Is anybody following the news on these 20 states?

[vp44]

LOL Get our country back, where did it go. Really stop all the bought Government and allowing rich to control what they do and make them work for the people.  This secede thing has happened before and it didn't get anywhere then. So Good luck with that. 

[ktheodos]

It's crazy, and it's more about the message its sending than anything

[dauna]

I seem to recall the Supreme Court already delivered a slap-down regarding this issue.  Wouldn't be surprised if they have done it more than once.

[jcribb16]

Give me a break, do you really believe any of this, LOL.

The petitions are more believable than any superstitious religious belief's mythologies.

No one else brought religion into this - why must you?  I didn't think you would actually troll a non-religious thread to speak against religion.  I guess I was wrong...

[jcribb16]

Mainly it is the intent to get the government's attention that the citizens are not happy with the direction of America under Obama's leadership.  The people are allowed to petition their government, and many want to remind the government that they work for the people, not the other way around.

The concerning thing about this, though, is how will the government react?  Will they listen and back off from some of these things they are doing, or will they ignore and carry on?  Will Obama decide to declare Martial Law, and then become an overall dictator?  He has civilian armies already ready to fight; he has signed numerous executive orders for action against the people, if needed.  He is not playing fair here, and people are fed up and letting them know they are.  But, I feel he does not give a care and will do exactly what he has already planned to do, which I feel, personally, is to the detriment of America, as we are known for.

[vp44]

Mainly it is the intent to get the government's attention that the citizens are not happy with the direction of America under Obama's leadership.  The people are allowed to petition their government, and many want to remind the government that they work for the people, not the other way around.

The concerning thing about this, though, is how will the government react?  Will they listen and back off from some of these things they are doing, or will they ignore and carry on?  Will Obama decide to declare Martial Law, and then become an overall dictator?  He has civilian armies already ready to fight; he has signed numerous executive orders for action against the people, if needed.  He is not playing fair here, and people are fed up and letting them know they are.  But, I feel he does not give a care and will do exactly what he has already planned to do, which I feel, personally, is to the detriment of America, as we are known for.

(cough) scare monger. (hiccup) LIES!

[skrogman]

vp44, no I am sorry to disagree with you.  However, I believe, according to what I am reading, that jcribb may be spot on in that post.  This is real and scary and truly I do fear that this may be leading to marshall law being declared.  I would like to truly continue to look into what is going on in this story.  If it is a message to be delivered, then again, jcribb may be right in not knowing how the President will react.  There are just too many variables here.  I would hate to think that my Christmas dinner might be K-rations.

[falcon9]

Mainly it is the intent to get the government's attention that the citizens are not happy with the direction of America under Obama's leadership.  The people are allowed to petition their government, and many want to remind the government that they work for the people, not the other way around.

While individual citizens have a Constitutional right to petition the federal government, it's doubtful that they will actually secede from the union.

The concerning thing about this, though, is how will the government react?  Will they listen and back off from some of these things they are doing, or will they ignore and carry on?

It can be estimated that a required response, (such as to Texas achieving over the minimum 25,000 signatures which would require a federal government response), will be of a placating political nature.  That is, political frustrations of the 'losing side' would be addressed but, not conceded to.

Will Obama decide to declare Martial Law, and then become an overall dictator?  He has civilian armies already ready to fight; he has signed numerous executive orders for action against the people, if needed.

Unless Texans, (or others), rise up in armed rebellion, it is entirely unlikely that either Martial law, dictatorship or use of force against "peaceful petition requests' will manifest.  Suggesting that they would is irresponsibly alarmist in lieu of valid referential evidence, (which does not consist of cited 'opinionsof 'intentions' but, would have to be incontravertible hard evidence).
 

He is not playing fair here, and people are fed up and letting them know they are.  But, I feel he does not give a care and will do exactly what he has already planned to do, which I feel, personally, is to the detriment of America, as we are known for.

Presenting such a "strawman argument" as if it were a factual 'action plan' is an specious scare tactic pontification.  The states won't legally secede. Martial law will not be declared because that would be an over-reaction to the petitions.  No 'Obama dictatorship' will be declared because that would be an over-reaction to the petitions.  No armed response to the petitions will occur sans an armed rebellion from the petitioners because that would be an over-reaction to the petitions.

[masked_brown_guy]

If you showed the map of the united states to an uneducated person, it would look like 50 different countries. We have two major political parties, separating economic classes, and countless industries that already separate us socially. Seceding will only create more problems for the those who choose to live under a newly established government, it is a proven phenomenon, just take a look at north korea, countries in africa, eastern europe, ect. the federal government has the advantage even if 47 states secede.

[mgint]

it won't happen to hard to do under our system just people frustrated with election.

[moonangel]

and its 30 states now and what do they think they are doing those states will lose the govenment help they get ,wont they like for schools and roads etc???

[dreamyxo]

My state isn't one of those stupid states so I don't care.  Let them succeed see how long they last without money from the federal government.  They would go bankrupt in no time.  No more social security for them, no more SSI, medicare, welfare, food stamps, no money for schools, colleges, loans.   Don't let a natural disaster happen. Then what?

[jcribb16]

Mainly it is the intent to get the government's attention that the citizens are not happy with the direction of America under Obama's leadership.  The people are allowed to petition their government, and many want to remind the government that they work for the people, not the other way around.

The concerning thing about this, though, is how will the government react?  Will they listen and back off from some of these things they are doing, or will they ignore and carry on?  Will Obama decide to declare Martial Law, and then become an overall dictator?  He has civilian armies already ready to fight; he has signed numerous executive orders for action against the people, if needed.  He is not playing fair here, and people are fed up and letting them know they are.  But, I feel he does not give a care and will do exactly what he has already planned to do, which I feel, personally, is to the detriment of America, as we are known for.

(cough) scare monger. (hiccup) LIES!

I said, "personally."  There are a great many people thinking the same - if you were to look under We the People, you would see what is behind the states petitioning the gov't, and I am only speaking one of many.  There is the saying, too, "Time will tell..."

[jcribb16]

Mainly it is the intent to get the government's attention that the citizens are not happy with the direction of America under Obama's leadership.  The people are allowed to petition their government, and many want to remind the government that they work for the people, not the other way around.

While individual citizens have a Constitutional right to petition the federal government, it's doubtful that they will actually secede from the union.

The concerning thing about this, though, is how will the government react?  Will they listen and back off from some of these things they are doing, or will they ignore and carry on?

It can be estimated that a required response, (such as to Texas achieving over the minimum 25,000 signatures which would require a federal government response), will be of a placating political nature.  That is, political frustrations of the 'losing side' would be addressed but, not conceded to.

Will Obama decide to declare Martial Law, and then become an overall dictator?  He has civilian armies already ready to fight; he has signed numerous executive orders for action against the people, if needed.

Unless Texans, (or others), rise up in armed rebellion, it is entirely unlikely that either Martial law, dictatorship or use of force against "peaceful petition requests' will manifest.  Suggesting that they would is irresponsibly alarmist in lieu of valid referential evidence, (which does not consist of cited 'opinionsof 'intentions' but, would have to be incontravertible hard evidence).
 

He is not playing fair here, and people are fed up and letting them know they are.  But, I feel he does not give a care and will do exactly what he has already planned to do, which I feel, personally, is to the detriment of America, as we are known for.

Presenting such a "strawman argument" as if it were a factual 'action plan' is an specious scare tactic pontification.  The states won't legally secede. Martial law will not be declared because that would be an over-reaction to the petitions.  No 'Obama dictatorship' will be declared because that would be an over-reaction to the petitions.  No armed response to the petitions will occur sans an armed rebellion from the petitioners because that would be an over-reaction to the petitions.

To your first response, that's why I said the states doing this are mainly trying to get the government's attention - I believe it would be highly unlikely the states would secede or even be allowed to.  They want the government to listen, and have the Constitutional right to petition the gov't.

I wasn't attempting to give a "strawman argument."  I was sharing potential questions or reactions for and to this situation.  In the first place, who would have ever speculated that this many states would even be petitioning the gov't in the first place?  Something is obviously going on and something will have to happen to either appease the people, or appease the gov't, and I feel the people should be knowledgeable with what is happening in our own country. 

[jcribb16]

vp44, no I am sorry to disagree with you.  However, I believe, according to what I am reading, that jcribb may be spot on in that post.  This is real and scary and truly I do fear that this may be leading to marshall law being declared.  I would like to truly continue to look into what is going on in this story.  If it is a message to be delivered, then again, jcribb may be right in not knowing how the President will react.  There are just too many variables here.  I would hate to think that my Christmas dinner might be K-rations.

Thank you for that.  I just feel, at this point, we the people, need to be watching this, researching what this means (with so many states involved), and be knowledgeable with what is happening.  I am going back through and re-studying the Constitution, and anything to do with how the people can petition the gov't, for whatever reason/s, and what happens if the gov't does listen or refuses to listen, and ramifications that can happen from that.  There are a great many things going on behind the scenes with the gov't, and personally, I feel they are based on personal agendas that are not based on the will of the people.