I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
Your sarcasm and lies prove you know not what you are speaking of.
His post contained no lies, as opposed to yours.
... stop spreading lies about what Christians do ...
You first.
... when you are just speaking and spewing lies and nonsense with something you don't even know the first thing about.
What "lies", be specific in your false accusations unless those false accusations are further lies on your part.
Lies in RED. I will not respond further about this to you - you seem to be enjoying speaking for the original poster instead of letting the poster speak for the poster's own self. But, it's to be expected of you, and while we are prepared for you doing so, it doesn't mean you deserve a response, if so chosen.
First and foremost one of these are LIES. None of these even CAN be lies because I am being 100% sincere in these statements. Lies by definition require me be deceitful. The word your looking for is wrong, and none of those things I stated where wrong.
There is no scientific, nor logical reason why prayer should work. When it does it is pure coincidence and when it doesn't its "gods will." The fact that its "gods will" makes prayer not only unprovable but complete unreliable. On the other hand science and medicine have proven to be effective against disease and we are continuing to improve its effectiveness. Indeed, such science is hijacked by religion. People routinely thanks god when someone gets cured, even after science help to cure that person. When someone donates their time and resources, its because they are a good person. It has and should not have anything to do with religion at all.
Religion does harm society as a whole. It has for thousands of years by suppressing scientific advancements and continues to do so by indoctrinating children by domesticating them into religious thinking and hampering what could be the next great scientist or peace activist. After all, why even bother when god can do it, right?
The fact you think that my last statement is a lie just baffles me. You do realize that, in the past at least, religious adherents routinely slaughter millions of people for having different beliefs and only because they had different beliefs? People who would otherwise never harm a soul sent to kill other people in the name of spreading their religious ideas? It is common knowledge that Atheist and those with different beliefs where suppressed for a large amount of human history (even just a couple hundred years ago.) and that mentioning dissent upon religious adherents would lead to imprisonment, public humiliation, and death. I realize this doesn't happen, at least amount mainstream Christians (because there are still christian cults that partake in mass suicides within the last 50 years), anymore. But it still happened, and it's still a fact that the actions of past religious adherents are still felt to this day, and these actions have negatively impacted humanity as a whole.
I've already been round and round with falcon9 on your last paragraph - think what you want - you are adamant about what you think about that, it will be a total waste of time to repeat myself for the umpteenth time, when they are in current threads for all to read.
As for the rest, you correctly stated that religion should have nothing to do with donating time, money, clothes, etc. It should be any and everyone, out of the kindness and generosity of their hearts, who would do whatever they choose to do to help. However, you made it appear as if Christians don't do those things, but only pray and leave it up to everyone else. So I was clarifying to you that Christians are normal people like everyone else, including doing the things listed, along with prayer.
So, I won't call what you said, LIES, but I will definitely say what you said about Christians not helping, and instead causing deaths, is WRONG - and perhaps some research on your end will show you that thousands of people, Christian, dis-believers, of other beliefs, etc., are helping in the nation, country, and world.
I never stated nor implied that Christians do not donate. I implicitly stated in one of my earlier post that Christians do donate to such causes, and its a good thing. But at the same time, religion can cause unneeded harm as I have also stated and that just because Christians and Religious Adherents do that which is good (donate, volunteer, help others) that it cannot forgive them for other atrocities that religion causes in total. If we take out the religious aspects of donating, not only would there probably be more donating (because there is less time wasted on praying) but we would also not have our scientific advancements stifled by organizations that repress logical reasoning. They indoctrinate people (who would be perfectly good human beings anyway) to adhere to religious faith where they may have otherwise pursued the cure for cancer.
Like I said, you are going to think what you choose to think, period. You are holding today's Christians' responsible for something they did NOT do, nor do they approve of what those others did, using GOD'S NAME to achieve their personal vendettas of hatred of certain groups/types of people. This is exactly what you and another poster are doing as well - trying to achieve your personal vendettas of hatred toward Christians, today, who genuinely love the Lord, and love their "neighbors" as asked by Christ to do. The only thing you two have NOT done is getting rid of Christians' lives on here - thank goodness we have a computer screen in between.
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Topic: I have finally put my life in the hands of the Lord (Read 24914 times)
January 10, 2008, 08:21:15 am
