Orlando, Florida Massacre

[paints]

Before we go blaming radical Islam,  we might want to check radical Christianity. 

The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/

And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious? 

Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.

It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar. 

They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion.  They were targeted because they were gay.

And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians.  I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic  Jews.

Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet?  We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria.  We're there.

"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war.  Targeting gays does not.

Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.

So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity?  Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?

We don't. 

[hawkeye3210]

Before we go blaming radical Islam,  we might want to check radical Christianity. 

The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/

And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious? 

Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.

It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar. 

They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion.  They were targeted because they were gay.

And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians.  I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic  Jews.

Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet?  We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria.  We're there.

"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war.  Targeting gays does not.

Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.

So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity?  Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?

We don't. 

Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.

Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.

[autumnsparklemom]

This isn't a mental issue, this is a terror issue.  ISIS is here in this country all ready and will only be getting worse. I have depression, I know others with Bi-Polar. I believe most of the people with mental issues know right from wrong.

[hitch0403]

JJ it is you who hasnt a clue.

Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of the world......not sure how u tie in thinking u understand bible and still wave a flag for good ol usa.

Hes also made GODs name known as mentioned in Lords prayer!!Hes also sent out his followers preaching/teaching in over 240 lands Gods kingdom!!

You bring up worldly garbage like xmas etc....stuff thats NOT even in bible.And you say i dont understand what xtian means!!LOL!!

Some good advice.Wake-up from your star-trek fantasy world and realize there are some serious issues here in the real world!!

Your insults avail you nothing hitch. Wake up and realize you're  the one not living in the real world. You live in AMERICA. And you ought to thank God EVERY DAY that people fought and died to found this country so you can have the freedom to spew your nonsense. While you're at it, thank God that you don't live in one of the several countries that would execute you for believing what you do.

Insults...LOL!The truth M'Boy!!What is freedom in this country that other countrys dont have?To smoke pot in Colo?To see gays married?To buys guns?I obey the laws,pay my taxes,honor God and try to love my neighbor!You thank your Babylon the Great god for your Rah Rah USA wars!!I know Jehovah didnt approve of them.And yes someday i might have to die for the truth NOT this dumb satanic world you worship.You insult God by everything you just said.Certainly NOT your god of this system....u play right into his hands.You dont see what Jehovahs visible organization has done over the years.You know why?Cos your heart condition isnt acceptable to JEHOVAH!!!What is your gods name......."i am".....LOL!!!!Ill tell you...Its Satan!!!Ruler of this world that Jesus said he was NO part of .Glorify it......go bow down to your flag!!!

The USA is a modern day Sodom!!!And you worship it and then try to say you understand the bible!!The main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom <government>thru HIS son Jesus and the VINDICATION Jehovah is the TRUE GOD!!!

Stop wasting your time on me.Go prepare for your July 4th celebration and be careful playing in traffic with your flag!!

[hitch0403]

It is you who doesnt listen Hawkeye....when the bible speaks of Babylon The Great,that means ALLLLLLLLLLL religeons!!!You are differentiating between Muslims and so called others that call themselves Xtian.

Governments soon will wipe ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of them out!!!Jehovahs people will still be standing.And then they are attacked!It will be like touching Gods eyeball!!

I think you can tell from history of bible the TRUE God stands behind his people.Go read about Pharoah.And please dont waste my time even answering cos i know you dont support bible.

[hawkeye3210]

It is you who doesnt listen Hawkeye....when the bible speaks of Babylon The Great,that means ALLLLLLLLLLL religeons!!!You are differentiating between Muslims and so called others that call themselves Xtian.

Governments soon will wipe ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of them out!!!Jehovahs people will still be standing.And then they are attacked!It will be like touching Gods eyeball!!

I think you can tell from history of bible the TRUE God stands behind his people.Go read about Pharoah.And please dont waste my time even answering cos i know you dont support bible.

The bible doesn't have anything to do with what I posted. That doesn't mean I don't support the bible either. You're so far off from what I actually said that isn't worth my time.

[Segun15]

i do not think that he was bipolor or mentally ill. its because that he was brain washed by isis. and he was  brain washed to get againist anything that is not there race or religion or sexual orintation.

[hitch0403]

It is you who doesnt listen Hawkeye....when the bible speaks of Babylon The Great,that means ALLLLLLLLLLL religeons!!!You are differentiating between Muslims and so called others that call themselves Xtian.

Governments soon will wipe ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of them out!!!Jehovahs people will still be standing.And then they are attacked!It will be like touching Gods eyeball!!

I think you can tell from history of bible the TRUE God stands behind his people.Go read about Pharoah.And please dont waste my time even answering cos i know you dont support bible.

The bible doesn't have anything to do with what I posted. That doesn't mean I don't support the bible either. You're so far off from what I actually said that isn't worth my time.

Tell me,does it stink in life to not be understood by people all the time?And if u dont mind me asking<im sure im asking for nonsense here>how do u support bible?

[JediJohnnie]

JJ it is you who hasnt a clue.

Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of the world......not sure how u tie in thinking u understand bible and still wave a flag for good ol usa.

Hes also made GODs name known as mentioned in Lords prayer!!Hes also sent out his followers preaching/teaching in over 240 lands Gods kingdom!!

You bring up worldly garbage like xmas etc....stuff thats NOT even in bible.And you say i dont understand what xtian means!!LOL!!

Some good advice.Wake-up from your star-trek fantasy world and realize there are some serious issues here in the real world!!

Your insults avail you nothing hitch. Wake up and realize you're  the one not living in the real world. You live in AMERICA. And you ought to thank God EVERY DAY that people fought and died to found this country so you can have the freedom to spew your nonsense. While you're at it, thank God that you don't live in one of the several countries that would execute you for believing what you do.

Insults...LOL!The truth M'Boy!!What is freedom in this country that other countrys dont have?To smoke pot in Colo?To see gays married?To buys guns?I obey the laws,pay my taxes,honor God and try to love my neighbor!You thank your Babylon the Great god for your Rah Rah USA wars!!I know Jehovah didnt approve of them.And yes someday i might have to die for the truth NOT this dumb satanic world you worship.You insult God by everything you just said.Certainly NOT your god of this system....u play right into his hands.You dont see what Jehovahs visible organization has done over the years.You know why?Cos your heart condition isnt acceptable to JEHOVAH!!!What is your gods name......."i am".....LOL!!!!Ill tell you...Its Satan!!!Ruler of this world that Jesus said he was NO part of .Glorify it......go bow down to your flag!!!

The USA is a modern day Sodom!!!And you worship it and then try to say you understand the bible!!The main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom <government>thru HIS son Jesus and the VINDICATION Jehovah is the TRUE GOD!!!

Stop wasting your time on me.Go prepare for your July 4th celebration and be careful playing in traffic with your flag!!

You have the right to criticize your country's government and continue calling it satanic in America. Good luck trying to do that in several countries elsewhere. No earthly government is going to be perfect. But the U.S was founded on Christian principles. "One Nation Under God". That's what we celebrate. Not our nation's leaders. Read a history book sometime. Preferably one not authored by the Watchtower.

But we've gone over this a thousand times,hitch. You're theology makes no sense. You compared a blessed day like Christmas, where we celebrate the glorious birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, to paganism because it was established to rival a pagan feast. Yet when your Memorial lands on any day of the week, by your own logic, you're celebrating paganism! Your Memorial landed on Wednesday this year, correct? Then you just celebrated Odin! The Nose god whom Wednesday was named! Such Hypocrisy that the Pharisees themselves would blush!

[hawkeye3210]

It is you who doesnt listen Hawkeye....when the bible speaks of Babylon The Great,that means ALLLLLLLLLLL religeons!!!You are differentiating between Muslims and so called others that call themselves Xtian.

Governments soon will wipe ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of them out!!!Jehovahs people will still be standing.And then they are attacked!It will be like touching Gods eyeball!!

I think you can tell from history of bible the TRUE God stands behind his people.Go read about Pharoah.And please dont waste my time even answering cos i know you dont support bible.

The bible doesn't have anything to do with what I posted. That doesn't mean I don't support the bible either. You're so far off from what I actually said that isn't worth my time.

Tell me,does it stink in life to not be understood by people all the time?And if u dont mind me asking<im sure im asking for nonsense here>how do u support bible?

The problem is you, not me. My post was in regards to the motives behind the killings. You went off about the bible and its teachings. It had nothing to do with my post.

So I went from making a post about a the motives of a shooter in Orlando and now you are questioning my support of the bible. Yet, you can't see how far you've sidetracked the conversation?

[hitch0403]

JJ it is you who hasnt a clue.

Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of the world......not sure how u tie in thinking u understand bible and still wave a flag for good ol usa.

Hes also made GODs name known as mentioned in Lords prayer!!Hes also sent out his followers preaching/teaching in over 240 lands Gods kingdom!!

You bring up worldly garbage like xmas etc....stuff thats NOT even in bible.And you say i dont understand what xtian means!!LOL!!

Some good advice.Wake-up from your star-trek fantasy world and realize there are some serious issues here in the real world!!

Your insults avail you nothing hitch. Wake up and realize you're  the one not living in the real world. You live in AMERICA. And you ought to thank God EVERY DAY that people fought and died to found this country so you can have the freedom to spew your nonsense. While you're at it, thank God that you don't live in one of the several countries that would execute you for believing what you do.

Insults...LOL!The truth M'Boy!!What is freedom in this country that other countrys dont have?To smoke pot in Colo?To see gays married?To buys guns?I obey the laws,pay my taxes,honor God and try to love my neighbor!You thank your Babylon the Great god for your Rah Rah USA wars!!I know Jehovah didnt approve of them.And yes someday i might have to die for the truth NOT this dumb satanic world you worship.You insult God by everything you just said.Certainly NOT your god of this system....u play right into his hands.You dont see what Jehovahs visible organization has done over the years.You know why?Cos your heart condition isnt acceptable to JEHOVAH!!!What is your gods name......."i am".....LOL!!!!Ill tell you...Its Satan!!!Ruler of this world that Jesus said he was NO part of .Glorify it......go bow down to your flag!!!

The USA is a modern day Sodom!!!And you worship it and then try to say you understand the bible!!The main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom <government>thru HIS son Jesus and the VINDICATION Jehovah is the TRUE GOD!!!

Stop wasting your time on me.Go prepare for your July 4th celebration and be careful playing in traffic with your flag!!

You have the right to criticize your country's government and continue calling it satanic in America. Good luck trying to do that in several countries elsewhere. No earthly government is going to be perfect. But the U.S was founded on Christian principles. "One Nation Under God". That's what we celebrate. Not our nation's leaders. Read a history book sometime. Preferably one not authored by the Watchtower.

But we've gone over this a thousand times,hitch. You're theology makes no sense. You compared a blessed day like Christmas, where we celebrate the glorious birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, to paganism because it was established to rival a pagan feast. Yet when your Memorial lands on any day of the week, by your own logic, you're celebrating paganism! Your Memorial landed on Wednesday this year, correct? Then you just celebrated Odin! The Nose god whom Wednesday was named! Such Hypocrisy that the Pharisees themselves would blush!

The whole world lies in power of wicked one.Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world for an act of worship.Man RU blind!!Jesus was killed on Nisan 14 Jewish claendar.That day differs everyyear cos of our calendar.Why dont you read up on how to figure it out every yr with Full moon.Jesus commanded his death be memorialized.Man how can someone as foolish as you NOT see any of this who thinks he knows bible.Your xmas isnt even mentioned or 12/25 but we know every yr Passover.Its ok....i know you are a US rah rah that mixes your BS with bible.Friendship with world is enmity with God says bible.Wake-up!!

[hitch0403]

Hawkeye again you questioned 2 different religeons.....i brought bible teachings in 2 show how God feels about Babylon The Great which covers ALL OF THEM!

You have other issues here in NY right now Re children sexually abused and looking for statue of limitations extended.There is CORRUPTION in all of them and bible says eventually God will punish them.I am not trying to tell u which religeon is the most corrupt.By Jehovahs view...they all are cos they claim to teach bible but DONT!!

[BATISTAGIRL663]

This was terrible and I just don't have the words -- I am sending prayers to all involved --

[hawkeye3210]

Hawkeye again you questioned 2 different religeons.....i brought bible teachings in 2 show how God feels about Babylon The Great which covers ALL OF THEM!

You have other issues here in NY right now Re children sexually abused and looking for statue of limitations extended.There is CORRUPTION in all of them and bible says eventually God will punish them.I am not trying to tell u which religeon is the most corrupt.By Jehovahs view...they all are cos they claim to teach bible but DONT!!

I never questioned any religion. In fact, there's not even a question in my post. Just a statement about the world today. Actually read my original post.

Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.

It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar. 

But, as with most threads, you tried to steer the conversation in a direction were you could tell me how your religious beliefs were right and everyone else is wrong. I'm not sure if it's your own insecurity in your own beliefs, or if you are just incapable of having an adult conversation.

[hitch0403]

But, as with most threads, you tried to steer the conversation in a direction were you could tell me how your religious beliefs were right and everyone else is wrong. I'm not sure if it's your own insecurity in your own beliefs, or if you are just incapable of having an adult conversation.

First off,i didnt write bible,i was taught it.Its fine with me if you disagree what i have been taught.Very obvious you do!

Jehovah is God!!!Does that sound like i am insecure?

You cant even mention ones name....you have the problem!!And yes i guess i am incapable of having a conversation with 1 with as big a chip on their shoulder as you.I need to remind myself its not worth it!!

I would bet before i ever address you again...you will seek me!!