Beliefs

[hitch0403]

Paints that is NOT true about Paul NOT having bible.They had it and referred to it.

Reproof meaning...the bible is always the correct way for man to be disciplined or for wisdom etc.

Bad associations spoil useful habits....or its definition of love.Who can argue that wise counsel?

[hitch0403]

Do you really think God would allow his word being around 1000s of yrs translated into hundreds of languages be tampered with?

Satan has tried to get rid of it unsuccessfully.So he uses false religeon to blind people.Many claim to teach bible but dont.Its christendom NOT the bible thats flawed.Many meddle in politics and dont look to Gods kingdom for the ONLY salvation for mankind.

[JaniceSW]

Holy cow (no pun intended).  All conversations and questions about belief are not necessarily religious! (as was pointed out be the posting originator)

What I meant is that there are all kind of beliefs and convictions, not just religious.  For example, there is the belief in freedom, the belief in the sanctity of marriage, the belief in life starts at conception or not, just all kinds of beliefs.  It is fine that some of you have such religious enthusiasm, but sometimes a few posts will suffice in a forum such as this.  It becomes a diatribe after a bit.  You know, there may even be agnostics and atheists.  Those are beliefs too.  Each person has the freedom, cognitive processes, and familial and cultural values to decide what they believe.

[JediJohnnie]

Jesus and his Father, Jehovah God, are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, standards, and values. In contrast with Satan the Devil and the first human couple, Adam and Eve, Jesus never wanted to become independent of God. “The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing,” Jesus explained. “For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.”—John 5:19; 14:10; 17:8.

This strong bond of unity, however, does not make God and his Son, Jesus, indistinguishable from each other. They are two individuals. Each one has his own distinct personality. Jesus has his own feelings, thoughts, experiences, and free will. Nevertheless, he chose to submit his will to that of his Father. According to Luke 22:42, Jesus said: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” These words would have been meaningless if his will could not differ from his Father’s. If Jesus and his Father were really one person, why did Jesus pray to God and humbly admit to not knowing things that only his Father knew?—Matthew 24:36.

The Father and Son are indeed separate and distinct, ( The Trinity does not embrace modalism. ) but I said they are of the same essence.  I've used this example before, but I'm equal in essence to the President. We're both human, but we're separate individuals.  Obama's office makes him "greater" than me in the eyes of men. It's in the same way that The Father is Greater than Jesus, not because Jesus is divested of any Divinity, but because of office.

[JediJohnnie]

Tgreen, that makes an idol of a book.

Adam and Eve had no bible. Were they not created?
The whole of creation came into being at God's command. He spoke it into being.
He had no bible.

God is the source of all life.

Why pin all your belief on a book, when you can go straight to the Source?

 

I maybe misunderstanding your whole point here, but the "Source" gave us His Book for our edification. How is that a bad thing?

My point was/is the book we have has been tampered with.  It has truth in it, but it is not the whole truth.

Case in point, Hitch quoted Paul saying "all scripture is suitable for doctrine, for reproof..."

The only scripture Paul had was the Jewish Torah. Who elevated Pauls' writings to "Scripture?" And why?

Paul contradicts Jesus' teachings, in several places.  Why? And why are these contradictions accepted?

Are we not supposed to be followers of Christ?

That was my point.

Paul didn't contradict Jesus teachings. I'm not aware of where you're getting that.

The Watchtower alter the text in their bible to better jibe with the JW belief system, but that's not having anything to do with the original, unaltered Scripture.

Paul and the writers of the NT (and the writers of the OT, for that matter) were writing under influence of the Holy Spirit, hence it's equal to the Torah which is also Holy Writ.

[hitch0403]

The bible at Rev 4:11 explains why Jehovah IS almighty God.Everything and everyone owes their existence to HIM!!Jesus being a begotten son because of course he was directly created by Jehovah.After that Jesus was his masterworker and everything came into existence then.Let USSSSSSSSS make man....US is plural!!


Janice that is true what you said.We all have freedom of choice to decide what we want.If one is an atheist and someone else believes in a creator they both cant be right.Freedom of speech and religeon are manmade laws.Man has NOO right to decide how God mst be served or worshipped no more than a child has the right to tell his parents what is right and wrong as they grow up.

Thats why God gave mankind his word the bible...used prophets...sent Jesus to earth...so man wouldnt be in the dark RE him.Sadly the devil as i have said has blinded the minds of many RE the truth as you can see in JJs case.

[paints]

Holy cow (no pun intended).  All conversations and questions about belief are not necessarily religious! (as was pointed out be the posting originator)

What I meant is that there are all kind of beliefs and convictions, not just religious.  For example, there is the belief in freedom, the belief in the sanctity of marriage, the belief in life starts at conception or not, just all kinds of beliefs.  It is fine that some of you have such religious enthusiasm, but sometimes a few posts will suffice in a forum such as this.  It becomes a diatribe after a bit.  You know, there may even be agnostics and atheists.  Those are beliefs too.  Each person has the freedom, cognitive processes, and familial and cultural values to decide what they believe.

I'll apologize for my part in this.
As I said earlier, the original post wasn't meant to be about religion.

I read an article recently entitled "How the Irish Became White."
It started me thinking about racism, and how our perceptions are sometimes manipulated.
And how our history isn't always what we're taught.

[hitch0403]

Paints there is no need to apologize.There will always be topics RE religeon or God into it.Questions RE gays,abortion,guns etc.

Many base their answers or opinions using the bible.And many have no use for it or dont support it or claim they do but really dont.

Maybe you should ask about beliefs to atheists or those that dont support bible when putting up a topic like that.This way they give you their answers based on their own opinions NOT influenced by bible or God.Just what man thinks.

I have no reason to respond to a topic like that because of this scripture......

Jer. 10:23: “I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.” (God did not authorize his human creation to chart its own path independent from God.)

[JediJohnnie]

The bible at Rev 4:11 explains why Jehovah IS almighty God.Everything and everyone owes their existence to HIM!!Jesus being a begotten son because of course he was directly created by Jehovah.After that Jesus was his masterworker and everything came into existence then.Let USSSSSSSSS make man....US is plural!!


Janice that is true what you said.We all have freedom of choice to decide what we want.If one is an atheist and someone else believes in a creator they both cant be right.Freedom of speech and religeon are manmade laws.Man has NOO right to decide how God mst be served or worshipped no more than a child has the right to tell his parents what is right and wrong as they grow up.

Thats why God gave mankind his word the bible...used prophets...sent Jesus to earth...so man wouldnt be in the dark RE him.Sadly the devil as i have said has blinded the minds of many RE the truth as you can see in JJs case.

In no way does Rev 4:11 deny the Divinity of Christ. There is only one God- the Triune God- as described in the Bible.

 Staying in Revelations for a moment I point out Rev 22:8-9 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

Compare that with the verse I gave you last time (that I'm sure just slipped your mind) John 20:28 "Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” If Jesus were not equal with the Father, he would not have let Thomas worship Him any more than the angel would permit John to worship him.

And as I've pointed out several times, the Watchtower is a cult that has perverted doctrine for decades. If any are being deceived by Satan it's them.

[hitch0403]

Simply put....Jesus represented Jehovah.

You cant even say Gods name.You are part of Satans world celebrating Xmas,Halloween etc.Jesus simply said you cant serve 2 masters.My kingdom is no part of this world.

Math 24:14 being fulfilled in 236 lands preaching of Gods kingdom.A worldwide brotherhood of Gods people!

What does your religeon do?Teach the world to debate....LOL!!

Dont forget to watch the GOP debate tonight.That goes with supporting satans system....hahahaha

[paints]

Ok. I'm locking this topic.

When a discussion about beliefs degenerates to name calling and denigrating of anothers' religion, right or wrong, it in no way glorifies God.

Arguing scripture in no way enlightens or draws people to God.

In fact, it turns people off.  It serves the god of this world, and creates conflict where there should be none.

Jesus taught us better than that.