Gay Marriage

[djdiggz]

there is no way someone is going to convince a gay person , a thief , a murderer , or even a straight person that is an adulterer, show them their wrong  ,because they will find everything /argument to say that what  they are doing is right.

Please, never again say anything on the topic if you're going to equate homosexuality with murder, stealing, or any other capital offense.  That's flat out ridiculous and if your neurons were moving, you'd realize that.

why because the book (the bible) that has been here for thousand of years , that we actually live by but dont realize is not believed by many. (bible actually shows all these are wrong)

There are 4.6 billion people in the world who do not uphold your book, obviously do not live by your book, do not care about your book, and certainly do not believe in your book.  Over 2/3 of the world does not care about your book.

so this leaves us with the scientific part of things...................... and even this shows that it is wrong . you dont even have to know the deep biological aspect of things just the surface.  it goes beyond the laws of nature ...has said before.

Practice of homosexuality has been documented in nature in 1,500 species, ranging from invertebrates to apes.

but to back up the argument of the strong sexual connection between the same sex, it is believed that there is a chemical imbalance in these individuals,so it not entirely their fault.

I have a hard time taking anything you say on anything related to science seriously given the blatant lack of research and obvious lack of critical thought on the subject.

Then as soon as we fully accept this unnatural life style, you will soon hear our civilization , accepting......incest seeing it as just an alternative life style........................beastuaility (having sex with animals) ..................rape .........................and pedophilia ...............  am telling you our future aint looking too good .


i bet you would be the first to accept em too.

When someone replies to you, it's useful to actually read their reply.  But I suppose I can repeat myself...

On the subject of natural vs unnatural: 

Homosexuality has been documented and observed in 1,500 species in the wild ranging from invertebrates to apes.  That, in my book, is what we refer to as "nature."

There are thousands of things in this world that humans use/do daily that are "unnatural."  Any contraceptive is unnatural. The way we grow food is unnatural.  The way we obtain meat is unnatural.  The water we drink is unnatural (for obvious good reasons).  Having sex with no intention to reproduce is unnatural.  The size of the human population is unnatural.  Just about every medication you've ever taken is unnatural.  The list goes on for days...

Shall we persistently oppose all of these things?  A lot of people are going to die (probably both you and I will be included in that) if we oppose these things, among others.  Our entire civilization and daily methods of living are unnatural.  We defy nature constantly to survive above our carrying capacity.  Clearly, "unnatural" things are not inherently bad...(if you have a counter argument to this, I'd be glad to hear it; I have a feeling you don't even want a discussion).


The rest of your post is full of nonsense.  Again, there is no relation between homosexuality and pedophilia, bestiality, rape, or incest.  If there were, surely you could make a logical case for it rather than just repeating the words over and over (that means I'd like to hear your argument on their connection).

If the best opposing argument against homosexuality you can think of is that it will inevitably lead to pedophilia, rape, etc. then you haven't given this hardly any thought.  Why in the hell would our laws on pedophilia, rape, etc. change because we allow same sex marriages?  Our laws and negative views towards those CRIMINAL actions haven't loosened up a bit since more and more people have "come out."  Please explain why they would magically change if we accept same sex marriage.  (Hint: They wont, they're not related topics)

On a random note, according to your religion, mankind's current existence has it's roots in incest.

well i guess the supreme court thinks differently from you. lol    thank god they do!!!

[liljp617]

They did nothing but uphold bigotry in a country founded upon the sole principles of liberty and equality.

It won't last.  The Constitution always has the last word on these issues.

[SophiaStucki]

The issue with gay marriage is so much more than just marriage. If gay marriage is allowed than for me to teach my children that being gay is against our beliefs makes me a bad person. It also makes it against the law for any church to not allow a service for a gay couple to be performed in their location. Why should we give up our right of religious freedom, and beliefs? I have a lot of gay friends, many of which are against gay marriage, I love them just as much as anyone else but would I want them to marriaged in my church absolutely not, we do not believe in gay marriage.

[gena33612]

You know...  We have a weird situation in my house.  My husband is a Christian, quietly but still believes.  Myself, not so much.  I don't believe I am an athiest, but I have a tremendously hard time swallowing the Bible and the Christian teachings.

Take it at a base (not literal) level, and the Bible is great.  Love your fellow man, honor your parents, don't steal or lie...etc.  All of that is good and things that should be taught to children.

However, this kind of thing (gay marriage bans) ticks me off.  These types of things are the REASON that I shun organized religion.  "Love everyone...unless they are different from us.  Then, they go straight to hell."  I mean, how is this a loving way to be?

Anyway.  So, my son comes home from school the other day and tells me someone called someone else a *bleep*.  And he wants to know what that means.  So, I tell him, that is an ugly word for someone who is gay, or homosexual.  I remind him of a few couples and familes we know that are in same-sex relationships.  So he is cool with it and understands.

My CHILD....grade school child, understands and immediately accepts the concept and sees no problem with it.  So, who are we to judge anyone?  What makes ME able to love a man and marry him but not the homoesexual guy who lives next door?  Love is love.  Period.  I don't care what anyone says, and I don't particularly care what the Bible says about it either.

If you, a human being love another human being, that's it.  It is simple.  If you are willing to get married, and they are willing to marry you, so be it. 

No gay couple that has ever been married, or ever will get married, will EVER have ANY impact on my own marriage.  Anyone who says differently is dead wrong.  Mind your own business and do what makes you happy, in my opinion.

[liljp617]

It also makes it against the law for any church to not allow a service for a gay couple to be performed in their location. Why should we give up our right of religious freedom, and beliefs?

No it does not.  Churches already, 100%, have the ability to deny any couple a union.  They would maintain that right, as there is separation of church and state (works both ways).  You would be hard pressed to find many proponents of gay marriage who want laws forcing involuntary churches to marry same sex couples.

The fact of the matter is that marriage is inherently a LEGAL union in the US, not a religious one.  Again, you're not married simply because your priest says so, you're married because the state says you legally can be and provides you the legal documentation confirming your union.  Thus, any two consenting adults should legally be capable of getting married by a state official and there's nothing but prejudice stopping this from happening at the state/legal level.

[SoontobeLane36]

Marriage should be between a man and a woman. Period.

Thank you.  Your deep critical thought into the subject is astounding on many levels.  You must be a scholar of some nature?

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and from liljp..... who would of thought.........  

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[mlbevins]

They did nothing but uphold bigotry in a country founded upon the sole principles of liberty and equality.

It won't last.  The Constitution always has the last word on these issues.

Were you awake during history class.  People originally came to this country for religious freedom.  I agree with the liberty part, but not equality.  Remeber there were slaves back in the day.

[underoathlive]

I use to be bi-sexual when I was younger (husband says I'm straight) so I of course believe in gay marrige. Heck, if we can choose to get abortions why the heck can't two people who are in love get married! It's not fair for them. Who gives a heck if you don't believe in it, it should still be legal.

[jenniferoo]

Call me too conservative, but I believe in Gay Unions. Marriage is a holy union between a man and a woman. I do not believe denying anyone the right to have a life partner, children, joint bank accounts, homes. When society denies anyone these fundamental rights, it is wrong. I hope that legislation allows unions for people that wish to enjoy rights that every citizen deserves.

[liljp617]

They did nothing but uphold bigotry in a country founded upon the sole principles of liberty and equality.

It won't last.  The Constitution always has the last word on these issues.

Were you awake during history class.  People originally came to this country for religious freedom.  I agree with the liberty part, but not equality.  Remeber there were slaves back in the day.

With freedom of religion comes freedom from religion.  The country was founded on secular ideals and separation of religion and government.

I think we're also forgetting:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

We may have gotten off on the wrong foot with slavery and it took a while, but we eventually took a great step forward in recognizing the right to being treated equally regardless of the divisions society places upon us.

[KarinAntal]

it does not matter who you love. the government shouldnt be able to tell you who you can and cannot marry. marriage is about a commitment between 2 people, and no one else should get involved in those 2 people's decision to commit to one another. 

[liljp617]

it does not matter who you love. the government shouldnt be able to tell you who you can and cannot marry. marriage is about a commitment between 2 people, and no one else should get involved in those 2 people's decision to commit to one another. 

There are situations (somewhat obvious ones) where they should get involved, but your point is taken.

[mlainez]

WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO PEOPLE?!?!

[liljp617]

WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO PEOPLE?!?!

Rationality and intelligence.

[solomahn1]

I know what you mean man I use to model and i'm straight to and I did get the cooties being around them. So I say if choose that lifestyle go for it.