does god send you...

[skrogman]

My greater consciousness was awakened long ago when I was sixteen and dipped into the Baptismal waters following the lead and the command of my Savior, thank you, and thank Him.

[falcon9]

My greater consciousness was awakened long ago when I was sixteen and dipped into the Baptismal waters following the lead and the command of my Savior, thank you, and thank Him.

No, that process drowns conscious awareness and is not an awakening but, a willful walking sleep in which the higher cognitive functions of reason are abdicated in favor of blind faith.

[skrogman]

No, I don't think so.  The only thing that was drowned was my old, sinful life to arise out of those waters with a higher cognitive function due to the ability to know exactly where to turn to seek right decisions with undeniable faith and true knowledge proven time and time again by those who have gone on to sit in His Kingdom and await my arrival. 

[falcon9]

No, I don't think so.  The only thing that was drowned was my old, sinful life to arise out of those waters with a higher cognitive function due to the ability to know exactly where to turn to seek right decisions with undeniable faith and true knowledge proven time and time again by those who have gone on to sit in His Kingdom and await my arrival. 

That's what happens with blind faith; the holder loses the ability to distinguish between actual awareness and self-delusions brought about by clinging unreasonably to religious superstition.

[skrogman]

Again, I believe your wording is slightly off.  It is not "religion" or "religious superstition" that is able to be clung onto at all.  But "relationship".  And that Heavenly relationship with the Savior is, as stated before, very personal, very real, and very true.   If and when a conversion experience happens, and I pray for you it will, it is extremely undeniable and extremely self-evident.

[falcon9]

Again, I believe your wording is slightly off.  It is not "religion" or "religious superstition" that is able to be clung onto at all.  But "relationship".  And that Heavenly relationship with the Savior is, as stated before, very personal, very real, and very true.  

When someone tells others that their own self-delusional belief consists of a "relationship" with an invisible supernatural egregore which has no evidence of existence, that person is self-delusional.

“Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.”
-– Ambrose Bierce

[gbrown1]

yes god can talk to you in a dream

[falcon9]

yes god can talk to you in a dream

This claim is challenged; is there substantive evidence to support such a claim or, does it rely upon nothing substantial, (e.g., "faith")?

“Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”
--– Richard Dawkins

[skrogman]

We have already proven that the visual proof is in and through each of us who carry Him with us in our every word and deed.   And I would truly much rather hang on to the Word which you believe deludes me than the lack of anything at all to hold onto which causes you to do nothing other than troll around jealous of what the true Christians have and you are lacking.  Mine will surely lead to much less tears and gnashing of teeth later.

[falcon9]

We have already proven that the visual proof is in and through each of us who carry Him with us in our every word and deed.

What "visual proof"?  No such thing has been "proven", (substantive evidence provided to support the claim).  The remainder of your religious claim is a non-rational attribution to supernatural causes sans evidence other than the claim itself.

And I would truly much rather hang on to the Word which you believe deludes me than the lack of anything at all to hold onto which causes you to do nothing other than troll around jealous of what the true Christians have and you are lacking.  

There you go with another false attribution; I'm not "jealous" or envious of the mind-blinded blind faith that xtian fundies have because I enjoy the lack of such restrictions upon reason and critical thought which bind xtian fundies.


"Faith is the fatigue resulting from the attempt to preserve God's integrity instead of one's own."
-- Matt Berry

[Falconer02]

We have already proven that the visual proof is in and through each of us who carry Him with us in our every word and deed.   And I would truly much rather hang on to the Word which you believe deludes me than the lack of anything at all to hold onto which causes you to do nothing other than troll around jealous of what the true Christians have and you are lacking.  Mine will surely lead to much less tears and gnashing of teeth later.

Your post is nothing more than the definition of arrogance and bigotry as you claim something you know you cannot produce, and then you attempt to play the moral highground card. If you disagree, please provide the visual proof as well as how freethinkers are jealous of your slave-like beliefs. If you fail to surpass basic skepticism that even a child could point out the problems to, you will fail to counter my claims of your stance.

[jcribb16]

Thank you jcribb16 for expressing what a lot of us feel. Sometimes it is a lot eaiser to ignore the unbelivers then argue with them. God Bless.

Thank you for that. 

[jcribb16]

Thank you jcribb16 for expressing what a lot of us feel. Sometimes it is a lot eaiser to ignore the unbelivers then argue with them. God Bless.

Either way, your specious superstitious religious beliefs remain unsubstantiated nonsense which you are free to have faith in, just as others are free to refute them when 'publically' posted.

And your atheist stance does not apply to us Christians, and trying to mock our beliefs, as you do, is insulting, biased, slanted, intolerant, prejudiced (one of your words), and as you said of our beliefs, yours are rejected outright, as well. 

[jcribb16]

Yep, you should definitely recognize sewage. 

It isn't that difficult; you xtians are constantly posting unsupported religious proselytiations.  

And on that note, I'm going to go do 20 web searches.  You have a nice day.

Doing searches just to get the search bonus is as disingenuous as specious religious faith, albeit to a lesser degree of fraud.

How do you know what he's using the search for?  The search mode is there for us to use and to earn from.  There are many "viable" reasons for using the search.  Sounds like you are getting a little too sensitive...

[jcribb16]

No, I don't think so.  The only thing that was drowned was my old, sinful life to arise out of those waters with a higher cognitive function due to the ability to know exactly where to turn to seek right decisions with undeniable faith and true knowledge proven time and time again by those who have gone on to sit in His Kingdom and await my arrival. 

Well said!