Orlando, Florida Massacre

[hawkeye3210]

I haven't agreed or disagreed with anything you have said in regards to religion. You've been having a one sided conversation with yourself.

[hitch0403]

I haven't agreed or disagreed with anything you have said in regards to religion. You've been having a one sided conversation with yourself.

That was too EZ!!!

[paints]

Before we go blaming radical Islam,  we might want to check radical Christianity. 

The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/

And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious? 

Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.

It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar. 

They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion.  They were targeted because they were gay.

And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians.  I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic  Jews.

Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet?  We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria.  We're there.

"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war.  Targeting gays does not.

Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.

So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity?  Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?

We don't. 

Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.

Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.

That's silly.  It's not Christianity that outrages me. 
It's the utter and complete hypocrisy.

And yes, we have Christian terrorists in this country, killing people in the name of their religion.

How many abortion clinics have been shot up, firebombed, and people killed, in the name of some idiots' religious beliefs?

How many LGBT people have been beat up or killed?
How many black/brown people have been targeted/lynched/murdered by nominal christians?
How many Native Americans have been targeted because of who they were?

Preach white male supremacy from the pulpit, and you get dead people.
Preach anti-gay in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get dead people.
Preach anti-woman garbage in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get rapists who get off with probation, if they ever make it to court at all.  And you get dead women.

I don't care about cakes.  Bake or don't bake, but own it. 

[JediJohnnie]

JJ it is you who hasnt a clue.

Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of the world......not sure how u tie in thinking u understand bible and still wave a flag for good ol usa.

Hes also made GODs name known as mentioned in Lords prayer!!Hes also sent out his followers preaching/teaching in over 240 lands Gods kingdom!!

You bring up worldly garbage like xmas etc....stuff thats NOT even in bible.And you say i dont understand what xtian means!!LOL!!

Some good advice.Wake-up from your star-trek fantasy world and realize there are some serious issues here in the real world!!

Your insults avail you nothing hitch. Wake up and realize you're  the one not living in the real world. You live in AMERICA. And you ought to thank God EVERY DAY that people fought and died to found this country so you can have the freedom to spew your nonsense. While you're at it, thank God that you don't live in one of the several countries that would execute you for believing what you do.

Insults...LOL!The truth M'Boy!!What is freedom in this country that other countrys dont have?To smoke pot in Colo?To see gays married?To buys guns?I obey the laws,pay my taxes,honor God and try to love my neighbor!You thank your Babylon the Great god for your Rah Rah USA wars!!I know Jehovah didnt approve of them.And yes someday i might have to die for the truth NOT this dumb satanic world you worship.You insult God by everything you just said.Certainly NOT your god of this system....u play right into his hands.You dont see what Jehovahs visible organization has done over the years.You know why?Cos your heart condition isnt acceptable to JEHOVAH!!!What is your gods name......."i am".....LOL!!!!Ill tell you...Its Satan!!!Ruler of this world that Jesus said he was NO part of .Glorify it......go bow down to your flag!!!

The USA is a modern day Sodom!!!And you worship it and then try to say you understand the bible!!The main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom <government>thru HIS son Jesus and the VINDICATION Jehovah is the TRUE GOD!!!

Stop wasting your time on me.Go prepare for your July 4th celebration and be careful playing in traffic with your flag!!

You have the right to criticize your country's government and continue calling it satanic in America. Good luck trying to do that in several countries elsewhere. No earthly government is going to be perfect. But the U.S was founded on Christian principles. "One Nation Under God". That's what we celebrate. Not our nation's leaders. Read a history book sometime. Preferably one not authored by the Watchtower.

But we've gone over this a thousand times,hitch. You're theology makes no sense. You compared a blessed day like Christmas, where we celebrate the glorious birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, to paganism because it was established to rival a pagan feast. Yet when your Memorial lands on any day of the week, by your own logic, you're celebrating paganism! Your Memorial landed on Wednesday this year, correct? Then you just celebrated Odin! The Nose god whom Wednesday was named! Such Hypocrisy that the Pharisees themselves would blush!

The whole world lies in power of wicked one.Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world for an act of worship.Man RU blind!!Jesus was killed on Nisan 14 Jewish claendar.That day differs everyyear cos of our calendar.Why dont you read up on how to figure it out every yr with Full moon.Jesus commanded his death be memorialized.Man how can someone as foolish as you NOT see any of this who thinks he knows bible.Your xmas isnt even mentioned or 12/25 but we know every yr Passover.Its ok....i know you are a US rah rah that mixes your BS with bible.Friendship with world is enmity with God says bible.Wake-up!!

And again as usual, I refer you back to scripture where the Apostle Paul says:
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.
Romans 14:5-6

You are judging hypocritically. The scriptures do not forbid celebrating Christ's Birth. Remember, Judge not, lest you be judged.

And it makes no difference what day of the week, day,month of the year we celebrate.As long as-and again I quote  Paul: Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.

You continue to strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

[hawkeye3210]

Before we go blaming radical Islam,  we might want to check radical Christianity. 

The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/

And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious? 

Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.

It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar. 

They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion.  They were targeted because they were gay.

And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians.  I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic  Jews.

Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet?  We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria.  We're there.

"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war.  Targeting gays does not.

Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.

So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity?  Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?

We don't. 

Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.

Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.

That's silly.  It's not Christianity that outrages me. 
It's the utter and complete hypocrisy.

And yes, we have Christian terrorists in this country, killing people in the name of their religion.

How many abortion clinics have been shot up, firebombed, and people killed, in the name of some idiots' religious beliefs?

How many LGBT people have been beat up or killed?
How many black/brown people have been targeted/lynched/murdered by nominal christians?
How many Native Americans have been targeted because of who they were?

Preach white male supremacy from the pulpit, and you get dead people.
Preach anti-gay in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get dead people.
Preach anti-woman garbage in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get rapists who get off with probation, if they ever make it to court at all.  And you get dead women.

I don't care about cakes.  Bake or don't bake, but own it. 

There's been 11 deaths in connection to abortion clinic shootings since 1990. A radical Islamist just killed 49 in Orlando. Including Orlando, in the past week radical Islamists have killed at 398 people in more than a dozen countries.

That's the comparison you want to make? Over 27,000 killings last year alone by Islamic radicals and we shouldn't rush to blame radical Islam? Christianity isn't free from its own faults, but let's not act like its comparable.

[JediJohnnie]

Before we go blaming radical Islam,  we might want to check radical Christianity. 

The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/

And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious? 

Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.

It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar. 

They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion.  They were targeted because they were gay.

And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians.  I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic  Jews.

Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet?  We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria.  We're there.

"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war.  Targeting gays does not.

Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.

So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity?  Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?

We don't. 

Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.

Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.

That's silly.  It's not Christianity that outrages me. 
It's the utter and complete hypocrisy.

And yes, we have Christian terrorists in this country, killing people in the name of their religion.

How many abortion clinics have been shot up, firebombed, and people killed, in the name of some idiots' religious beliefs?

How many LGBT people have been beat up or killed?
How many black/brown people have been targeted/lynched/murdered by nominal christians?
How many Native Americans have been targeted because of who they were?

Preach white male supremacy from the pulpit, and you get dead people.
Preach anti-gay in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get dead people.
Preach anti-woman garbage in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get rapists who get off with probation, if they ever make it to court at all.  And you get dead women.

I don't care about cakes.  Bake or don't bake, but own it. 

I don't know what you hope to accomplish with this line of argument. That people that profess to be Christians can commit atrocities?  Uh, yeah. It can't be denied. But Christianity doesn't have terrorist cells that organize high scale attacks on peaceful foreign nations. That's kind of a big difference between both religion's "radicals".   

[hitch0403]

JJ to save time i have put up a link RE your scripture in Romans RE what Paul said.......i also wanna mention if Bin Laden thought 9/11 was special i guess the Lord approves eh......cos u know Bin Laden certainly did,plus i am sure he thought his god did too!

http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2011/12/examining-romans-146.html

Much of that scripture was meant for Mosaic law that changed after Jesus was killed.You forget how many wanted to punish Jesus when he cured someone on the Sabbath and then he told them they would save their mule if it fell in a ditch.

Your heart is NOT acceptable to God...thats why you dont discern.....you decide for yourself what is good and bad as satan told Eve.Pagan gods originate with your thinking.Something detestable to Jehovah.

I would also like to add you asked me to go read some history books?Well first off i reference everything from the bible and there have been some references from Encyclopedia Brit!!YES...even about Xmas!!Did the WB&TS write the encyclopedia too???Seriously JJ,as i said you mix your BS with bible!!Is your religeon <whatever it is>keeping Gods name HOLY and preaching worldwide Gods kingdom???

You are a USA RAH RAH!!

[JediJohnnie]

You can't seriously equate Bin Ladin killing thousands to Christians celebrating Christmas,can you? That was Bin Ladin's "special day" to honor the Lord? A bit different from opening gifts and hanging lights,eh? If you can't see the difference, I'm not going to spell it out for you.

Again, regarding your overriding fear of paganism, you are being overly paranoid where there's no reason to be. Christians celebrate Christmas to honor the Lord. Just because it wasn't commanded in Scripture doesn't mean it's forbidden. Again, I refer to Romans 14.

You are misinterpreting James 4:4 "You adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore, whoever chooses to be a friend of the world renders himself an enemy of God."

That doesn't mean we're forbidden from cerebrating birthdays and civic holidays. It means we're not to adopt the behaviors that the world deems acceptable, when God clearly states it's not.

A good example is homosexuality. The world at large will shun you for saying it's an "Abomination" in the sight of God. But as a Christian, I can't just go along and say "Well, the majority thinks it's 'OK' now. They must be right." I have stay true to God's Word. Again I say, you're clinging to the letter of the law and not the heart of the law.

And again, it could be anything. Fornication, Prostitution, Pornography, whatever. You become an enemy of God when you advocate things the world accepts as 'OK' when God has prohibited it.

[hitch0403]

Celebrations that have arised from pagan gods is whats detestable to God.He doesnt say mankind shouldnt be happy Jesus was born.The angel Gabriel rejoiced to the shepards when he was born.We know every yr the date of Passover cos Jesus commanded to us to remember it.There is no date in bible when he was born.If that was important enuff i am sure God would have included it.

RE Bin Laden.RU kidding me!!He BSed his people they would be in paradise with allah for their BS!!Yes i would very much equate if you wanna use ANY date surely 9/11 was 1 for him to celebrate to his god!!

You can have celebrations etc...but when they have their roots with false gods...the bible says stop touching the unclean thing.

Its also like some like to use a cross,statue for when they pray.God is very VOCAL about NOT bowing down to dead things.Jesus said worship God with spirit and truth only!!

[heypeg]

So sad

[LaTashaS28]

This is very sad

[paints]

Before we go blaming radical Islam,  we might want to check radical Christianity. 

The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/

And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious? 

Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.

It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar. 

They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion.  They were targeted because they were gay.

And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians.  I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic  Jews.

Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet?  We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria.  We're there.

"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war.  Targeting gays does not.

Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.

So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity?  Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?

We don't. 

Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.

Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.

That's silly.  It's not Christianity that outrages me. 
It's the utter and complete hypocrisy.

And yes, we have Christian terrorists in this country, killing people in the name of their religion.

How many abortion clinics have been shot up, firebombed, and people killed, in the name of some idiots' religious beliefs?

How many LGBT people have been beat up or killed?
How many black/brown people have been targeted/lynched/murdered by nominal christians?
How many Native Americans have been targeted because of who they were?

Preach white male supremacy from the pulpit, and you get dead people.
Preach anti-gay in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get dead people.
Preach anti-woman garbage in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get rapists who get off with probation, if they ever make it to court at all.  And you get dead women.

I don't care about cakes.  Bake or don't bake, but own it. 

There's been 11 deaths in connection to abortion clinic shootings since 1990. A radical Islamist just killed 49 in Orlando. Including Orlando, in the past week radical Islamists have killed at 398 people in more than a dozen countries.

That's the comparison you want to make? Over 27,000 killings last year alone by Islamic radicals and we shouldn't rush to blame radical Islam? Christianity isn't free from its own faults, but let's not act like its comparable.

Hawkeye, this was being reported as "the largest mass shooting in US history."
A cursory Google search will tell you that's not true. 

Radical Islam is the current bogeyman. 
If you check through US history, we've had a long line of bogeymen.
The question is, why?
Who profits?

ISIS is to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity.

[ricdsm]

I have spent my career (35 years) providing treatment to folks with chronic mental illness.  Out of the thousands I've worked with, I can only remember one that I thought was violence waiting to happen.  I think we like to blame this sort of thing on Mental Illness.  It helps us make some sense of it.  It is really about a far more basic human problem and that is hatred and evilness.  Traits that can live deep within all of us.

[hawkeye3210]

Before we go blaming radical Islam,  we might want to check radical Christianity. 

The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/

And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious? 

Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.

It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar. 

They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion.  They were targeted because they were gay.

And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians.  I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic  Jews.

Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet?  We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria.  We're there.

"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war.  Targeting gays does not.

Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.

So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity?  Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?

We don't. 

Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.

Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.

That's silly.  It's not Christianity that outrages me. 
It's the utter and complete hypocrisy.

And yes, we have Christian terrorists in this country, killing people in the name of their religion.

How many abortion clinics have been shot up, firebombed, and people killed, in the name of some idiots' religious beliefs?

How many LGBT people have been beat up or killed?
How many black/brown people have been targeted/lynched/murdered by nominal christians?
How many Native Americans have been targeted because of who they were?

Preach white male supremacy from the pulpit, and you get dead people.
Preach anti-gay in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get dead people.
Preach anti-woman garbage in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get rapists who get off with probation, if they ever make it to court at all.  And you get dead women.

I don't care about cakes.  Bake or don't bake, but own it. 

There's been 11 deaths in connection to abortion clinic shootings since 1990. A radical Islamist just killed 49 in Orlando. Including Orlando, in the past week radical Islamists have killed at 398 people in more than a dozen countries.

That's the comparison you want to make? Over 27,000 killings last year alone by Islamic radicals and we shouldn't rush to blame radical Islam? Christianity isn't free from its own faults, but let's not act like its comparable.

Hawkeye, this was being reported as "the largest mass shooting in US history."
A cursory Google search will tell you that's not true. 

Radical Islam is the current bogeyman. 
If you check through US history, we've had a long line of bogeymen.
The question is, why?
Who profits?

ISIS is to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity.

The UN has declared that ISIS is guilty of genocide against Yazidis. Yes, genocide. This happening right now in world today and not in some history textbook. But its not just ISIS. Al-Qaida, Boko Haram, Hamas, Hezbollah, Taliban, etc. are all Radical Islam groups.

Yes, the Klan was a horrific group that was guilty of many horrific crimes. They killed almost 3,960 African Americans between 1877 to 1950. It's a dark make in American history, and is thankfully largely irrelevant today.
Now, ISIS and similar ilk are killing tens of thousands today, but warrant no special attention? Just the bogeyman?

[JediJohnnie]

Celebrations that have arised from pagan gods is whats detestable to God.He doesnt say mankind shouldnt be happy Jesus was born.The angel Gabriel rejoiced to the shepards when he was born.We know every yr the date of Passover cos Jesus commanded to us to remember it.There is no date in bible when he was born.If that was important enuff i am sure God would have included it.

RE Bin Laden.RU kidding me!!He BSed his people they would be in paradise with allah for their BS!!Yes i would very much equate if you wanna use ANY date surely 9/11 was 1 for him to celebrate to his god!!

You can have celebrations etc...but when they have their roots with false gods...the bible says stop touching the unclean thing.

Its also like some like to use a cross,statue for when they pray.God is very VOCAL about NOT bowing down to dead things.Jesus said worship God with spirit and truth only!!

No one who celebrates Christmas is celebrating pagan gods! They're Celebrating J E S U S!!!!!
JESUS!!!!!
Bin Ladin didn't even believe in the Christian God to begin with, so I don't know why he's even part of this conversation. He's where he belongs now.

Christians don't worship statues, but owning a piece of art that resembles biblical scenes or characters isn't the same as bowing down to idols.