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Gerianne

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medicine commercial [drug]
« on: August 19, 2015, 06:48:55 am »
I was listening to a commercial ad. [it has been boggling me for years how the pharma companies do this. ]
They say a certain drug is great for depression. Then, the advertiser proceeds to say that there are serious side effects, one being death. So why is this drug good for me? .....when I could get nausea, diarrhea, dizziness,etc as side effect.  No thank you "big pharma".  there are numerous drug commercials for various drugs that say similar things.
we are not a drug free America.

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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2015, 09:52:30 am »
The FDA (and other government agencies around the world) have strict regulations that the pharmaceutical companies have to follow, and sometimes this causes what would appear to be contradictions between the benefits of the medicine and its side-effects.

When a drug is going through the process of being certified as a medicine, there are several stages of testing that the drugs must undergo. Before a drug even gets tested in human population, it must first pass pre-clinical trials, usually by testing on laboratory animals. If the drug is too harmful in relation to the harm of the disease, then it is discontinued through the rest of clinical trials.

If a drug passes pre-clinical trials, then it goes through phase 1 clinical trials, which tests the toxicity of the drug. It looks to see whether the "efficacy window" (the dosage where the drug is effective) lies in a safe area of drug effects; if the drug's efficacy window is too close to it's toxicity levels (eg the amount to take in order to elicit an effect is too close to the amount that causes worse side-effects such that the likelihood of accidental overdose is great) the drug is again dropped from clinical trials.

After passing phase 1 clinical trials, it goes to phase 2 which tests the efficacy of the drug. This tests more whether the drug is acting the way that it was designed to work. If the drug is to be used to treat a disease, the phase 2 trials tests whether the drug actually does show a statistically significant improvement of the disease. This is also where they start analyzing the efficacy window to determine the best dosage to have an effect without being too high to cause any undo side-effects.

Finally phase 3 clinical trials tests how the drug compares with the current standard of treatment. This tests whether the drug is more effective than the standard treatment, has less harmful side-effects, and / or targets the disease in a novel way that may work better under certain situations. If the drug isn't any better (or at least as good) in any way than the current standard of treatment, the drug is dropped.

During this entire process, the FDA requires drug companies to monitor and report on any possible side-effects of the drug. Some side-effects are expected because of the mechanism of action of the drug. For example many anti-cancer agents have hair-loss, increased chance of infection, and nausea as possible side-effects because the drug targets quickly multiplying cells like those found in tumors, hair follicles, immune cells, and intestinal lining. However, if one patient reports nausea from taking the drug, the pharmaceutical company has to report nausea as a possible side-effect, even if they cannot determine a causal relationship between the drug and the side-effect. So sometimes the so-called possible side-effect is actually just a false-positive for that effect (eg the person with nausea may have just suffered from food poisoning and not an actual side-effect of the drug). This is why those drug commercials seem to have such a long list of possible side-effects. Additionally, sometimes the side-effects seem severe, but when compared with doing nothing, the progression of the disease is worse than the side-effect. For example, even though some meds for the treatment of depression lists increased suicidal tendencies, not using the medication has an even higher risk of suicide or even homicide, so although the side-effect is very severe, it isn't as bad as doing nothing to treat the person's depression.

And don't fall for the "all natural is better" fallacy. The chemical molecules are no different whether man-made or naturally made; a water molecule will always be 2 hydrogen atoms bound to an oxygen atom regardless of whether the water molecule was created in a lab or as a natural byproduct of respiration. However a molecule was created, it is its effect on the body that determine whether a molecule is "good" or "bad". Many natural molecules cause disease and / or some harmful effect, while many man-made molecules are beneficial for humans. However with natural products, we have a long history of its use that acts like these clinical trials, whereas the drugs created by pharmaceutical companies don't have this usage data yet, thus the requirement for them to undergo additional clinical trials. This is why it appears that pharmaceuticals have more (or more severe) side-effects than their natural counterparts; the natural product may have just as many side-effects and may be just as bad as a man-made drug but because they don't have to go through as extensive of a testing process nor do they need to report those side-effects, it only appears that natural products are better than pharmaceuticals. But by the same token, those drugs are tested for a specific disease (or preventative) and so can make claims like it is used in the treatment of UTIs. Natural products on the other hand haven't been tested for a specific disease; this is why ads for natural "cures" or "treatments" usually have the disclaimer that "This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease." as they haven't undergone the rigorous testing required to certify that statement.

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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2015, 10:56:20 am »
I agree - when they advertise a medicine they need to list the possible side effects and they all make me not want to use the medication.  It's ridiculous :-\.

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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2015, 02:53:28 pm »
I was listening to a commercial ad. [it has been boggling me for years how the pharma companies do this. ]
They say a certain drug is great for depression. Then, the advertiser proceeds to say that there are serious side effects, one being death. So why is this drug good for me? .....when I could get nausea, diarrhea, dizziness,etc as side effect.  No thank you "big pharma".  there are numerous drug commercials for various drugs that say similar things.
we are not a drug free America.


The best part of those commercials is right after that, they advertise the ATTORNEYS who are suing for the particular drug the one commercial said is so great in Class Action Lawsuits, LOL.

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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2015, 02:46:11 am »
I was prescribed something awhile back for depression. Some of the side effects listed were suicidal thoughts, hives or rash, sudden death.

Death?? No, thank you!


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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2015, 08:18:13 am »
I am also amazed at the medical ads.  By the time you finish listening to the contraindications, you wonder why anyone would ever take it.  If you have pain and swelling, take this but the side effect is pain and swelling.  Go figure!

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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2015, 01:16:28 am »
Look for books and info on natural remedies :thumbsup: 8)

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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2015, 07:39:15 am »
I'm not a big user of meds exactly for that reason...I always will try home remedies first.  I've never had a prescription yet that worked as effectively (or safely) as a good all natural remedy.

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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2015, 07:44:31 am »
I always used herbal medicines and all home remedies, I was born and grow up in Asia so we always used medicinal plants first like herbs or all natural remedies first before going to the doctor or drink meds.

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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2015, 10:37:59 pm »
Well said!! It seams we are been lead astray, rather then consume organic natural foods and get healthy the natural way we been drugged and people get addicted to drugs and give up on health.

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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2015, 12:07:36 am »
I agree, after showing how it could help you, you hear the long list of side-effects & decide just to die naturally with the illness you have instead of quickening your death using a drug with so many side-effects!

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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2015, 09:49:30 pm »
Home remedies are always better for you and your wallet for the same reason!

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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2015, 09:55:32 pm »
yah, yah, too dependent on drugs. we've been brainwashed to be like this. If you recommend a natural way to deal with medical issues to some people they look at you like you're crazy. They insist on going to get that prescription from the doctor.

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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2015, 10:06:08 am »
yah, yah, too dependent on drugs. we've been brainwashed to be like this. If you recommend a natural way to deal with medical issues to some people they look at you like you're crazy. They insist on going to get that prescription from the doctor.
The only people being brainwashed are those that believe what the anti-capitalists are trying to scare the ignorant public into believing. If I have a medical issue, I am more apt to listen to someone that has been studying science all of their life, like a doctor, pharmacist, or pharmacologist (those that engineer the medication and performs all of the different tests to ensure effectiveness and relative safety) than what someone says on the internet that is already against "big pharma" in general because they don't think it's "fair" to charge people for life-saving medicine (esp. when they make a comment about the high cost of medicine compared with the material costs for it, but ignore the high costs required to discover, engineer, and test those drugs). If I have a choice between a prescription drug or a natural remedy to help an ailment, I'd rather take the medicine in which I 1) know what's in it 2) know what ALL of the effects of the drug are and 3) can quantify the effects, rather than a natural remedy where 1) what's listed on the bottle might be what's in the medicine (and at the quantities listed) 2) know only the few beneficial effects that the natural remedy manufacturer wants you to know about (but can hide the negative effects if they so choose to in order to increase their profits) and 3) cannot quantify any of the effects since none of them were seriously studied in controlled environments in order to make such determinations (I really got a kick from the essential oil meeting that I attended in which the presenter said that everyone is different, so there is no set dosage in order to obtain the beneficial effect they claimed by that particular oil, and some people won't even respond to one type of oil but may to a different oil).

Also, while many of those that are pro-pharmeceuticals may consider natural remedies (some natural remedies actually are very good medicines, and may even lead to the development of other drugs as evidenced by bread-mold / penicillin), the opposite is usually not true. "Being all-natural" becomes more important for some of those people than "curing my illness" is as evidenced by those that opt for homeopathic treatments that have never been shown to treat the illness but are non-the-less all-natural.

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Re: medicine commercial [drug]
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2015, 01:14:31 pm »
i hate listning to those commercials,,,,,,,,,,,

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