So what part of Zeitgeist did you think was made up...?
There's so much disinformation I don't know where to begin. Ever heard of popular mechanics?
But here's just a few things in this amazing documentary that I'm talking about in Part 1.
First off, sunset is not a reference to “Set.” I worry about anyone who gullibly made it past that part of the video. I’m pretty sure “horizon” doesn’t come from “Horus is risen,” but I’m confident “Sunset” is not a reference to Set. That set off huge bells.
"Conflict between Horus and Set
By the Nineteenth dynasty, the previous brief enmity between Set and Horus, in which Horus had ripped off one of Set's testicles, was revitalised as a separate tale. According to Papyrus Chester-Beatty I, Set was considered to have been homosexual and is depicted as trying to prove his dominance by seducing Horus and then having intercourse with him. However, Horus places his hand between his thighs and catches Set's semen, then subsequently throws it in the river, so that he may not be said to have been inseminated by Set. Horus then deliberately spreads his own semen on some lettuce, which was Set's favorite food (the Egyptians thought that lettuce was phallic). After Set has eaten the lettuce, they go to the deities to try to settle the argument over the rule of Egypt. The deities first listen to Set's claim of dominance over Horus, and call his semen forth, but it answers from the river, invalidating his claim. Then, the deities listen to Horus' claim of having dominated Set, and call his semen forth, and it answers from inside Set.[6] In consequence, Horus is declared the ruler of Egypt."
And Horus was not crucified. I think that’s the part where I became livid, not necessarily because I was religiously offended, but intellectually. It’s hard when someone is just spouting lies to me directly.
Zeitgeist appears to have an impressive and verifiable source-list but I'd hardly call it impressive as they've also been debunked. Those sources are based off the old "Jesus Myth" where these kinds of arguments were popular in so-called “history of religions” circles until several decades ago, but they were generally abandoned.
Here was a brief list I made myself:
HORUS (3000bc egypt)
born dec 25
born of virgin
star in east appeared at birth
adorned by 3 kings
teacher at 12
baptised at age 30
had 12 disciples
performed miracles
known by 'the lamb of god, the light, good shepard'
crucified
dead for 3 days
resurrected
Compare the
Wikipedia article on Horus with the website's claims. Notice that they don't describe Horus as somebody who lost an eye that was then restored, or associated with the Falcon, or that his eyes represented Sun and Moon, or that semen was the weapon of choice in a major battle with Set -- even though these are central features to Horus. Notice that his "virgin birth" (say, reproduction by
masturbation) and "death and resurrection" (closer to reincarnation, if anything) are nothing like the "virgin birth" or "death and resurrection" of Jesus. Obviously what's going on is that somebody is looking for little data points that can be given labels that sound like the labels we give to parts of Jesus' life.
Even so, let's see which looks better -- that the stories about Jesus came from the Old Testament or from mystery religions.
born dec 25 -- Jesus wasn't born Dec 25
Christians don’t actually believe that Christ was born on December 25th, but decided to celebrate it that day. That alone proves the site’s material is dubious, poorly researched, and extremely unreliable. The author’s clearly manipulating data to contrive arguments and evidence.
born of virgin -- unique births commonly appear for special people in OT (e.g., Isaac)
(Additionally, Horus was not born to a virgin in the vast majority of the myths I’ve heard. At one point, he was regarded as Isis’ husband. But one of the most established myths is that he was regarded as the son of Osiris and Isis - so he was not born of a virgin. In most stories of this well-regarded paramount of Egyptian storytelling, Osiris was dismembered, then put back together by his wife, who copulated with him, his detached phallus, or a stand-in for his phallus.
"Conception:
Isis had Osiris' body returned to Egypt after his death; Set had retrieved the body of Osiris and dismembered it into 14 pieces which he scattered all over Egypt. Thus Isis went out to search for each piece which she then buried. This is why there are many tombs to Osiris. The only part she did not find in her search was the genitals of Osiris which were thrown into a river by Set. She fashioned a substitute *bleep* after seeing the condition it was in once she had found it and proceeded to have intercourse with the dead Osiris which resulted in the conception of Horus the child.[5]"
Likewise, I’m not sure “Meri” or “Mary” was ever a name attached to Isis. I’m also fairly sure Horus wasn’t born in what became our December. Other sun-gods may have been, but not Horus. A big bell also went off the video asserted Horus was born in a cave or a manger similar to Christ - he was born in a swamp.)
star in east appeared at birth -- Perhaps they're thinking of Magi (people) from the east who followed a star? East is first prominent at the beginning of Genesis, when Adam & Eve are kicked out of the Garden.
adorned by 3 kings -- There weren't 3 kings who adorned Jesus
teacher at 12, baptised at age 30 -- This is on the level of, "Started driving at age 16."
had 12 disciples -- 12 tribes of Israel
Nevertheless, this video was the first time I heard the assertion (without proper documentation) that Horus had twelve disciples - I doubt this claim greatly. There are tales of an inner circle coming to him for guidance and advice in warfare, etc. but not a specific number twelve, and not ones that followed him around in an earthly ministry.
performed miracles -- Moses, Elijah, etc.
known by 'the lamb of god, the light, good shepard' -- "Light" motif starts in Gen 1. Lamb of God is Passover Lamb. Good shepherd appears in the famous Psalm 23.
crucified, resurrected -- death and resurrection is the hope throughout the Prophets
And I didn't even have to take things out of context.
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