Hey, Jehovah's Witness?

[hitch0403]

Linda....Jesus gives a command to his disciples right before he dismisses Judas.He knows he is going to die that night.He tells them,"keep doing this in rememberance of me"...because of the significance his death will have on mankind and vindicating his fathers name.

That date on the Jewish calendar was Nisan 14.It falls differently on our calendar each year.Jehovahs organization refer to it as "The Lords evening meal"or "The Memorial".It is by far a command to obey from God cos it shows our love and appreciation for what God and his son did for us.

Now use discernment!20 million attended that in April this year.

Jesus was Godlike....Jehovahs son and represented his father.....but he is NOT God and was created by Jehovah...hence being referred to as a begotten son.

It really isnt hard to understand if your heart is right and wanna know truth.Of course its difficult if just the opposite!

Terrorists slammed planes into buildings and thought they would end p in paradise too.Sadly thheir hearts were NOT right and were brain-washed into not being so.

[BK_Adores_Chase]

And this is a topic I always steer clear of, to many different beliefs and who is to say which one is right or wrong?

Well, you know, you could say that grass is pink, I could say it's green - we might both insist we are right but there's only one right answer.. it can't be both pink and green, it's one or the other.

[JediJohnnie]

OK DUDE.....i was kinda hoping this topic would vaporize.......

I am almost positive i remember you mentioning <in the days of the other falcon> you took some kind of biblical course.I hardly would make that up.But if at the time i misunderstood you <and i really dont think i did>....let it go.

Again....there have been plenty of topics and discussions here and in the world about Jesus being God.Obviously i support Jehovahs organization and have put up research why.No need to go back and forth with this.

Jesus is God or isnt.....Xmas is pagan or isnt.....Trinity exists or doesnt....eating blood is acceptable to God or isnt...

I think u get where im coming from.

Just remember this....Jesus said his true followers would have love among themselves and worship God with spirit and truth.

I am not sure you have ever been to a JW assembly or meeting before.......

Go see for yourself!!

Thanx

My background in bible study (and I'm pretty sure I mentioned this here before) began when I was in my early teens and I decided to test what I believed by actually reading the scripture independent of any guidebooks or church.I found that what I had believed all my life to be trustworthy and that the bible was reliable both historically and through archaeology.

I don't think it's wrong to read what many of history's great biblical commentators have written.Some are worthwhile and give some guidance as to some of the more tricky passages in the bible.But it always comes back to the bible. Sola Scriptura.

I've never begrudged you proclaiming your faith in the JW's.You have that right as do any of us with a differing belief.I just call em as I see em.I've done that all along,so there's no hard feelings intended.     

[hitch0403]

JJ i never could understand if God existed why so much wickedness was in this world and why he never did anything about it.I am also sure you have seen me mention i was brought up a catholic and i never understood why a God of love would punish his creation forever in hellfire.Those things never sat well with me.

I have a very close friend who spoke to me about JWs and i also read a publication of theirs long ago "Did man get here by evolution or creation"....The book made lots of sense in answering questions i had.Ive seen through-out the years,if Jehovah ISNT God...then God doesnt exist.

We are made with freedom of choice.Yes you have your right to worship how u like.I will admit i am a watchdog in this forum and i go outta my way to put up truth in an authoritive way.I know many dont approve of that but i assure you my intentions to those that read into my bible chat and also to go outta my way for the appreciation of Jehovah and Jesus is genuine.I will also admit there are times when i am just like anyone else in the human race and sin.

So while i admit some authoritive posts of mine may rub some the wrong way try and remember i really do mean well and sometimes imperfection or an attempt at humor is also possible.

Thanx

[hitch0403]

Please allow me to say 1 last thing.

When i put bible scripture and research up in this forum,NONE of it comes from me.Yes,i discern it to be true and agree with it but it is teachings from Jehovahs visible organization.Its possible a type or an honest mistake may come from me...hopefully i catch it and correct it.....

All scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching,reproving and setting matters straight........says 2nd Tim 3:16

[JediJohnnie]

JJ i never could understand if God existed why so much wickedness was in this world and why he never did anything about it.I am also sure you have seen me mention i was brought up a catholic and i never understood why a God of love would punish his creation forever in hellfire.Those things never sat well with me.

I have a very close friend who spoke to me about JWs and i also read a publication of theirs long ago "Did man get here by evolution or creation"....The book made lots of sense in answering questions i had.Ive seen through-out the years,if Jehovah ISNT God...then God doesnt exist.

We are made with freedom of choice.Yes you have your right to worship how u like.I will admit i am a watchdog in this forum and i go outta my way to put up truth in an authoritive way.I know many dont approve of that but i assure you my intentions to those that read into my bible chat and also to go outta my way for the appreciation of Jehovah and Jesus is genuine.I will also admit there are times when i am just like anyone else in the human race and sin.

So while i admit some authoritive posts of mine may rub some the wrong way try and remember i really do mean well and sometimes imperfection or an attempt at humor is also possible.

Thanx

I wasn't aware that you had been Catholic.I don't believe that God punishes unfairly,but the bible clearly teaches you will reap what you sow in this life.God would not be a God of Justice if He did not punish those who are fit for punishment.

[hitch0403]

Jehovah is a God of justice......he told A&E if they disobeyed they would die and cursed would be the ground on their account.....

That happened....satan proved a liar and a seed put into place <Jesus>to die and ransom Gods original purpose.

Remember God allowed A&E to have offspring <us>....but we are sinners cos of sin thru Adam....But again Jesus died to ransom.....also remember man is acquitted at death of his sin.

Bible backs up at death what happens.Remember Jesus said Lazarus was alseep before he resurrected him.Now u might understand why i feel the way i do with what catholics teach and many other sects.

[gaylasue]

I'm just looking forward to the day when all of the questions will be answered when everyone stands in the presence of the Lord awaiting judgment or rewards.

[JediJohnnie]

The concept of "soul sleep" isn't in the bible,though.Jesus used the metaphor of death as sleep to point to the resurrection.That Man's soul is eternal.That the spirit doesn't die with the body.Our body "sleeps" until Christ calls it back from the dust at the resurrection.

There are a multitude of verses that should shed light on this:

Acts &:54-59 (Stephen sees Jesus at the right hand of God before he dies.)

Gen 5:24 and 2Kings 2:11 tell how Enoch and Elijah were taken up into Heaven

Matt17:1-4 (When Jesus spoke with Moses & Elijah who had come to speak with Him)

Luke 16:22 has the Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man which makes it crystal clear that both men remain conscious after death.

 Luke 23:43 Jesus told the thief beside Him "Today you will be with me in Paradise" Again,the meaning is crystal  clear.

There are several other passages,but those are off the top of my head.

[jmccaskill]

What was the purpose of the original question? It does not seem to have been addressed in any of the comments to any significant degree. If the question is meant to prompt thoughts about the validity of 'Christianity' vs. Jehovah's Witness' I think it can be summed up pretty easily:

Christianity stands alone, it is solely an individual thing, one person knowing Jesus as the Christ and all that encompasses... there is NOTHING beyond that, not denominations or doctrines created by man's thoughts on 'things of God'. Jesus did not hand out franchises or appoint ANY individual to stand in his stead. The scripture most accurately accounting the best known 'original' writings is without doubt the KJV version of the Bible. The translators, editors, and scribes and the details of their effort are all known and there is no secret as to how they derived the finished work.

Jehovah's Witness is based on totally different beliefs. The deity of Jesus is explicitly denied. Their scripture is claimed to be 'a Modern Translation' of the Bible, bunk! It is rife with specific changes made to support the claims of the cult. The origins of this debacle are mysteriously not disclosed. The most significant doctrines are no where mentioned in the REAL Bible, which somehow the cult claims to base its 'new and improved' version of things. The infamous 144,000 'saved' is truly ridiculous and is derived on some really convoluted reasoning on specific scripture to again support the claims of the cult. The Watchtower is the center of JH, not the teachings of God or a personal relationship with Him.   

[JediJohnnie]

I've never understood the concept of the "144,000".You mean to tell me out of the last 2,000 years ( to say nothing of the Godly before then) only 144,000 are going to Heaven?Aren't all those seats booked by now?Is it worth even trying to get into Heaven now,since only 144,000 will get tickets?Must be a bummer to be #145,000 and getting to the pearly gates only to get turned away.It's like "Dagnabbit I was this close to getting in!"

[JediJohnnie]

Another thing is the JW prohibition of Christmas.It's common knowledge that the early church fathers set up Dec 25th as a feast day to rival pagan celebrations.But,it's a day set aside to celebrate the birth of our Savior.The fact that the bible doesn't "command" us to celebrate His birth doesn't mean we shouldn't.

But whether you want to celebrate Christmas or not,the bible says we should not judge those who celebrate or abstain from celebrating Holy days. (Rom 14:5-6) One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

[hitch0403]

Real quick cos i know it wont mean anything to many...

JMMcaskil...you wanna promote KJV...then look up Psalms 83:18...please write here what it says...

The 144000 are only the little flock that rule with Jesus in heaven.Jesus speakss of a larger greater crowd that is looking forward to live forever here on earth.

Gods original plan was for man to live forever on earth...bible backs that up....

Everybodys looking forward to go to heaven yet most dont wanna die or leave earth...

This is what i mean by discernment.

Also try looking up Math 24:14 and tell me who is doing this worldwide preaching.....

I really would appreciate those addressing me that wanna learn bible truths.Seriously...i dont wanna debate this with many that have no use for bible truths.

Thanx

[hitch0403]

Gaylasue what make you think if you arent satified with the questions answered today you are gonna be happy when you are 6 feet under?

Pretty silly comment.So now you are re-writing bible.Please show me where in bible it says,when you die God will answer aall your questions.....lolllllllllllllll

[BK_Adores_Chase]

1 Timothy 2:4 [God] desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

God is daily saying, "Look, here I am!" to everyone through creation and consciousness.  People reject God because they love their sin.  I don't understand how people can stop, look around them at what God has created and not see Him in everything around them.  This world is complicated and an Intelligent Creator is behind it all.

God wants us to love Him but He's not going to make us into robots and make us love Him.  To those who don't accept the free gift of salvation through faith in Christ, they will be held responsible for their choice.