SCotUS Decision on Texas Abortion Regulations

[JediJohnnie]

The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.

If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.

So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?

We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience.  This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.

No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.

My body.  My choice. 

So if you want to commit murder, is that also none of my business because it's your choice? There's a logic that you're trying desperately to avoid. We're not in the Dark Ages here. As a "civilized" society we can't be so callus to the plight of the slaughter of millions that goes on at a daily basis. All for the sake of "convenience". 

If I want to commit murder of a living breathing soul, yes, you have the duty to stop me.
But to deny my right to the control of my own body is unacceptable.
My body does not belong to you.  It doesn't belong to the government, and it doesn't belong to the church.

You cannot use your body to commit murder and abortion is ostensibly legalized murder.   

As I said, my body belongs to me.  My choice, as to what and how I use it.

62% of abortions are sought by religious women.  24% are Catholic. 
Clean out your own house first.

I'm...not Catholic.

But I think this pretty much goes to what others have said. Some people are just pro-abortion.Plain & simple. Kill'em all. Who cares, right? Not even the pretense that we ought to make the practice as rare as humanly possible. 

[JediJohnnie]

Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.

Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.

Her choice is not your business.  Her reasons are not so simple.

https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives

Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.

Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.

Exactly.

[JediJohnnie]

Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.

Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.

Her choice is not your business.  Her reasons are not so simple.

https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives

Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.

Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.

I agree.
It's inconvenient to have a child to feed when you can't feed yourself.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're homeless, living in your car.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're fleeing from a man that beats you.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're raped, and have to drop out of college.  While you're rapist not only continues his education, but the state gives him visitation rights to the child.
It's inconvenient to die in childbirth, but what the heck-women do it every day.

It is a woman's right to determine the course of her own life.  Without justifying her choices to anyone else.
Because when it's all said and done, she is the one who will bear the burden of her choice.

There's a baby that will bear the burden of that choice, but it isn't the only choice available.
You can choose abstinence.
You can choose to use protection or any methods of birth control readily available to prevent pregnancy.
You can choose to put the baby up for adoption. There are 36 couples waiting to adopt for every one baby put up for adoption.

Yes, woman die in childbirth. Health risks to the mother account for 0.8% of all abortions. This the fourth time I've acknowledged that. Cases of rape account for 0.3% of abortions. Various other reasons including incest, mental health of the woman, and health of the baby account for 0.6%. That leaves 98.3% of abortions occur when there are (a) two consenting partners, (b) healthy mother
and (c) healthy baby. Given that there are couples out there that would love to raise your child if you choose not do, how is killing the baby even an option? For as much progress as society has made, we are behind the times in this area.

Yes, there seems to be this myth that there's a high abortion count over rapes, but that clearly isn't the case. In any regard, we ought to make adoption the preferred choice. As you said, there's also many who can't have children and desperately try to adopt.

[JediJohnnie]

The real question is who made us so "wise" as to decide who lives and who dies? Can you honestly look in a child's face and say "You really shouldn't exist. Your parents didn't want you. You should have been aborted."? Has Mankind become so hard hearted that we think we know better than our Creator the purpose to which we serve? Who among us are worthy to live and survive? There's going to come a time of reckoning for every ill deed committed. And we'll have to answer to the Great Judge of all Mankind. Are you willing to tell Him His creations were an inconvenience and needed to be destroyed?

[paints]

Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.

Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.

Her choice is not your business.  Her reasons are not so simple.

https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives

Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.

Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.

I agree.
It's inconvenient to have a child to feed when you can't feed yourself.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're homeless, living in your car.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're fleeing from a man that beats you.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're raped, and have to drop out of college.  While you're rapist not only continues his education, but the state gives him visitation rights to the child.
It's inconvenient to die in childbirth, but what the heck-women do it every day.

It is a woman's right to determine the course of her own life.  Without justifying her choices to anyone else.
Because when it's all said and done, she is the one who will bear the burden of her choice.

There's a baby that will bear the burden of that choice, but it isn't the only choice available.
You can choose abstinence.
You can choose to use protection or any methods of birth control readily available to prevent pregnancy.
You can choose to put the baby up for adoption. There are 36 couples waiting to adopt for every one baby put up for adoption.

Yes, woman die in childbirth. Health risks to the mother account for 0.8% of all abortions. This the fourth time I've acknowledged that. Cases of rape account for 0.3% of abortions. Various other reasons including incest, mental health of the woman, and health of the baby account for 0.6%. That leaves 98.3% of abortions occur when there are (a) two consenting partners, (b) healthy mother
and (c) healthy baby. Given that there are couples out there that would love to raise your child if you choose not do, how is killing the baby even an option? For as much progress as society has made, we are behind the times in this area.

No, your percentages are about abortions, not women who die in childbirth.
Maternal mortality rates are about women who die.  The US has the highest maternal mortality rate in a developed country.
The maternal mortality rate in Texas doubled when they started closing clinics.

When you reduce women to incubators, and our children to commodities to be bought and sold,  Women are better off choosing their own path.

The number of children that live out their childhood in foster care puts the lie to "so many couples" wanting to adopt.  It's obscene to demand that a woman continue a pregnancy so someone else can have a baby.

My body. My choice. My business. 

[paints]

The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.

If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.

So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?

We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience.  This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.

No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.

My body.  My choice. 

So if you want to commit murder, is that also none of my business because it's your choice? There's a logic that you're trying desperately to avoid. We're not in the Dark Ages here. As a "civilized" society we can't be so callus to the plight of the slaughter of millions that goes on at a daily basis. All for the sake of "convenience". 

If I want to commit murder of a living breathing soul, yes, you have the duty to stop me.
But to deny my right to the control of my own body is unacceptable.
My body does not belong to you.  It doesn't belong to the government, and it doesn't belong to the church.

You cannot use your body to commit murder and abortion is ostensibly legalized murder.   

As I said, my body belongs to me.  My choice, as to what and how I use it.

62% of abortions are sought by religious women.  24% are Catholic. 
Clean out your own house first.

I'm...not Catholic.

But I think this pretty much goes to what others have said. Some people are just pro-abortion.Plain & simple. Kill'em all. Who cares, right? Not even the pretense that we ought to make the practice as rare as humanly possible. 

It was a Catholic bishop who said, "Kill 'em all, and let God sort it out."

I'm not pro-abortion.  I'm a realist.  Having a baby is not a walk in the park.  Idealizing pregnancy and its' risks is foolish. 
Give women accurate information, and let them make their own choices.  They're capable.

[hawkeye3210]

Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.

Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.

Her choice is not your business.  Her reasons are not so simple.

https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives

Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.

Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.

I agree.
It's inconvenient to have a child to feed when you can't feed yourself.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're homeless, living in your car.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're fleeing from a man that beats you.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're raped, and have to drop out of college.  While you're rapist not only continues his education, but the state gives him visitation rights to the child.
It's inconvenient to die in childbirth, but what the heck-women do it every day.

It is a woman's right to determine the course of her own life.  Without justifying her choices to anyone else.
Because when it's all said and done, she is the one who will bear the burden of her choice.

There's a baby that will bear the burden of that choice, but it isn't the only choice available.
You can choose abstinence.
You can choose to use protection or any methods of birth control readily available to prevent pregnancy.
You can choose to put the baby up for adoption. There are 36 couples waiting to adopt for every one baby put up for adoption.

Yes, woman die in childbirth. Health risks to the mother account for 0.8% of all abortions. This the fourth time I've acknowledged that. Cases of rape account for 0.3% of abortions. Various other reasons including incest, mental health of the woman, and health of the baby account for 0.6%. That leaves 98.3% of abortions occur when there are (a) two consenting partners, (b) healthy mother
and (c) healthy baby. Given that there are couples out there that would love to raise your child if you choose not do, how is killing the baby even an option? For as much progress as society has made, we are behind the times in this area.

No, your percentages are about abortions, not women who die in childbirth.
Maternal mortality rates are about women who die.  The US has the highest maternal mortality rate in a developed country.
The maternal mortality rate in Texas doubled when they started closing clinics.

When you reduce women to incubators, and our children to commodities to be bought and sold,  Women are better off choosing their own path.

The number of children that live out their childhood in foster care puts the lie to "so many couples" wanting to adopt.  It's obscene to demand that a woman continue a pregnancy so someone else can have a baby.

My body. My choice. My business. 

There are roughly 50x more abortions for woman's health issues than there are actual death's from childbirth. Nice try.

[paints]

Paints....what do you mean by religeous woman?Woman who just believe in God?Or someone who lives by HIS word?

If it was the the latter,i can assure you the % of abortions wouldnt be that high!!

Lip service doesnt cut it.Faith without works is dead.

Hitch, religious means that they identified themselves as religious.  Catholic, protestant, evangelical, Jewish, etc.

[paints]

Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.

Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.

Her choice is not your business.  Her reasons are not so simple.

https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives

Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.

Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.

I agree.
It's inconvenient to have a child to feed when you can't feed yourself.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're homeless, living in your car.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're fleeing from a man that beats you.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're raped, and have to drop out of college.  While you're rapist not only continues his education, but the state gives him visitation rights to the child.
It's inconvenient to die in childbirth, but what the heck-women do it every day.

It is a woman's right to determine the course of her own life.  Without justifying her choices to anyone else.
Because when it's all said and done, she is the one who will bear the burden of her choice.

There's a baby that will bear the burden of that choice, but it isn't the only choice available.
You can choose abstinence.
You can choose to use protection or any methods of birth control readily available to prevent pregnancy.
You can choose to put the baby up for adoption. There are 36 couples waiting to adopt for every one baby put up for adoption.

Yes, woman die in childbirth. Health risks to the mother account for 0.8% of all abortions. This the fourth time I've acknowledged that. Cases of rape account for 0.3% of abortions. Various other reasons including incest, mental health of the woman, and health of the baby account for 0.6%. That leaves 98.3% of abortions occur when there are (a) two consenting partners, (b) healthy mother
and (c) healthy baby. Given that there are couples out there that would love to raise your child if you choose not do, how is killing the baby even an option? For as much progress as society has made, we are behind the times in this area.

No, your percentages are about abortions, not women who die in childbirth.
Maternal mortality rates are about women who die.  The US has the highest maternal mortality rate in a developed country.
The maternal mortality rate in Texas doubled when they started closing clinics.

When you reduce women to incubators, and our children to commodities to be bought and sold,  Women are better off choosing their own path.

The number of children that live out their childhood in foster care puts the lie to "so many couples" wanting to adopt.  It's obscene to demand that a woman continue a pregnancy so someone else can have a baby.

My body. My choice. My business. 

There are roughly 50x more abortions for woman's health issues than there are actual death's from childbirth. Nice try.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pregnancy-related-deaths-are-inexcusably-high-in-the-us_us_57b601d8e4b0b51733a20d56?section

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/texas-maternal-mortality-rate-health-clinics-funding?CMP=share_btn_fb

http://www.ipsnews.net/2016/08/one-humanity-millions-of-children-tortured-smuggled-abused-enslaved/

[hitch0403]

Prov 14:12 sums it all up

12 There exists a way that is upright before a man,+ but the ways of death are the ways after it.

Of course in this ungodly world many could care less about this saying.But there are some who do realize that man has dominated himself to his own injury since the rebellion in Eden!

Mankinds history speaks volumes how RIGHT the bible is.

[JediJohnnie]

The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.

If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.

So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?

We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience.  This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.

No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.

My body.  My choice. 

So if you want to commit murder, is that also none of my business because it's your choice? There's a logic that you're trying desperately to avoid. We're not in the Dark Ages here. As a "civilized" society we can't be so callus to the plight of the slaughter of millions that goes on at a daily basis. All for the sake of "convenience". 

If I want to commit murder of a living breathing soul, yes, you have the duty to stop me.
But to deny my right to the control of my own body is unacceptable.
My body does not belong to you.  It doesn't belong to the government, and it doesn't belong to the church.

You cannot use your body to commit murder and abortion is ostensibly legalized murder.   

As I said, my body belongs to me.  My choice, as to what and how I use it.

62% of abortions are sought by religious women.  24% are Catholic. 
Clean out your own house first.

I'm...not Catholic.

But I think this pretty much goes to what others have said. Some people are just pro-abortion.Plain & simple. Kill'em all. Who cares, right? Not even the pretense that we ought to make the practice as rare as humanly possible. 

It was a Catholic bishop who said, "Kill 'em all, and let God sort it out."

I'm not pro-abortion.  I'm a realist.  Having a baby is not a walk in the park.  Idealizing pregnancy and its' risks is foolish. 
Give women accurate information, and let them make their own choices.  They're capable.

Having a choice that leads to the death of an innocent child should never  be an option. There are people that want to adopt children out there, y'know.

[paints]

The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.

If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.

So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?

We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience.  This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.

No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.

My body.  My choice. 

So if you want to commit murder, is that also none of my business because it's your choice? There's a logic that you're trying desperately to avoid. We're not in the Dark Ages here. As a "civilized" society we can't be so callus to the plight of the slaughter of millions that goes on at a daily basis. All for the sake of "convenience". 

If I want to commit murder of a living breathing soul, yes, you have the duty to stop me.
But to deny my right to the control of my own body is unacceptable.
My body does not belong to you.  It doesn't belong to the government, and it doesn't belong to the church.

You cannot use your body to commit murder and abortion is ostensibly legalized murder.   

As I said, my body belongs to me.  My choice, as to what and how I use it.

62% of abortions are sought by religious women.  24% are Catholic. 
Clean out your own house first.

I'm...not Catholic.

But I think this pretty much goes to what others have said. Some people are just pro-abortion.Plain & simple. Kill'em all. Who cares, right? Not even the pretense that we ought to make the practice as rare as humanly possible. 

It was a Catholic bishop who said, "Kill 'em all, and let God sort it out."

I'm not pro-abortion.  I'm a realist.  Having a baby is not a walk in the park.  Idealizing pregnancy and its' risks is foolish. 
Give women accurate information, and let them make their own choices.  They're capable.

Having a choice that leads to the death of an innocent child should never  be an option. There are people that want to adopt children out there, y'know.

The abortion debate has never been about children.  It has always, from the beginning, been about keeping women in their "place."
Not the place God put them, mind you, but the place men decided they should occupy.

If we want to protect innocent children, maybe we should stop bombing their countries.
Maybe, when an adult male rapes a two-year old, we could put him in jail, instead of letting him go, because "he wouldn't do well in jail."
Maybe we could see that no child goes to bed hungry, or starves to death.
Maybe we could see that no child lives in a homeless shelter or on the streets.

To do that, we'd have to change the way we think. About children, about families, and about our own destructive behaviors, as a society.

It's much easier to blame the woman.