New Christian Question #2: In the book of Jobe (spelling?) my fiance said they

[hitch0403]

Many of the accounts in the Old Testament need to be read in their entirety, including perhaps a translation with it, to help clarify what some of the words meant.  Also, a Bible handbook helps with understanding the culture and ways of the times back then.  God loved and blessed His people, yet punished when they went astray.  Just as a parent today disciplines their child when they disobey.

Yes, except Job hadn't gone astray if you read the first chapter of the Book of Job so the intent couldn't have been punitive.  In fact, God boosts about what a blameless and upright man he is to Satan (Job 1:2) which sets it all in motion.  The parental analogy really doesn't hold up because no loving parent would willing allow a third party to abuse his or her child.  Under the law, most, if not all, jurisdictions would prosecute both parties for child abuse.

Try reading Carl Jung's Answer to Job if you are interested in considering other points of view.  Since Jung's father was a minister, Carl Jung did not publish it during his father's lifetime.  Basically, Jung concludes that God as described in the Old Testament and the Book of Job in particular is not only arbitrary and capricious, but schizophrenic given his actions (or lack thereof).

you seem to miss the universal issue here.First off in Eden satan challenges Jehovahs right to rule.Then in Job satan contends man only serves God for selfish reasons.Didnt God allow Jesus to be put to death?Jesus gave the best answer out of LOVE and that there is only 1 TRUE God and rightful ruler of the universe.

Satan proved a liar.....Gods name vindicated!!This will never happen again.It is proved once and for all by what Jesus did that Jehovah is God!!Wasnt Jesus Jehovahs begotten son?Stop putting human elements in this for child abuse.GEEESHHHHHH always comparing mans crap to Gods thooughts.

The name Jehovah means "He causes to become"

His purpose of creating man and being the rightful sovereign will come to pass.Satan threw a roadblock in it but it will end soon.

[falcon9]

The name Jehovah means "He causes to become"

No, it doesn't mean that except to the faith-blinded.

The NWT or New World Translation is the translation that is only used by Jehovah's Witnesses.  It is the single worst translation available today and is deliberately mistranslated to fit their agenda.   

And just fyi...God's name is not Jehovah.  In Hebrew if you take the vowels from "Elohim" (in this case the form Eloha) which is the generic name for God and put them under the consonants of God's name, you get Jehovah (YeHoVa).  If you use the vowels that are actually there, then you get YAHWEH.  That is the name of the God of the Bible that is typically translated in English "The LORD." 

[hitch0403]

To anyone who isn't aware:

The NWT or New World Translation is the translation that is only used by Jehovah's Witnesses.  It is the single worst translation available today and is deliberately mistranslated to fit their agenda.  I would commend that one to you about as much as Thomas Jefferson's "translation" of the Bible.

And just fyi...God's name is not Jehovah.  In Hebrew if you take the vowels from "Elohim" (in this case the form Eloha) which is the generic name for God and put them under the consonants of God's name, you get Jehovah (YeHoVa).  If you use the vowels that are actually there, then you get YAHWEH.  That is the name of the God of the Bible that is typically translated in English "The LORD." 

The name Jehovah doesnt only appear in NWT.I told u if u read my posts KJV Psalms 83:18.

Go resurrect Jefferson

[bobes915]

Yes, and the KJV has it wrong too.  Not a huge deal, I'm just letting you know what it actually says in Hebrew since I can read it.   

However, if you are really promoting the reading of the New World Translation, then I have very little interest in anything you have to say.   

[falcon9]

To anyone who isn't aware:

The NWT or New World Translation is the translation that is only used by Jehovah's Witnesses.  It is the single worst translation available today and is deliberately mistranslated to fit their agenda.  I would commend that one to you about as much as Thomas Jefferson's "translation" of the Bible.

And just fyi...God's name is not Jehovah.  In Hebrew if you take the vowels from "Elohim" (in this case the form Eloha) which is the generic name for God and put them under the consonants of God's name, you get Jehovah (YeHoVa).  If you use the vowels that are actually there, then you get YAHWEH.  That is the name of the God of the Bible that is typically translated in English "The LORD." 

Go resurrect Jefferson

Such are the diversionary dodges stemming from blind religious faith and belief without evidentiary basis.

[falcon9]

Yes, and the KJV has it wrong too.  Not a huge deal, I'm just letting you know what it actually says in Hebrew since I can read it.    

However, if you are really promoting the reading of the New World Translation, then I have very little interest in anything you have to say.    

As the evidence of numerous posts show, all that particular "jehovah's witness" is here to do; proselytize a superstitious religious belief and not support his specious contentions with evidence.

[tfw6693]

  Don't forget that all of Job's losses were restored.

[hitch0403]

Yes, and the KJV has it wrong too.  Not a huge deal, I'm just letting you know what it actually says in Hebrew since I can read it.   

However, if you are really promoting the reading of the New World Translation, then I have very little interest in anything you have to say.   

Well i do support NWT and KJV and the feeling is mutual.

[bobes915]

I don't have a problem with the KJV, but if you support the New World Translation, then I have news for you: you are in a cult.  That is all. 

[falcon9]

Don't forget that all of Job's losses were restored.

Even more apropos, don't forget that all of this is based upon superstious hearsay, not facts and upon specious religious beliefs, not evidence.

[hitch0403]

Don't forget that all of Job's losses were restored.

Yes TFW...God rewarded Jobs integrity

[falcon9]

I don't have a problem with the KJV, but if you support the New World Translation, then I have news for you: you are in a cult.  That is all. 

The poster you are referring to has previously indicated membership in the jw cult, (of course, cultists are inherently blind to this fact).

[hitch0403]

I don't have a problem with the KJV, but if you support the New World Translation, then I have news for you: you are in a cult.  That is all. 

Of course i knew more was coming with the cult crap.Typical...you have no interest you say but you must get your digs in too?

Take your shovel elsewhere.The bible says let your yes mean yes and no mean no.If you have no interest fine....leave it be and end it.

[falcon9]

I don't have a problem with the KJV, but if you support the New World Translation, then I have news for you: you are in a cult.  That is all. 

Of course i knew more was coming with the cult crap.Typical...you have no interest you say but you must get your digs in too?

Take your shovel elsewhere.The bible says let your yes mean yes and no mean no.If you have no interest fine....leave it be and end it.

In other words, the jw cultist is unable to sway you from facts with specious religious propagandizing so, he will fling textual 'poo' and try subverting others with such superstitious brain-washings.

[nhendrickson]

Don't forget that all of Job's losses were restored.

After your family is slaughtered senselessly just so God/Jehovah/Yahweh can prove to Satan that he's top dog, I don't really think they can be replaced in the same way land, cattle and other chattel might be.  You may get a second family, but I doubt that they would replace the first or restore you to your previous state.