How To Handle Christian Persecution On FusionCash

[heroftimes]

I have facts, but you don't want to see them.   

I use reason to put the facts together that prove that God exists. It would take too long to write it all out for you, but my faith is based on fact and reason, not superstition

Please put the facts together as I openly and respectfully challenge your claims here.

Just because you insist that they have no proof doesn't mean that they really don't.

That would depend on the situation, but when everyone says they have proof and yet none provide it, there's obviously a gap in your reasoning here.

I could put the facts together, but I have to write an article and put the link on here, as it would be pretty long. It might take me a while to get enough time, as I don't have much computer time, especially since my internet's been acting up lately.

[wgoldzweig]

I have not noticed anyone on these forums being rude, but if someone was mean that shouldnt happen.

[Falconer02]

I could put the facts together, but I have to write an article and put the link on here, as it would be pretty long. It might take me a while to get enough time, as I don't have much computer time, especially since my internet's been acting up lately

Well write concisely! Take your time though.

I have facts, but you don't want to see them.

CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION ZAWMG

[southernhorizons]

I could put the facts together, but I have to write an article and put the link on here, as it would be pretty long. It might take me a while to get enough time, as I don't have much computer time, especially since my internet's been acting up lately

Well write concisely! Take your time though.

I have facts, but you don't want to see them.

CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION ZAWMG

Here is one thought, just to get you started.
Take a look around you at the natural world, the earth. Think about all the complex ecosystems, all the plant and animal life, all the microscopic organisms, many still waiting to be discovered. Look at how everything works together to make one harmonious whole (Except of course when man ruins the natural balance). Then think about how the earth is part of a vast universe, that is even more complex. how did it all start? How did so many differnet complex components all come together to form one earth, where everthing has its place and fits together so perfectly? Is it reasonable to suspect a higher Supreme Being that set everything in motion, and ordered everything perfectly, or does this look like the result of some sort of "big bang" that just happened to bring order out of chaos? How can all this have "evolved" from nothing?

[heroftimes]

Facts found: 0

At least there's on-going scientific studies that support the big bang theory.  How much support has creationism got from the scientific community? 

I could put the facts together, but I have to write an article and put the link on here, as it would be pretty long. It might take me a while to get enough time, as I don't have much computer time, especially since my internet's been acting up lately

Well write concisely! Take your time though.

I have facts, but you don't want to see them.

CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION ZAWMG

Here is one thought, just to get you started.
Take a look around you at the natural world, the earth. Think about all the complex ecosystems, all the plant and animal life, all the microscopic organisms, many still waiting to be discovered. Look at how everything works together to make one harmonious whole (Except of course when man ruins the natural balance). Then think about how the earth is part of a vast universe, that is even more complex. how did it all start? How did so many differnet complex components all come together to form one earth, where everthing has its place and fits together so perfectly? Is it reasonable to suspect a higher Supreme Being that set everything in motion, and ordered everything perfectly, or does this look like the result of some sort of "big bang" that just happened to bring order out of chaos? How can all this have "evolved" from nothing?

[southernhorizons]

Now you want to have an argument about the meaning of "facts?" Well, I have better things to do! You need to have reason and use it, to understand facts. I was trying to give an example of how to use reason, but I guess it went over your head. Anyway, I'm tired of arguing baselessly, since we could go around and around endlessly about what is a fact, and what is unbiased, and a lot more, just to waste time. I don't need scientific theories to back up what I can observe with my own eyes. There are plenty of scientific facts to back up creationism, but I'm not much interested in science, and I certainly don't want to do all the research for a useless argument that won't get either of us anywhere.

[Falconer02]

Take a look around you at the natural world, the earth. Think about all the complex ecosystems, all the plant and animal life, all the microscopic organisms, many still waiting to be discovered. Look at how everything works together to make one harmonious whole (Except of course when man ruins the natural balance).

You fail to see that these things have natural origins and natural stages and do not point to any deity mustering them up. They are certainly not designed to be 100% functional either (humans too) considering things like junk dna. This is also a naive point of view of how the world works mixed with an emotional stance. You prefer to sit behind the glass and not see nature as it actually is-- something that could easily extinguish us (and almost has numerous times in the past and continues to do so). Ecosystems are constantly changing through the ages which extinguish plant and animal life continuously. Those microscopic organisms? They once killed off over 1/3 of the human species (Bubonic plague) and many are extremely dangerous to any life. And scientifically mankind does not ruin the concept of the natural balance of things since we are part of the natural balance. Therefore anything we do, nature will remain intact and in time it will only bite us back unless we wise up.

Then think about how the earth is part of a vast universe, that is even more complex. how did it all start? How did so many differnet complex components all come together to form one earth, where everthing has its place and fits together so perfectly?

I'm certain you've never taken the law of probability into consideration. The elements to create worlds are spread all over the universe, and your definitionof 'perfect' really needs to be redefined. This planet's design is far from perfect. Need I only say "tectonic plates" to disprove your claim. The universe seems to have it out for earth too considering things like the Tunguska event or how the Yucatan peninsula was formed.

Is it reasonable to suspect a higher Supreme Being that set everything in motion, and ordered everything perfectly, or does this look like the result of some sort of "big bang" that just happened to bring order out of chaos? How can all this have "evolved" from nothing?

If that is reasonable to you, then to not show ignorance you must also take into consideration that multiple gods did it (either another 1 other or many in a group), or metaphysical extra-dimensioinal beings did it, or aliens, or etc. These ideas MUST ABSOLUTELY be on the same level as your one-god concept or there's a major flaw with your beliefs. And not many scientists will state "we came from nothing". They just don't know what happened. There's no problem with saying "I don't know". Saying you do know without any form of evidence is arrogant. There is evidence of the big bang though, which is the background microwave radiation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation

So thus far there are no scientific facts in your argument. It has only been naive claims.

[Falconer02]

I don't need scientific theories to back up what I can observe with my own eyes.

Actually you do if you're going into an argument. You will need evidences and facts to back up your claims or you will have no basis to argue. If you think your god did it and have no evidence for it, someone could easily argue the evil god Cthulhu did it and that side would have just as much weight as your own.

Keep in mind that all that science asks for is your eyes, whereas you cannot even do that with your deity. If you're going to say you see god in science, you will have to point it out with facts or evidences or you will be spouting an arrogant claim by the very definition. Complexity does not equate to a god. Even if it did, you're still left with the explanation of how it's your own god and not the millions of others.

[alice44]

I ignore or 'hide' anyone who is slanderous.  That way they are wasting their own time and not mine!
 

[falcon9]

Now you want to have an argument about the meaning of "facts?" Well, I have better things to do!

Of course you do; although this reveals merely that you wanted to promote a religious "explanation", (sans evidentiary "facts"), rather than use logical reasoning.

You need to have reason and use it, to understand facts. I was trying to give an example of how to use reason, but I guess it went over your head.

I've read your specious non-reasoning here and demonstrated an ability to actually use logical reasoning.  I understand what facts are and you've demonstrated virtually no ability to use actual logical reasoning nor, provide evidentiary facts.  Perhaps the concept of what constitiutes valid evidence eludes you.

Anyway, I'm tired of arguing baselessly, since we could go around and around endlessly about what is a fact, and what is unbiased, and a lot more, just to waste time. I don't need scientific theories to back up what I can observe with my own eyes.

What effects are observed and what causes are attributed to those effects either have an evidentiary, (scientific), basis or a basis in blind religious faith, (you've opted for the latter, faith based on belief - belief has no evidentiary basis).

There are plenty of scientific facts to back up creationism ...

There are no known scientific facts to back up "creationism", (which would be attributible evidence of a "creator" to do the "creating" and there is no such valid evidence).

... but I'm not much interested in science, and I certainly don't want to do all the research for a useless argument that won't get either of us anywhere.

The last part of your declaration epitomizes the concept of 'blind faith'; belief without evidence.

[falcon9]

I ignore or 'hide' anyone who is slanderous.  That way they are wasting their own time and not mine!
 

"Slander" has a specific legal definition for which evidence is required.  It does not constitute someone merely saying/writing something another doesn't 'like'.  false accusations of slander can be litigated if desired.  In any case, the option to ignore FC posters exists for any FC poster; "ignoring" does not consist of putting a member's posts on 'ignore' and then continuing to gossip about about them.

[bowrunner]

Just ignore the Christian persecution on FC.  They are pitiful people and should be ignored.

[falcon9]

Why should persecution and attrocities commited by xtians be ignored?  Is that what many xtians do nowadays; ignore the xtian responsibility for the deaths and suffering of the xtian-instigated crusades, the xtian-instigated inquisitions or xtian-instgated witch hunts?  Those are "pitiful" xtians indeed.

Just ignore the Christian persecution on FC.  They are pitiful people and should be ignored.

[debidoo]

  Yes, I agree.  I don't go to the wiccan daily exerpts of shadows whatever because I don't believe in that and I wouldn't bother going there to be rude to a person who apparently does believe in it however misguided I believe they are............you know you gotta wonder why if we christians don't bother them, they have to go out of their way to bother us?  Seems like a personal problem those folks have and I just keep in mind that one day "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess" so? Try not to let it bother me. Now one of the ways I don't let it bother me because one of the members is just plain rude about everyone's posts regardless is that I blocked that person so I don't have to have their rudeness shoved in my face.

[falcon9]

Yes, I agree.  I don't go to the wiccan daily exerpts of shadows whatever because I don't believe in that and I wouldn't bother going there to be rude to a person who apparently does believe in it however misguided I believe they are......you know you gotta wonder why if we christians don't bother them, they have to go out of their way to bother us?

Correcting a few of your false assumptions; other self-declared xtians have posted hypocritical remarks in that thread and two, I started that thread and am not wiccan.  The thread was started because xtianity isn't the only 'religion' there is, (wicca and satanism are also federally-recognised religions in the U.S. - much to the chagrin of fearful xtians).

Seems like a personal problem those folks have ...

Since your assumption is provably false, (archived posts by xtians trolling the wiccan thread are available as evidence), any "personal problem" is demonstrated in those xtian trolling posts.

... and I just keep in mind that one day "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess" so?

That's extremely pretentious, sanctimonious and presumptuous of a xtian to disrepectfully claim that "every knee" includes wiccans and others who don't share that religious belief or blind faith.  Hence, it's rude of you to presume any such thing and apply it to others.
 

Now one of the ways I don't let it bother me because one of the members is just plain rude about everyone's posts regardless is that I blocked that person so I don't have to have their rudeness shoved in my face.

It's ignorantly-rude to claim to have used FC's ignore function to not ignore a poster by gossiping about them anyway.  It's passive-agressively dishonest and apparently common among xtian 'ostriches'.