How To Handle Christian Persecution On FusionCash

[jcribb16]

honestly i am just tired of this topic being everywhere bottom line is everyone and i mean EVERYONE needs to respectful of others believes   i dont care if they believe in jesus,god,allah,mother earth,the goddess,the universe or a pink bunny if it keeps them from being an axe murderer than cool let everyone do what they want if they post things let them they are not hurting you and responding to comments meant to *bleep* you off is beneath us as adults and humans beings why dont we just drop it and alll be secure enough in our beliefs to the point that they do not need to be defended just observed by those willing whichever god,reliigion or pink bunny you i am now with this thread its giving me headaches.just love yourself ,your nieghbor whoever they maybe and ignore the haters.   out fools

Again, you don't need to respect something that is damaging culture and has done terrible acts in the past. You only have to acknowledge and tolerate it, but you also have every right to speak up and say why it's wrong. This is not persecution. This is not cruelty. This would just be a disagreement on principles.

Exactly so.  It's odd that some of these religious adherents who are complaining about pseudo-"persecution" on a forum seem to gloss over much worse persecution, (crusades, inquisitions, witch hunts, Westboro baptists, etc.).  Such atrocities were commited by other self-declared xtians who held the same religious beliefs as do self-declared xtians do now.

Not being able to answer or counter-argue the opposition does not mean you're being persecuted. It would be your own fault for not thinking of a rational answer and such a point should be a wakeup call to actually figuring out what's wrong with your own argument. One might learn something.

You may have hit on exactly why some religious adherents are advocating a platform for proselytizing baseless beliefs unopposed. They cannot counter dissent effectively so, they want dissent suppressed as if wanting to turn FC into a theocratic dictatorship.  Fortunately, the FC staff has demonstrated the common sense to avoid such a thing.

In red:  Do you honestly see what you are writing there?  That is an untruth and takes a lot of nerve to say that.  How dare you insinuate such a ridiculous thing!  You are trying to suppress believers, pure and simple, and will make remarks like that, as if you have the FC staff wrapped around your finger.  KOHLER - please note how he has used your position as part of his leverage.  Thank you.

[jcribb16]

When someone doesn't quote what they're 'replying' to, it comes across as a passive-aggressiveness pseudo-martyr act.  It doesn't make any sense to 'speak to a thread' since the thread itself isn't an independent entity that can respond and this isn't a 'blog'; it's an FC forum where members can post replies if they choose to do so.  Members do not get to dictate the content of any such replies, nor do they have any form of a 'right' to unopposed, unsubstantiated opininating.

I'm speaking to the thread. All, I did not quote you so I wasn't directly speaking to you.

You know he was speaking of "ALL" as the thread - he clarified the "ALL."  Also - he posted his reply because he chose to do so (like you dictated we can.)  Your last sentence sounds pretty dictative to me - you are trying to control what he writes - not a good idea...

[jcribb16]

Look, I am no fan of religion. But I cannot see anyone wasting their time just trying to bash other people for their beliefs. If thats what you believe and it makes you happy, thats your right. But I think that since this is a forum, people do have a right to their opinion. But I do see your frustration with someone just spam bashing. You could send and email to admin if you want.

Opposing rampant and initial religious proselytization is not "spam bashing".  No one forces those who publically post private religious beliefs to do so however, if they choose to do so, others have the same option to post dissenting viewpoints.  There's no inherent nor constitutional or FC "right" to post superstitious beliefs without opposition.  One can always employ the ignore button, skip posts, or push for one-sided censorship.

In red:  And you could follow your own advice.

[falcon9]

Okay then.  I am offended by your belief in nothing ...

How can no belief be offensive if "nothing" contains no offensive content?  It can't and your flippant remark is irrational.

... because it is teaching the public that it is acceptable to hate and speak hate to other groups ...

No, you're attempting to imput your own emotional reaction onto others.  I don't specifically "hate" xtians or promote such "hatred".  As I've always done, I oppose blind religious faith in any form and so so by challenging such.  Your false characterization is simply a projection of your own frustrations at being unable to substantiate the numerous false religious claims made by religious adherents, including yourself.

I don't hold your "atheistic-type" views because of how they are intended to destroy those people who do believe in God...

No, rational opposition through logical reasoning is intended to refute the irrational non-reasoning of religious superstitions and does.  Logic is not a 'neutron bomb' which is "intended to destroy" blind religious faith since there have always been those unable to question their own inherent irrational 'beliefs' despite rational refutations.
 

...and your views are very dangerous and judgmental to believers who want to discuss their interests like anyone else does with other topics.

How is opposing dissention "very dangerous" to religious believers?  Are you implying that their blind faith cannot withstand such challenges without wrapping themselves even more tightly with blind faith so as to be completely unable to *see* reason?  Wow.  As far as being judgemental goes; I've never claimed otherwise and in fact, have admitted it as a regualr practice since I'm not a sanctimnious religious adherent who judges while trying to admonish others for doing so.

Your views are also trying to hinder others from speaking of their inspirational verses and quotes, which is actually trying to squelch the Constitutional freedom of religion (or no religion,) speech, and expression.

That's utterly false.  I've reiterated several times that those choosing to propagndize religious superstitions have the same option as those who choose to oppose such in response have to do so.  The only attempts at 'squelching' dissenting viewpoints have come from you and a few other religious zealots, not from the opposition.  That's very revealing in and of itself.

DON'T OPEN THE THREAD AND YOU WON'T BE AFFECTED - YOU ARE DELIBERATELY DOING SO IN ORDER TO BLAME BELIEVERS.

That's exactly like telling you religious zealots not to open threads containing dissenting viewpoints.  FC moderators have advised those who don't want to read something to use the 'ignore' button.  Religious zealots do not get to determine which threads other FC members "open", read or reply to.  Though your repetitive attempts to shift "blame" were tedious when you'd first begun such disingenuous tactics, it remains that xtians started the offensive threads promoting superstitious religious beliefs, (which are initially offensive to reason).

If you are so bothered by believers and their threads, then perhaps you should either find a forum ...

Coincidentally, I'd considered 'suggesting' that there are an enormous number of other venues where you religious zealots are 'free' to compete to determine who is the most blinded by empty faith - and many of these are moderated by repressively-censoring fundie zealots who censor any opposing points of view.  Sounds perfect for some of you xtians.
 

People are leery of reporting you because of responses that come out of it, but you have crossed the boundary line, IN MY OPINION, with the "golden rule."

Those submitting false reports, (claiming subjective crap that appears only to the faith-blinded and does not violate FC policies or TOS), would do well to be "leery" of lying to the moderators when the same posts can be read by the moderators.

Then you have the nerve to get mad because someone posts a thread with your name in it (like the prayer one.)  I know we are not to call out people, under certain guidelines.  

The FC guideline policy in that regard is 'no calling-out threads', as specified by the FC moderators, not me.  Those threads you refer to violate that FC policy because they are calling-out another FC member by 'nym/name to flame them.  I trust FC staff to deal with such violations as they see fit.

[jcribb16]

Christians DO NOT call themselves FUNDIES. 

That assertion is false and supporting evidence to show its falsehood has been already been provided however, more is on the way due to your insistant ignorance.

You have been told this before.  You are forcing your names onto believers within your twisted context and loathing of Godly things.

You're an ignorant liar as the following shows;

"The word fundamentalism originally referred to fundamental beliefs that existed solely within Christianity. many evangelical Christian leaders and churchmen who believed in the inerrancy of the Bible came together and formed the American Bible League in 1902. Between 1910 and 1915 these evangelicals published a series of 12 pamphlets called The Fundamentals: A testimony to the truth."
-- http://creationwiki.org/Fundamentalism

Clear evidence therefore exists to contradict your unfounded 'offense' at a xtian term, applied by xtians to some xtians.

ONCE AGAIN:  We do NOT call ourselves "fundies" nor "xtains."  I am specifically using the specific shortcut sarcastic words you use to refer to us. Fundie is not fundamentalist.  Please get that.

[falcon9]

Look, I am no fan of religion. But I cannot see anyone wasting their time just trying to bash other people for their beliefs. If thats what you believe and it makes you happy, thats your right. But I think that since this is a forum, people do have a right to their opinion. But I do see your frustration with someone just spam bashing. You could send and email to admin if you want.

Opposing rampant and initial religious proselytization is not "spam bashing".  No one forces those who publically post private religious beliefs to do so however, if they choose to do so, others have the same option to post dissenting viewpoints.  There's no inherent nor constitutional or FC "right" to post superstitious beliefs without opposition.  One can always employ the ignore button, skip posts, or push for one-sided censorship.

In red:  And you could follow your own advice.

Clearly, I've chosen to oppose specious religious propagandizing because it promotes and enables the faith-blinding of any latent ability to reason.
On the other hand, you've chosen not to use the ignore function because, (as you've posted about), you see yourself as some sort of pseudo-champion of the xtian pseudo-underdogs.  You're not, they're not and any "belief" which cannot be challenged because a 'believer' says so, is already too weak to stand questioning.

[falcon9]

Christians DO NOT call themselves FUNDIES.

That assertion is false and supporting evidence to show its falsehood has been already been provided however, more is on the way due to your insistant ignorance.

You have been told this before.  You are forcing your names onto believers within your twisted context and loathing of Godly things.

You're an ignorant liar as the following shows;

"The word fundamentalism originally referred to fundamental beliefs that existed solely within Christianity. many evangelical Christian leaders and churchmen who believed in the inerrancy of the Bible came together and formed the American Bible League in 1902. Between 1910 and 1915 these evangelicals published a series of 12 pamphlets called The Fundamentals: A testimony to the truth."
-- http://creationwiki.org/Fundamentalism

Clear evidence therefore exists to contradict your unfounded 'offense' at a xtian term, applied by xtians to some xtians.
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ONCE AGAIN:  We do NOT call ourselves "fundies" nor "xtains."

It's 'xtians', not "xtains".  It's just as easy to get what your complaining about right for an "English teacher" as it is to write it 100 times on a blackboard to learn that.  Regardless, both terms were coined by xtians to describe other xtians.

I am specifically using the specific shortcut sarcastic words you use to refer to us. Fundie is not fundamentalist.  Please get that.

It's amusing that you presume to give 'orders' as if I'd obey a religious zealot.  Heh.  Be that as it may, both terms are abbreviations of the same words coined by xtians.  Your point is therefore a non sequitur and logically irrelevant.

[jcribb16]

Okay then.  I am offended by your belief in nothing ...

How can no belief be offensive if "nothing" contains no offensive content?  It can't and your flippant remark is irrational.

... because it is teaching the public that it is acceptable to hate and speak hate to other groups ...

No, you're attempting to imput your own emotional reaction onto others.  I don't specifically "hate" xtians or promote such "hatred".  As I've always done, I oppose blind religious faith in any form and so so by challenging such.  Your false characterization is simply a projection of your own frustrations at being unable to substantiate the numerous false religious claims made by religious adherents, including yourself.

I don't hold your "atheistic-type" views because of how they are intended to destroy those people who do believe in God...

No, rational opposition through logical reasoning is intended to refute the irrational non-reasoning of religious superstitions and does.  Logic is not a 'neutron bomb' which is "intended to destroy" blind religious faith since there have always been those unable to question their own inherent irrational 'beliefs' despite rational refutations.
 

...and your views are very dangerous and judgmental to believers who want to discuss their interests like anyone else does with other topics.

How is opposing dissention "very dangerous" to religious believers?  Are you implying that their blind faith cannot withstand such challenges without wrapping themselves even more tightly with blind faith so as to be completely unable to *see* reason?  Wow.  As far as being judgemental goes; I've never claimed otherwise and in fact, have admitted it as a regualr practice since I'm not a sanctimnious religious adherent who judges while trying to admonish others for doing so.

Your views are also trying to hinder others from speaking of their inspirational verses and quotes, which is actually trying to squelch the Constitutional freedom of religion (or no religion,) speech, and expression.

That's utterly false.  I've reiterated several times that those choosing to propagndize religious superstitions have the same option as those who choose to oppose such in response have to do so.  The only attempts at 'squelching' dissenting viewpoints have come from you and a few other religious zealots, not from the opposition.  That's very revealing in and of itself.

DON'T OPEN THE THREAD AND YOU WON'T BE AFFECTED - YOU ARE DELIBERATELY DOING SO IN ORDER TO BLAME BELIEVERS.

That's exactly like telling you religious zealots not to open threads containing dissenting viewpoints.  FC moderators have advised those who don't want to read something to use the 'ignore' button.  Religious zealots do not get to determine which threads other FC members "open", read or reply to.  Though your repetitive attempts to shift "blame" were tedious when you'd first begun such disingenuous tactics, it remains that xtians started the offensive threads promoting superstitious religious beliefs, (which are initially offensive to reason).

If you are so bothered by believers and their threads, then perhaps you should either find a forum ...

Coincidentally, I'd considered 'suggesting' that there are an enormous number of other venues where you religious zealots are 'free' to compete to determine who is the most blinded by empty faith - and many of these are moderated by repressively-censoring fundie zealots who censor any opposing points of view.  Sounds perfect for some of you xtians.
 

People are leery of reporting you because of responses that come out of it, but you have crossed the boundary line, IN MY OPINION, with the "golden rule."

Those submitting false reports, (claiming subjective crap that appears only to the faith-blinded and does not violate FC policies or TOS), would do well to be "leery" of lying to the moderators when the same posts can be read by the moderators.

Then you have the nerve to get mad because someone posts a thread with your name in it (like the prayer one.)  I know we are not to call out people, under certain guidelines.  

The FC guideline policy in that regard is 'no calling-out threads', as specified by the FC moderators, not me.  Those threads you refer to violate that FC policy because they are calling-out another FC member by 'nym/name to flame them.  I trust FC staff to deal with such violations as they see fit.

The Moderators' advice of the Ignore Button includes you, too.  Believers aren't just going to leave because you think that's a great idea.  You are the one who is having such a major issue with religious threads (THAT ARE ALLOWED) - you refuse to see this and since it's such a major issue with you, perhaps something out there would fit you better and mold to your views more, and that way you would be all cozy and content without believers around you, who have the freedom to post what they like as well as others posting what they like.  

Many of those reports are legit, sir.  You think too highly of yourself and should go back and read a lot of your verbal abuse towards believers.  

[jcribb16]

Look, I am no fan of religion. But I cannot see anyone wasting their time just trying to bash other people for their beliefs. If thats what you believe and it makes you happy, thats your right. But I think that since this is a forum, people do have a right to their opinion. But I do see your frustration with someone just spam bashing. You could send and email to admin if you want.

Opposing rampant and initial religious proselytization is not "spam bashing".  No one forces those who publically post private religious beliefs to do so however, if they choose to do so, others have the same option to post dissenting viewpoints.  There's no inherent nor constitutional or FC "right" to post superstitious beliefs without opposition.  One can always employ the ignore button, skip posts, or push for one-sided censorship.

In red:  And you could follow your own advice.

Clearly, I've chosen to oppose specious religious propagandizing because it promotes and enables the faith-blinding of any latent ability to reason.
On the other hand, you've chosen not to use the ignore function because, (as you've posted about), you see yourself as some sort of pseudo-champion of the xtian pseudo-underdogs.  You're not, they're not and any "belief" which cannot be challenged because a 'believer' says so, is already too weak to stand questioning.

No, I am opposing your verbal abuse to believers, including me.  You don't choose the Ignore Button because you thoroughly enjoy what you are doing. 

[falcon9]

Okay then.  I am offended by your belief in nothing ...

How can no belief be offensive if "nothing" contains no offensive content?  It can't and your flippant remark is irrational.

... because it is teaching the public that it is acceptable to hate and speak hate to other groups ...

No, you're attempting to impute your own emotional reaction onto others.  I don't specifically "hate" xtians or promote such "hatred".  As I've always done, I oppose blind religious faith in any form and so so by challenging such.  Your false characterization is simply a projection of your own frustrations at being unable to substantiate the numerous false religious claims made by religious adherents, including yourself.

I don't hold your "atheistic-type" views because of how they are intended to destroy those people who do believe in God...

No, rational opposition through logical reasoning is intended to refute the irrational non-reasoning of religious superstitions and does.  Logic is not a 'neutron bomb' which is "intended to destroy" blind religious faith since there have always been those unable to question their own inherent irrational 'beliefs' despite rational refutations.

...and your views are very dangerous and judgmental to believers who want to discuss their interests like anyone else does with other topics.

How is opposing dissention "very dangerous" to religious believers?  Are you implying that their blind faith cannot withstand such challenges without wrapping themselves even more tightly with blind faith so as to be completely unable to *see* reason?  Wow.  As far as being judgemental goes; I've never claimed otherwise and in fact, have admitted it as a regualr practice since I'm not a sanctimnious religious adherent who judges while trying to admonish others for doing so.

Your views are also trying to hinder others from speaking of their inspirational verses and quotes, which is actually trying to squelch the Constitutional freedom of religion (or no religion,) speech, and expression.

That's utterly false.  I've reiterated several times that those choosing to propagandize religious superstitions have the same option as those who choose to oppose such in response have to do so.  The only attempts at 'squelching' dissenting viewpoints have come from you and a few other religious zealots, not from the opposition.  That's very revealing in and of itself.

{none of the rebuttals of your specious nonsense was addressed in your putative 'reply' and while that's your choice, it reveals much you may believe is hidden by the omissions}

[falcon9]

No, I am opposing your verbal abuse ...

This is a text-based medium and forum.  There's no verbal communication or false accusations of "abuse" in these textual posts.  Your personal 'interpretations' don't constitute objective evidence to support your false accusations.

[jcribb16]

Christians DO NOT call themselves FUNDIES.

That assertion is false and supporting evidence to show its falsehood has been already been provided however, more is on the way due to your insistant ignorance.

You have been told this before.  You are forcing your names onto believers within your twisted context and loathing of Godly things.

You're an ignorant liar as the following shows;

"The word fundamentalism originally referred to fundamental beliefs that existed solely within Christianity. many evangelical Christian leaders and churchmen who believed in the inerrancy of the Bible came together and formed the American Bible League in 1902. Between 1910 and 1915 these evangelicals published a series of 12 pamphlets called The Fundamentals: A testimony to the truth."
-- http://creationwiki.org/Fundamentalism

Clear evidence therefore exists to contradict your unfounded 'offense' at a xtian term, applied by xtians to some xtians.

ONCE AGAIN:  We do NOT call ourselves "fundies" nor "xtains."

It's 'xtians', not "xtains".  It's just as easy to get what your complaining about right for an "English teacher" as it is to write it 100 times on a blackboard to learn that.  Regardless, both terms were coined by xtians to describe other xtians.

I am specifically using the specific shortcut sarcastic words you use to refer to us. Fundie is not fundamentalist.  Please get that.

It's amusing that you presume to give 'orders' as if I'd obey a religious zealot.  Heh.  Be that as it may, both terms are abbreviations of the same words coined by xtians.  Your point is therefore a non sequitur and logically irrelevant.
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So you admit you are using them to provoke.  You are ridiculous.  And remember back several threads, I told you that everyone makes mistakes with spelling.  I corrected you that night because of how you felt you had to correct someone, when you also made a mistake.  Pot calling kettle scenario.  I pointed it out to you, but said I don't normally say things to people about their spelling because some people have disabilities, may not have learned English yet, and other reasons.  So it's interesting that you felt you had to point out my mistake.  I made the mistake of not proof-reading my responses, because it's late, I've got several things going at once, and I, frankly, was more concerned in responding to your words than I was in proof-reading for mistakes.  But knock yourself out with looking for my mistakes.  If you want to play that game, let's go for it.

  Since you mentioned you had dyslexia (or something else and I apologize if this is wrong) I have basically ignored your spelling mistakes, daily, because I don't like making fun of things like that - it's cruel.  But if you want to dwell on mine, let's go for it - your choice, sir.

[jcribb16]

No, I am opposing your verbal abuse ...

This is a text-based medium and forum.  There's no verbal communication or false accusations of "abuse" in these textual posts.  Your personal 'interpretations' don't constitute objective evidence to support your false accusations.

Well, thank you for your opinion on the matter, and we can just agree to disagree.  Don't tell me what my interpretation means when I know exactly how I meant it based on your responses to believers (ONLY BELIEVERS.)

[falcon9]

Christians DO NOT call themselves FUNDIES.

That assertion is false and supporting evidence to show its falsehood has been already been provided however, more is on the way due to your insistant ignorance.

You have been told this before.  You are forcing your names onto believers within your twisted context and loathing of Godly things.

You're an ignorant liar as the following shows;

"The word fundamentalism originally referred to fundamental beliefs that existed solely within Christianity. many evangelical Christian leaders and churchmen who believed in the inerrancy of the Bible came together and formed the American Bible League in 1902. Between 1910 and 1915 these evangelicals published a series of 12 pamphlets called The Fundamentals: A testimony to the truth."
-- http://creationwiki.org/Fundamentalism

Clear evidence therefore exists to contradict your unfounded 'offense' at a xtian term, applied by xtians to some xtians.

ONCE AGAIN:  We do NOT call ourselves "fundies" nor "xtains."

It's 'xtians', not "xtains".  It's just as easy to get what your complaining about right for an "English teacher" as it is to write it 100 times on a blackboard to learn that.  Regardless, both terms were coined by xtians to describe other xtians.

I am specifically using the specific shortcut sarcastic words you use to refer to us. Fundie is not fundamentalist.  Please get that.

It's amusing that you presume to give 'orders' as if I'd obey a religious zealot.  Heh.  Be that as it may, both terms are abbreviations of the same words coined by xtians.  Your point is therefore a non sequitur and logically irrelevant.

So you admit you are using them to provoke.

There is no such admission in my replies because your assertion is false, (a lie). 

You are ridiculous.

And you've posted yet another lie, in your own words, which is not some 'twist' or reinterpretation of those words while still choosing do dodge rebuttals of your recent contentions regarding the origins of "fundie/fundamentalist" and "xtian".  By now, anyone else would have learned that such diversions don't work on me; perhaps such remedial reiterations are required unless you never will 'get it'.

[masked_brown_guy]

I do not have much of a problem with it. The way I look at it is that those who do it maybe writing in the only way they know how to communicate. The modern english language is vastly different to those who only know the bible. Obviously it is can go the other way too.