they go off and die. But where she lives if would not be fair to bring them back and dump them at her house if she didn't want them there.  That is all I was saying to start with when somebody had to get all bent out of shape and take things personal lol.

That and people need to understand they need to get their MALE as well as female cats fixed if they are going to let them roam outdoors. I know a lot of people don't bother getting their males fixed because they don't have to deal with kittens.

[patti4me]

I love cats but especially kittens.  We had cats in the house for several years but when our last one died I gladly threw away the litter box and decided I didn't ever want another one.  I still love them but just not in my house lol

[aflyingmonkey]

I don't have a lot of cats roaming the neighborhood where I live, a couple are neighbors' pets I think... they just walk around & patrol.

I feed the birds in my backyard with seeds & bread... we like to watch them.  So I really don't want stray cats around to eat the birds.  We had a neighbor cat catch one of the doves & it was tramatizing for us all.  Thankfully that was only time.   

It's pretty regulated here on how many animals someone can have.  Outdoor cats don't surive out here too long... there are coyotes & hawks & cars...

[jwkelly]

On youtube so many replies by one poster on a subject is considered spamming either it's ridiculous to comment so much on 1 topic.

[countrygirl12]

On youtube so many replies by one poster on a subject is considered spamming either it's ridiculous to comment so much on 1 topic.

LOL THEN WHY ARE YOU DOING IT?