The Right to Die

[hitch0403]

I will even take it 1 step furthur.The eating of blood is NOT supported thru-out bible.How many times have people been told without a transfusion they would die.There are blood substitutes that may help and disease has been spread thru transfusion as well.

If one dies faithfully to Gods command i think it would be easy to know they wold be remembered in resurrection for their faithfulness.

And you wanna compare this analaogy to a poisonous cocktail??

As i said earlier,god is a title.When you use the word god you are not referring to Jehovah!

[hitch0403]

Blacksheep

KJV Psalms 83:18 doesnt answer your question...........

not sure what will

[hitch0403]

Adding.......

“This is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: ‘I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. In a place of concealment I spoke not, in a dark place of the earth; nor said I to the seed of Jacob, “Seek me simply for nothing, you people.” I am Jehovah, speaking what is righteous, telling what is upright.’” (Isaiah 45:18, 19) 

You can go on and on but even after God rescued Israel from slavery some still went to false worship!!Think about that!!God opened up the Red Sea and saved them and still some worshipped golden calves.

Judas a disciple of Jesus betrayed Him!!What an honor but greed and selfishness got to him.

So i dont think honestly Blacksheep this will satisfy you.But this witness isnt about debating or just pleasing you even tho i hope you do get something out of it!!

[BlackSheepNY]

I will even take it 1 step furthur.The eating of blood is NOT supported thru-out bible.How many times have people been told without a transfusion they would die.There are blood substitutes that may help and disease has been spread thru transfusion as well.

If one dies faithfully to Gods command i think it would be easy to know they wold be remembered in resurrection for their faithfulness.

And you wanna compare this analaogy to a poisonous cocktail??

As i said earlier,god is a title.When you use the word god you are not referring to Jehovah!

Hmmm, ok.  I understand this is your belief, but you have to admit how terrible other people might see something like having a sick child whose life would be saved by a blood transfusion, yet the parents of this child see it differently and would leave their child to suffer tremendous agony and ultimately, die, when there really was no logical reason for it.

My personal belief is that God will take you when it's your time - whether that is by your own hand or otherwise.

[hitch0403]

So God sees begotten son Jesus being humiliated,tortured etc...and we all know the God loved the world so much scripture right?

Yes.....i understand what you mean about your child needing something a Dr might prescribe that may go against bible.Is man right all the time?Are there blood substitutes that have worked and are safer?

Is there a hope if we obey?

Those are questions you should ask.The child could die even with the tranfusion too.Again it comes down to obeying man or God.Peter said we must obey God as rler rather than man when it came down to that.Many subjected themselves to being jailed,tortured.

Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son for God too.Whats that tell you?

[countrygirl12]

I agree with you. I think people should be free to end their own lives if they want to, so long as they don't attempt to bring anyone else down with them. In a lot of these mass shooting cases, it appears that the shooter doesn't expect to survive the incident (they expect cops to kill them), but they are taking out other people along with themselves, which makes the what is essentially suicide by cop wrong.

It's not suicide by cop.  Either they are going to kill themselves anyway or they don't and no the cop doesn't kill them as long as they cooperate with being arrested.  Suicide by cop is when you do something like point a gun at a cop knowing they will fire at you and they fire to kill.

[countrygirl12]

Although spiritually I believe that this is wrong -- a sin against God -- and thus would not make this choice. However this is a free country and as such, I think that this too should be a freedom that no one should be able to take away from the individual. Perhaps have laws set up strict rules about how doctor assisted suicides can be conducted, such as having the patient sign some legal document (like a living will), a mental check to ensure that the patient is in their right-mind when making the decision, and having the patient perform the actual act (the doctor can prescribe the euthanizing drugs, but it'd be up to the patient to choose to take those drugs) so that the doctor's hands are clean.

That is how it is but the doctor's hands are not clean.  The person cannot get the drug without the doctor giving it to them.  So he is guilty.

[countrygirl12]

The whole issue revolves, once again, around free will and individual choice.  Ever seen a person die of some cancers or ALS.  It can be a horrific ending.  Because you believe in a strict view of Scripture or have a view of God that is not mine, let me do what I need and want to and I won't require that you not do as you need.  Get out of my life is all I can say...and others like me who may want to make this choice.  This is another issue that I, myself, will resolve with God and you won't have to.

Exactly what Satan told Eve.....decide for yourself whats good and bad.You dont need God.6000 yrs later and seeing the world as it is today....duhh.....not a good decision eh?

OH BTW......Satan also told Eve she wouldnt die either!!!

Exactly!

I will even take it 1 step furthur.The eating of blood is NOT supported thru-out bible.How many times have people been told without a transfusion they would die.There are blood substitutes that may help and disease has been spread thru transfusion as well.

If one dies faithfully to Gods command i think it would be easy to know they wold be remembered in resurrection for their faithfulness.

And you wanna compare this analaogy to a poisonous cocktail??

As i said earlier,god is a title.When you use the word god you are not referring to Jehovah!

Hmmm, ok.  I understand this is your belief, but you have to admit how terrible other people might see something like having a sick child whose life would be saved by a blood transfusion, yet the parents of this child see it differently and would leave their child to suffer tremendous agony and ultimately, die, when there really was no logical reason for it.

My personal belief is that God will take you when it's your time - whether that is by your own hand or otherwise.

That does not make sense.  If it is by your own hand then God does not take you.  You make the choice to end your life.  Someone said earlier they believe God understands.  Do you not remember Job?  What about Jesus and what He suffered on the cross?  Pain we could not even imagine.  Also like the people who died recently in the mass shootings I do not believe that it was "their time" to die.  Some idiot had free will and HE and SHE chose when those people would die.

[JaniceSW]

god is a title.The TRUE God Jehovah wouldnt approve of your poisonous cocktail.

I see you are very self-righteous, as many religious zealots are.  But I'll leave you to believe as you do.  Simply let me alone to believe in my way.  Thank God America has religious freedom, even the right to NOT believe if that's someone's philosophy.  And please, quote no more scripture at me.  What I've learned about the Bible is there are many passages which can be construed in different ways.  So let me interpret in my own fashion, as once again, I do you.

[BlackSheepNY]

The whole issue revolves, once again, around free will and individual choice.  Ever seen a person die of some cancers or ALS.  It can be a horrific ending.  Because you believe in a strict view of Scripture or have a view of God that is not mine, let me do what I need and want to and I won't require that you not do as you need.  Get out of my life is all I can say...and others like me who may want to make this choice.  This is another issue that I, myself, will resolve with God and you won't have to.

Exactly what Satan told Eve.....decide for yourself whats good and bad.You dont need God.6000 yrs later and seeing the world as it is today....duhh.....not a good decision eh?

OH BTW......Satan also told Eve she wouldnt die either!!!

Exactly!

I will even take it 1 step furthur.The eating of blood is NOT supported thru-out bible.How many times have people been told without a transfusion they would die.There are blood substitutes that may help and disease has been spread thru transfusion as well.

If one dies faithfully to Gods command i think it would be easy to know they wold be remembered in resurrection for their faithfulness.

And you wanna compare this analaogy to a poisonous cocktail??

As i said earlier,god is a title.When you use the word god you are not referring to Jehovah!

Hmmm, ok.  I understand this is your belief, but you have to admit how terrible other people might see something like having a sick child whose life would be saved by a blood transfusion, yet the parents of this child see it differently and would leave their child to suffer tremendous agony and ultimately, die, when there really was no logical reason for it.

My personal belief is that God will take you when it's your time - whether that is by your own hand or otherwise.

That does not make sense.  If it is by your own hand then God does not take you.  You make the choice to end your life.  Someone said earlier they believe God understands.  Do you not remember Job?  What about Jesus and what He suffered on the cross?  Pain we could not even imagine.  Also like the people who died recently in the mass shootings I do not believe that it was "their time" to die.  Some idiot had free will and HE and SHE chose when those people would die.

How would we, as mere humans, KNOW that it WASN'T God's plan to take these people?  Sure, it may not have been a "natural" death, but even babies die in utero or soon after birth.  Was that God's plan, or was that something that Mother or Doctor did?  We'll never know.  When God says it's your time, it may not be pretty, but you're going, anyway.

[hitch0403]

Janice when you say "Thank god"america has freedom of religeon,remember to thank YOUR god.Jehovah doesnt accept "freedom of religeon".What right does man have in deciding how OUR creator wants to be obeyed,served etc??I am not sure you have children,but if you did i dont think youd want them laying down the law to you and your hubby.Jehovah started the human race off out of love and didnt deprive them of anything.All he wanted was for them to love and obey him.And satan threw a monkey wrench into it and A&E showed their true colors.But God lovingly allowed the human race to come forth because HE knew that part of the offspring would love and obey HIM after Jesus ransomed the human race back by dying for us!!

Instead of referring to me as "self righteous"why dont you just confess you dont support the bible because everything i have referenced for you from it.I am a sinner like anyone else,but i am grateful to Jehovah and the discreet slave class that i have been taught bible truths!You mock bible truths but out of formality ill bet you put you hand on a bible in a courtroom cos the good ol USA has brainwashed many that God is just only with us!!!TRuly a joke.That same bible in book of Acts says that God isnt partial and accepts everyone that does righteousness in HIS eyes!

Blacksheep the bible says,time and unforseen occurrence befalls us all.People that died in recent California shooting were in wrong place wrong time.Babies may die for many reasons.Also remember penalty of sin was death so it can happen anytime.God trys no one with evil says bible.Our lives are NOT predestined.

[JaniceSW]

This is my last post on this subject.  Hitch, you prove your religious zealotry...that only you believe in the one true God and your interpretation is the one and only interpretation.  You know nothing about my beliefs.  I believe that God allows for a variety of love along a continuum.  He does not mind being called God, Allah, or what have you.  He just wants loving, kind people who do their best and try to do no harm to others.  That is MY belief.

You need to get on a site where they debate religion.  Such a site would be the appropriate forum for these long diatribes and quoting Scripture, trying to proselytize others.  Other than the manner in which you push your beliefs, you seem to be a fine guy from your other posts I have read.

[gsdoss]

We didn't decide when we were born or should we decide when to die.

[hitch0403]

This is my last post on this subject.  Hitch, you prove your religious zealotry...that only you believe in the one true God and your interpretation is the one and only interpretation.  You know nothing about my beliefs.  I believe that God allows for a variety of love along a continuum.  He does not mind being called God, Allah, or what have you.  He just wants loving, kind people who do their best and try to do no harm to others.  That is MY belief.

You need to get on a site where they debate religion.  Such a site would be the appropriate forum for these long diatribes and quoting Scripture, trying to proselytize others.  Other than the manner in which you push your beliefs, you seem to be a fine guy from your other posts I have read.

Simple.......you dont support bible......you support and wanna decide what Janice believes is good and bad or truth.

EXCLUSIVE DEVOTION

This expression has reference to the fact that Jehovah does not tolerate any rivalry, the worship of any other gods. The Hebrew word qan·naʼʹ is used only of God; it means “exacting exclusive devotion; jealous.”—Ex 20:5, ftn; see JEALOUS, JEALOUSY.

God will not transfer to another the honor due himself. (Isa 42: To depart from exclusive devotion to him would incur the heat of His zealous anger. (De 4:24; 5:9; 6:15) Israel was regarded as being married to Jehovah. As a husband, Jehovah claimed exclusive devotion, loyalty, fidelity from Israel. He would be zealous, full of ardor in her behalf, in her defense. (Eze 36:5) Conversely, disobedience, going after other gods, would be adultery, thereby meriting Jehovah’s righteous anger and his jealousy for his own name.—De 32:16, 21; Eze 16:38, 42.

Janice i am not out looking to debate you or any others.Again its very simple.You either support bible as Gods word or dont.Many examples how Jehovah feels about being God almighty.The Alapha and Omega.NO other gods before him.Creator of universe and all living things.He makes it clear HE will NOT share that with any other false god.HE told Moses what HIS name was and waht it meant.I assure you when Egypt saw themselves buried by the Red Sea they knew God almighty was Jehovah.Jesus goes on to say,I have made your name known the only true God and the one you sent forth Jesus Christ.

You can decide for yourself what you want.This started because you said,god wouldnt mind for a terminally ill person drinking as poisonous cocktail.I told you Jehovah wouldnt agree to that.I am not sure who you think god is but HE does care very being compared to other false gods.Also remember Lords prayer says,"Hallowed be thy name!"

[countrygirl12]

The whole issue revolves, once again, around free will and individual choice.  Ever seen a person die of some cancers or ALS.  It can be a horrific ending.  Because you believe in a strict view of Scripture or have a view of God that is not mine, let me do what I need and want to and I won't require that you not do as you need.  Get out of my life is all I can say...and others like me who may want to make this choice.  This is another issue that I, myself, will resolve with God and you won't have to.

Exactly what Satan told Eve.....decide for yourself whats good and bad.You dont need God.6000 yrs later and seeing the world as it is today....duhh.....not a good decision eh?

OH BTW......Satan also told Eve she wouldnt die either!!!

Exactly!

I will even take it 1 step furthur.The eating of blood is NOT supported thru-out bible.How many times have people been told without a transfusion they would die.There are blood substitutes that may help and disease has been spread thru transfusion as well.

If one dies faithfully to Gods command i think it would be easy to know they wold be remembered in resurrection for their faithfulness.

And you wanna compare this analaogy to a poisonous cocktail??

As i said earlier,god is a title.When you use the word god you are not referring to Jehovah!

Hmmm, ok.  I understand this is your belief, but you have to admit how terrible other people might see something like having a sick child whose life would be saved by a blood transfusion, yet the parents of this child see it differently and would leave their child to suffer tremendous agony and ultimately, die, when there really was no logical reason for it.

My personal belief is that God will take you when it's your time - whether that is by your own hand or otherwise.

That does not make sense.  If it is by your own hand then God does not take you.  You make the choice to end your life.  Someone said earlier they believe God understands.  Do you not remember Job?  What about Jesus and what He suffered on the cross?  Pain we could not even imagine.  Also like the people who died recently in the mass shootings I do not believe that it was "their time" to die.  Some idiot had free will and HE and SHE chose when those people would die.

How would we, as mere humans, KNOW that it WASN'T God's plan to take these people?  Sure, it may not have been a "natural" death, but even babies die in utero or soon after birth.  Was that God's plan, or was that something that Mother or Doctor did?  We'll never know.  When God says it's your time, it may not be pretty, but you're going, anyway.

You can believe what you want.  But it is not God's plan for these idiots to go into places like a school or movie theater and shoot the crap out of the place.  God gave them free will and this is what they choose to do.  Not God's plan although He does allow it to happen.  God's plan was for Adam and Eve to continue on in perfectness in the Garden of Eden but their free will chose otherwise.