Subforum suggestion

[southernhorizons]

There seems to be a lot of complaints about so-called Christian "persecution", rudeness, etc. when certain people post religious threads and don't like the negative responses. I suspect that a lot of times, they are doing it to start an argument, at least they know the consequences before they post, so they are not exactly innocent victims.
Anyway, maybe Admin could start a subforum for non-discussion posts, so that people who want to ask for prayers, or post daily bible quotes, or even daily wiccan spells (or whatever they're called), can do so without being challenged. Then if they post these things in the regular forums, they have no one but themselves to blame for the attacks.

[premar16]

Cool I like that as long as people dont use it to post mean things but i like idea of a prayer/best wishes/hopes/thoughts of the day board its optimisitc and all religions and i mean allll should be able to participate

[falcon9]

There seems to be a lot of complaints about so-called Christian "persecution", rudeness, etc. when certain people post religious threads and don't like the negative responses. I suspect that a lot of times, they are doing it to start an argument, at least they know the consequences before they post, so they are not exactly innocent victims.
Anyway, maybe Admin could start a subforum for non-discussion posts, so that people who want to ask for prayers, or post daily bible quotes, or even daily wiccan spells (or whatever they're called), can do so without being challenged. Then if they post these things in the regular forums, they have no one but themselves to blame for the attacks.

At least you're honest enough about trying to suggest a subforum to suppress opposing viewpoints however, if no replies are permitted, such would simply be unchallenged declarations, (which should fall under FC's policy for locking threads which contain inaccurate information).

[falcon9]

Cool I like that as long as people dont use it to post mean things but i like idea of a prayer/best wishes/hopes/thoughts of the day board its optimisitc and all religions and i mean allll should be able to participate

They'd still use it for unopposed religious proselytizing, (and this was revealed as the actual intent of the suggestion).  There are other venues for such things as xtians competing to see who is the most faith-blinded, such would extraneous on FC as they already have the "ignore" button here.

The suggestion could be modified to simplify the contentious situation; FC could prohibit any overtly religious posts.  That way, there's nothing to overtly contend, (this is not an actual suggestion since it would be unworkable; religious adherents toss their belief into unrelated threads and forums now, and would again).

[vp44]

We can only hope that this happens. Would be nice though.

[falcon9]

Hopefully, such a blatant suggestion to suppress opposition to religious oppression will be disregarded as the offensive idea it is.

[ro901]

damn, falcon, just take a chill pill and relax. Is somebody holding a gun to your head telling you what to read and what not to read? Geeze! Man, I don't like a whole lot of things about this society that I've lived in for 60 fn years and I've learned to just turn my head to most of it. So what's wrong with freedom of speech?

[falcon9]

damn, falcon, just take a chill pill and relax. Is somebody holding a gun to your head telling you what to read and what not to read? Geeze! Man, I don't like a whole lot of things about this society that I've lived in for 60 fn years and I've learned to just turn my head to most of it. So what's wrong with freedom of speech?

Exactly, what's wrong with freedom of speech when it disagrees with yours?  It eitehr works both ways or doesn't work at all.

[ro901]

I thought the point of a subforum was so you didn't have to read it unless you actually wanted to. What's wrong with that? Ok..so like I'd like to see a subforum on holistic medicine. Would that be so wrong?

[falcon9]

I thought the point of a subforum was so you didn't have to read it unless you actually wanted to. What's wrong with that?

That isn't the point of a subforum though.  There's no requirement to read/post to any forum or subforum.  The suggestion to restrict responses in regards to religious posts so that such proselytization could go unopposed was made and objected to.

Ok..so like I'd like to see a subforum on holistic medicine. Would that be so wrong?

Not every subject matter needs its own forum or subforum; that's why FC established the Off Topic forum and Debate & Discuss subforum, (and the D&D subforum already lists contentious subjects such as religion and politics).  A thread on "holistic medicine" could be started in the Off Topic forum and therefore, doesn't need a separate subforum. 

If one reads the OP's suggestion down-thread, it was to "start a subforum for non-discussion posts, so that people who want to ask for prayers, or post daily bible quotes, or even daily wiccan spells (or whatever they're called), can do so without being challenged".  That means a request for an unopposed platform for religious proselytiation was being made so that specious religious claims could go unchallenged.

[ro901]

So, apparently, the OP is asking for an Off Topic category that would not be included for debate, such as a "Religious Only" category. That might actually be a good idea and would eliminate any risk of oppression of non-religious readers. I can respect anyone's right to their own belief system whether I agree with it or not and I can appreciate limiting posts of that nature to a particular area so that no one feels threatened by expounding on their own religious faith so long as they keep it within that assigned category of Off Topic.   

[falcon9]

So, apparently, the OP is asking for an Off Topic category that would not be included for debate, such as a "Religious Only" category. That might actually be a good idea and would eliminate any risk of oppression of non-religious readers.

No, not every subject matter needs its own forum or subforum; that's why FC established the Off Topic forum and Debate & Discuss subforum, (and the D&D subforum already lists contentious subjects such as religion and politics).  The suggestion is essentially for a platform for unopposed religious proselytization which suppresses dissent.  That's not a good idea since FC is not a theocracy.

I can respect anyone's right to their own belief system whether I agree with it or not and I can appreciate limiting posts of that nature to a particular area so that no one feels threatened by expounding on their own religious faith so long as they keep it within that assigned category of Off Topic.   

Such "limits" being suggested are the total suppression of dissent.  Instead of such oppressive "limits", I can appreciate the option to oppose such repressive religious 'suggestions'.

[vp44]

Therefore he/she seem to think they will not be able to express all their thinking's of what isn't or is real of when the word GOD is spoken. I for one am tired of repeated post of what may or may not be real when the word GOD is spoken. Freedom of speech is well known, but also freedom of religion is also well known. Freedom to not be condemned of what you believe in and Freedom to have choices of what is spoken without being criticized or corrected by someone who thinks that GOD doesn't or have never existed. Its just tiresome to think if you post your prayer that there is this person who is gonna come in and comment with their thoughts of whats wrong with your belief. Can we not just send a prayer without someone saying something against it. This is a moderated forum after all.

[falcon9]

Therefore he/she seem to think they will not be able to express all their thinking's of what isn't or is real of when the word GOD is spoken. I for one am tired of repeated post of what may or may not be real when the word GOD is spoken.

The above emphasizes precisely why a suggestion for unopposed religious proselytization is a subpar idea.  It promotes blind faith and religious superstition by 'suggesting' that a platform for unopposed religious propaganda be established when there already is a forum, (Off Topic), and subforum, (Debate & Discuss), available for such topics.  Apparently, there are some religious adherents who would suppress dissent if they could and are 'suggesting' that FC do so.  That's not only reprehensible, it's un-American and suppression was not what I served in the military to protect. 

Freedom of speech is well known, but also freedom of religion is also well known. Freedom to not be condemned of what you believe in and Freedom to have choices of what is spoken without being criticized or corrected by someone who thinks that GOD doesn't or have never existed. Its just tiresome to think if you post your prayer that there is this person who is gonna come in and comment with their thoughts of whats wrong with your belief. Can we not just send a prayer without someone saying something against it. This is a moderated forum after all.

These forums are not moderated to suppress dissent against superstitious religious beliefs.  Those who have the option to express such "faith" do not have the option to suppress dissent.  Those with dissenting viewpoints have the same option as religious adherents, otherwise it's a one-way street which should be opposed.

[Optiwoman]

Even if there were such a board, it wouldn't matter. Given the number of religious threads that are not in the off topic/debate forum, they would still post everywhere.