Cowards

[falcon9]

If someone post about their beliefs and you don't agree, just don't comment. Same if someone post who don't believe, don't comment. Sometimes the best thing you can do for yourself and others is to keep your comments to yourself.

The problem with that is that it's one-sided.  You fundies appear to believe in several falsehoods; in this instance, that you're permitted to post about 'private' religious beliefs, (thus making them public), but believe that others shouldn't comment in opposition.  That's irrational, suppressive and disregarded as such.

No, it's not one-sided. 

The suggestion to not comment, (made by both of you), is one-sided.  If you don't like dissenting viewpoints, not commenting on those would be symetrical.  Suggesting that dissenters not comment on religious topics is one-sided.
 

It's definitely two-sided.  Believers share inspiration, while you oppose vehemently through mocking and bashing.  Your side counts within the issue here.

Your religiously-biased illogic aside, (because that's been pointed out numerous times already); the point is that a few of you xtians have been trying to suppress opposing viewpoints by falsely characterizing them variously as "mocking", "bashing", "rude", disrespectful" and in any way which promotes restricting/censoring/suppressing opposing viewpoints.  Just as you have the option to continue such an ineffective campaign, so too do others have the same option to oppose such repressive tactics employed by faith blinded xtians.

[falcon9]

I've had no problem with what falcon is saying, He's simply trying to make you xtians see how illogical and indefensible your, or any religion, is.  You have no facts that support what you believe in. 

That's the gist of it; without substantive evidence, the superstitions they 'believe in' must rely entirely upon blind faith alone.  No logical arguments or rational basis for a superstitious religious belief has been presented, (such irrational things are apparently 'believed' because the holder of such an illogical belief chooses to do so, not because there's any substantive supporting evidence for it - because none is presented).

[falcon9]

No matter how many times you keep trying to infer that Christians, as a whole, are connected to the Crusades, witch burnings, etc., you are showing your misunderstanding and intolerance again and again to those believers ...

It was xtians who participated in all three crusades against non-xtians and were responsible for so many deaths.  It was xtians who prosecuted the Inquistions and witch hunts which resulted in the torture and deaths of xtians and non-xtians alike.  It was the exact same xtian religious beliefs which were the underlying basis of those atrocities and are being "shared", (your word for it), today.  Undoubtedly, xtians today would prefer that the same religious belief system as those previous xtians held blindly to not be associated in any way with the exact same religion.  This is however, an irrational preference because the religious belief system is not essentially different in any significant ways.

[jcribb16]

If someone post about their beliefs and you don't agree, just don't comment. Same if someone post who don't believe, don't comment. Sometimes the best thing you can do for yourself and others is to keep your comments to yourself.

The problem with that is that it's one-sided.  You fundies appear to believe in several falsehoods; in this instance, that you're permitted to post about 'private' religious beliefs, (thus making them public), but believe that others shouldn't comment in opposition.  That's irrational, suppressive and disregarded as such.

No, it's not one-sided. 

The suggestion to not comment, (made by both of you), is one-sided.  If you don't like dissenting viewpoints, not commenting on those would be symetrical.  Suggesting that dissenters not comment on religious topics is one-sided.
 

It's definitely two-sided.  Believers share inspiration, while you oppose vehemently through mocking and bashing.  Your side counts within the issue here.

Your religiously-biased illogic aside, (because that's been pointed out numerous times already); the point is that a few of you xtians have been trying to suppress opposing viewpoints by falsely characterizing them variously as "mocking", "bashing", "rude", disrespectful" and in any way which promotes restricting/censoring/suppressing opposing viewpoints.  Just as you have the option to continue such an ineffective campaign, so too do others have the same option to oppose such repressive tactics employed by faith blinded xtians.

Just as you continue to deny your "dissenting opinions" are indeed "mocking," "bashing," "rude," and "disrespectful," so, too, do others have the same option to oppose such repressive tactics employed by  someone using the personal loathing of God-related posts to try and make believers cower and look stupid.  If you would attempt using mature thoughts and views on the matter, it would be worth discussing.  People can't discuss maturely with one who is hateful and mocking, in the first place, including rejecting each and every comment, quote, verse, thoughts, made by others.

 I feel sorry for your cold intolerance towards believers for something they just want to express with others who enjoy conversing (I'm speaking of Off Topic Bible verse threads, inspirational threads, or uplifting quotes.)  I feel sorry for the fact that you take your loathing of God-related things out on any believer who attempts to share anything God-related.  

[falcon9]

Just as you continue to ...

What I continue to do is point out that your religious bias is reflected in the irrational repetitions of the false assertions you keep making; something you avoid adressing in your pseudo-martyrdom.  Since so many of your posts simply keep repeating refuted points, (and your denials that they were refuted), you apparently have no substantiation, (other than the inherent circularity of 'belief is faith is belief'), for your contentions you've reverted back to attacking the poster rather than the content of a post.

[falcon9]

I feel sorry for your cold intolerance towards believers for something they just want to express with others who enjoy conversing (I'm speaking of Off Topic Bible verse threads, inspirational threads, or uplifting quotes.) 

Sometimes I pity those whose blind religious faith is so self-deluding that they cannot *see* that it is blinding.  It blinds them to reason, to questioning assumptions and to the very "tolerance" which they want from others being withheld from 'non-believers'.  It blinds them to the inherently offensive nature of religious proselytizing with "verses" and faith-based platitudes, (including those stolen from other belief systems).  It blinds them to the documented facts of the crusades, inquistions, witch hunts and other xtian-instigated atrocities having the same foundational religious beliefs as they hold.  It's ironic when the faith-blinded speak hypocritcally of "enlightenment" when none are so blind as the self-blinded ones of faith.

[jcribb16]

I've had no problem with what falcon is saying, He's simply trying to make you xtians see how illogical and indefensible your, or any religion, is.  You have no facts that support what you believe in. 

That's the gist of it; without substantive evidence, the superstitions they 'believe in' must rely entirely upon blind faith alone.  No logical arguments or rational basis for a superstitious religious belief has been presented, (such irrational things are apparently 'believed' because the holder of such an illogical belief chooses to do so, not because there's any substantive supporting evidence for it - because none is presented).

And this makes you so concerned for the believers that you feel you must oppress them with your views?  No go.  You, and this other poster, can believe how illogical it is, but it comes down to each individual, making their own personal choices, in the situation.

 Remember the Constitution you brought up?  You bring it up, in your defense, which I already said you and others have the rights and freedoms to dis-believe or believe how you choose.  Yet, you are not accepting the fact that the Constitution is also protecting the rights of people who do choose to believe in God, or whatever religion they feel is best for them.

 It may seem illogical to the both of you, but get over it.  Trying to browbeat believers for not accepting what you choose to accept, is domineering and rude.  You have chosen your paths; so have we, as believers.  Don't like it?  No apology is necesary nor will be given for something someone believes in strongly about, no matter how foolishly you keep trying to make believers look.  No one is harping on your dis-belief at all; only your cold intolerance of their choice to believe in God.

 You are accountable for your choices, just as believers are for theirs - fairness and common courtesy are sorely lacking from you, yet the same fairness/common courtesy is being given to you because of your right to choose your own desired path.  You should be examining your own motives of why you are doing what you are towards believers.

 It's strange we still haven't seen any threads started by you regarding your choice of dis-belief, including the why's, and reasons, for your choice.  It's strange that you can accept those who have chosen *Wicca, and even start a thread of info for anyone of interest, even though you aren't Wiccan,  yet you can't extend the same acceptance and info for believers.  And then get miffed if a believer even comes in the Wiccan thread to comment at all, on anything about it.  Which means, you are apparently trying to make that thread a believer-free, Wiccan exclusive country club, for you, those who practice Wiccan, or those who are interested enough to ask questions. 

*PLEASE NOTE:  I am not saying anything against those who practice Wiccan - that's your choice and belief, as Christianity is for me.  I have no issue with your choice.  I am only speaking of the unfairness and lack of common courtesy of one towards only believers in Christ. 

Of course, we already know you will deny this and twist my words around, because you cannot and will not tolerate anyone daring to challenge you, or make it seem in any way whatsoever that you are showing bias or are a tad wrong with some of your comments, etc.  But that's okay - we see and read what is going on, what your purpose is, and expect your comebacks - no surprises there.  You don't wish to see the truth of your bias towards only the believers, but others do see it, and no other explanation is needed. 

[jcribb16]

I've had no problem with what falcon is saying, He's simply trying to make you xtians see how illogical and indefensible your, or any religion, is.  You have no facts that support what you believe in. 

Says you.  Thank you for your opinion and thoughts on the matter.  I'm sorry you refuse to see how believing in God is logical for believers.  I respect your choice in dis-believing, and only ask for the same in return. 

Any evidence provided by believers is refused by a couple of posters, but to outright say that my God and my belief in Him is illogical and indefensible, and have no facts supporting my beliefs, is strictly your opinion and thoughts, and do not sway me from my confidence I have in Christ.  I'm not saying how illogical you are for dis-believing, because it's your life and your personal right to dis-believe.  I would only ask for the same respect in return, even if you disagree with my choice or think I'm stupid, the point is that I'm free to make my own choice, too, and do not have to explain myself over and over, and do not have to accept your trying to make me appear illogical, insane, or even irrational, for believing in God. 

[JediJohnnie]

I've had no problem with what falcon is saying, He's simply trying to make you xtians see how illogical and indefensible your, or any religion, is.  You have no facts that support what you believe in. 

Says you.  Thank you for your opinion and thoughts on the matter.  I'm sorry you refuse to see how believing in God is logical for believers.  I respect your choice in dis-believing, and only ask for the same in return. 

Any evidence provided by believers is refused by a couple of posters, but to outright say that my God and my belief in Him is illogical and indefensible, and have no facts supporting my beliefs, is strictly your opinion and thoughts, and do not sway me from my confidence I have in Christ.  I'm not saying how illogical you are for dis-believing, because it's your life and your personal right to dis-believe.  I would only ask for the same respect in return, even if you disagree with my choice or think I'm stupid, the point is that I'm free to make my own choice, too, and do not have to explain myself over and over, and do not have to accept your trying to make me appear illogical, insane, or even irrational, for believing in God. 

 

[jcribb16]

No matter how many times you keep trying to infer that Christians, as a whole, are connected to the Crusades, witch burnings, etc., you are showing your misunderstanding and intolerance again and again to those believers ...

It was xtians who participated in all three crusades against non-xtians and were responsible for so many deaths.  It was xtians who prosecuted the Inquistions and witch hunts which resulted in the torture and deaths of xtians and non-xtians alike.  It was the exact same xtian religious beliefs which were the underlying basis of those atrocities and are being "shared", (your word for it), today.  Undoubtedly, xtians today would prefer that the same religious belief system as those previous xtians held blindly to not be associated in any way with the exact same religion.  This is however, an irrational preference because the religious belief system is not essentially different in any significant ways.

Your inability to understand the ramifications of those events of the past, including those who participated in those horrors, is really sad and pitiful.  You refuse to separate those who think they are either God, or think God told them to do those things, with those who genuinely accept Christ and try to help others in need, such as poor and needy people, providing clothes and food to those who need them, helping and supporting children and families who have disabilities, providing transportation to drs. appts., grocery shopping; or doing the shopping for them, and way more.  That is the real and genuine way of being a child of God, and follows His commandment of loving your neighbor as yourself, and helping those in need.

 It's a shame the "rotten apples" have impacted the genuine believers' reputation, and it takes a mature person to see and understand the differences, and to stop blaming believers of today for any association with those horrible people.   You are placing yourself, technically, in the role of God, and judging today's believers harshly and unfairly for the actions of those in the past whose actions went against what Jesus would have us do for the ones who have needs.  You aren't so perfect that you have the right to place yourself on a high pedestal and judge believers like you do.  We are all sinners, everyone of us, and for as much as you push this issue like you are doing, you are forgetting that you, yourself, have committed some types of sin, at one time or another, and are not any better than any one of us in this forum, whether believer, non-believer, or dis-believer.  We all need to examine our own dirty laundry before judging others' dirty laundry (figuratively speaking.)

[falcon9]

I've had no problem with what falcon is saying, He's simply trying to make you xtians see how illogical and indefensible your, or any religion, is.  You have no facts that support what you believe in.  

Says you.  I'm sorry you refuse to see how believing in God is logical for believers.  

There is no logic in holding an irrational belief based upon blind faith alone, sans evidence.

Any evidence provided by believers is refused ...

Invalid "evidence", (such as "biblical hearsay" or, unsuported belief), does not constitute evidence. Again, no valid evidence has been presented to support religious beliefs, (apparently because "faith" is a belief specifically without supporting evidence).

...I'm stupid, the point is that I'm free to make my own choice, too, and do not have to explain myself over and over, and do not have to accept your trying to make me appear illogical, insane, or even irrational, for believing in God.  

No one makes religious adherents appear as such moreso than the archived, (and current), posts of the religious adherents themselves.

[falcon9]

No matter how many times you keep trying to infer that Christians, as a whole, are connected to the Crusades, witch burnings, etc., you are showing your misunderstanding and intolerance again and again to those believers ...

It was xtians who participated in all three crusades against non-xtians and were responsible for so many deaths.  It was xtians who prosecuted the Inquistions and witch hunts which resulted in the torture and deaths of xtians and non-xtians alike.  It was the exact same xtian religious beliefs which were the underlying basis of those atrocities and are being "shared", (your word for it), today.  Undoubtedly, xtians today would prefer that the same religious belief system as those previous xtians held blindly to not be associated in any way with the exact same religion.  This is however, an irrational preference because the religious belief system is not essentially different in any significant ways.

Your inability to understand the ramifications of those events of the past, including those who participated in those horrors ...

On the contrary, I do understand the ramifications of those xtian atrocities and your desire to dissassociate yourself from those who held the exact same religious belief system.  It's called xtian hypocrisy and faith blindness.

[jcribb16]

Just as you continue to ...

What I continue to do is point out that your religious bias is reflected in the irrational repetitions of the false assertions you keep making; something you avoid adressing in your pseudo-martyrdom.  Since so many of your posts simply keep repeating refuted points, (and your denials that they were refuted), you apparently have no substantiation, (other than the inherent circularity of 'belief is faith is belief'), for your contentions you've reverted back to attacking the poster rather than the content of a post.

It's none of your concern, especially when you use such words as "irrational," "false assertions," and much more.  Who in the world do you think you are, sir?  You are certainly not going to change what I believe, and have the freedom and right to believe, no matter how stupid or irrational you "think" I am (or others are.)  You want to speak with respect and use words wisely?  Then we can do so.  Your mocking pictures, quotes, and remarks, make you one of the very last people on earth that some believers would even listen to, because of your harsh and cold manner.  You deny God - that is your choice.  I don't deny God - that is my choice.  You are simply a person on the other side of the computer screen, who has shown how much you hate God-related things, so you have totally blotched your chances of getting anyone to listen to you.  You don't want proselytizing?  I don't want cold intolerance pushed on me.

[jcribb16]

I feel sorry for your cold intolerance towards believers for something they just want to express with others who enjoy conversing (I'm speaking of Off Topic Bible verse threads, inspirational threads, or uplifting quotes.) 

Sometimes I pity those whose blind religious faith is so self-deluding that they cannot *see* that it is blinding.  It blinds them to reason, to questioning assumptions and to the very "tolerance" which they want from others being withheld from 'non-believers'.  It blinds them to the inherently offensive nature of religious proselytizing with "verses" and faith-based platitudes, (including those stolen from other belief systems).  It blinds them to the documented facts of the crusades, inquistions, witch hunts and other xtian-instigated atrocities having the same foundational religious beliefs as they hold.  It's ironic when the faith-blinded speak hypocritcally of "enlightenment" when none are so blind as the self-blinded ones of faith.

So?  Your pity won't help yourself nor anyone else when it's your time or our time to die, and what will happen beyond the burials.  If someone wants to "blind faith accept Christ" then it's none of your business what they choose.  It's also none of our business why you have chosen what you have.  So live your choice and believers will live their choice.  So simple, yet you must make a mountain out of a mole-hill, by trying to bully believers to see what YOU want them to see. 

[jcribb16]

I've had no problem with what falcon is saying, He's simply trying to make you xtians see how illogical and indefensible your, or any religion, is.  You have no facts that support what you believe in. 

Says you.  Thank you for your opinion and thoughts on the matter.  I'm sorry you refuse to see how believing in God is logical for believers.  I respect your choice in dis-believing, and only ask for the same in return. 

Any evidence provided by believers is refused by a couple of posters, but to outright say that my God and my belief in Him is illogical and indefensible, and have no facts supporting my beliefs, is strictly your opinion and thoughts, and do not sway me from my confidence I have in Christ.  I'm not saying how illogical you are for dis-believing, because it's your life and your personal right to dis-believe.  I would only ask for the same respect in return, even if you disagree with my choice or think I'm stupid, the point is that I'm free to make my own choice, too, and do not have to explain myself over and over, and do not have to accept your trying to make me appear illogical, insane, or even irrational, for believing in God. 

 

Thank you.