Petition to remove jerks from the forum

[Administrator]

i think if a person is truly out of line there could be a monitor to report to. one warning, 2nd time 30 day suspension, 3rd offfense banned from forum.

If a post is in violation of the rules (or common decency) you can report it using the "Flag this post for review" link on the bottom right of every post.

[falcon9]

i think if a person is truly out of line there could be a monitor to report to. one warning, 2nd time 30 day suspension, 3rd offfense banned from forum.

If a post is in violation of the rules (or common decency) you can report it using the "Flag this post for review" link on the bottom right of every post.

That would be "common decency" as determined by FC staff, not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreteted by the religious ones).

[jcribb16]

What ever happened to RESPECT?! Everyone has a right to express their own opinion and yes we can ignore it. Sometimes thats what you have do. If we would think before we speak and post alot of this would not be an issue. But most importantly if we would think respect first, things would not get out of hand. Just my opinion!

I totally agree with you and that is one thing I speak of in here.  The one issue with the Ignore Button, is that when the same poster/s keep up with the mean remarks and the intolerance of someone's beliefs, is that it is not fun like it used to be in here, with even just posting quotes of inspiration and/or Bible verses with others.  Many atheists used to debate with the Christians or believers in the debate threads, but they never bothered those who enjoyed sharing inspiration.  Now, even those threads, in the Off-topic are not fun.

[jcribb16]

No, harassment by definition is interpretive.  Feel free to post all the uplifting Bible verses you want.  The forum is not exclusive and it is perfectly welcomed to find that which starts a day out well such as a thought-provoking passage or sharing of a new offer finding or whatever ya feel like sharing.   

[falcon9]

... it is not fun like it used to be in here, with even just posting quotes of inspiration and/or Bible verses with others.  

Translation: 'no tacit free pass for unopposed xtian proselytization means propagandizing isn't as fun as it used to be for the mind-blinded'.

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave."
-- William Drummond

[TOMAS7]

Even with the flag and report button, unless something is highly offensive, often it will be allowed to remain as protected by the 1st amendment if the US Constitution. Which keeps the door wide open for interpretation and creates a difficult review and editing job for our Admin. It begs to ask, why can't we all just get along? Courtesy and respect should not be such difficult filters to self impose. And thankfully if they are not the choice of the ignore button is a wonderful option. Thanks again Admin for all the information.

[jcribb16]

A view and a question for Admin.:

"Observe the golden rule
Treat others as you would like to be treated"

This is a confusing rule, at best, for some threads in here.  If a few posters are sharing inspiration and/or Bible verses with each other for uplifting times, and a certain one or two come in, deliberately making rude comments, posting rude quotes, and accusing the posters of some exclusive Christian pros. club, when it is not, why is this not breaking the "golden rule?"  This includes name calling as well.  It's very obvious, that the certain one or two refuse to be tolerant of a thread, just because they don't believe it, and come/s in with the deliberate intent of stirring up animosity.  No one is trying to force religion down anyone's throat just because they share quotes and verses in an off-topic thread to those who enjoy doing that with each other.  It's been a joy for many in the near past.

Does this mean the certain one or two wish to be treated rudely back?  That is wrong, too - it's not observing the golden rule, period.  Debate threads are one thing, especially noted "Enter at your own risk," but an off-topic getting derailed constantly is not helping promote the idea behind the golden rule.  Some posters are leery to push the "Report abuse" button for fear of being the one to actually get in trouble, instead of the one/s being reported.  And the certain one or two know this, and will remind any poster of this, and will just get worse with their own attitude towards ones wanting to share their quotes and verses.

Honestly, it did not used to be that way.  If posters started getting rude and ruder to others, they were spoken to, and backed off some - on both sides of the issues.  Instead, it seems the dominant and strong viewed and bold certain one or two, are "ruling" in those threads, and know they can keep doing it with no fear of any kind of being reminded of the golden rule.  I have had friends leave FC because of this, and others have backed off from doing what they enjoyed doing, because of this.  And now, there are even a couple of believers jumping on believers for standing up for what they believe to the certain one or two posters.  It just seems a happy medium could be reached with regards to the golden rule in here.  Thank you.  

[jcribb16]

i think if a person is truly out of line there could be a monitor to report to. one warning, 2nd time 30 day suspension, 3rd offfense banned from forum.

If a post is in violation of the rules (or common decency) you can report it using the "Flag this post for review" link on the bottom right of every post.

That would be "common decency" as determined by FC staff, not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreteted by the religious ones).

To Kohler:  Right here is an example of taking what you said, and then adding what his (falcon9's) interpretation of what he means it to be - directing the meaning of that to "not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreted by the religious ones."  That is a bias interpretation - what you said would apply to everyone in this forum, not by what some particular only groups would think, including him.

[jcribb16]

... it is not fun like it used to be in here, with even just posting quotes of inspiration and/or Bible verses with others.  

Translation: 'no tacit free pass for unopposed xtian proselytization means propagandizing isn't as fun as it used to be for the mind-blinded'.

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave."
-- William Drummond

Admin - this is another example of bias towards believers only.  I gave my thoughts about it not being as fun anymore - he gives his, which is fine, but then adds the "propagandizing" and the "mind-blinded," the "bigot," etc. to it.  Believers are sharing something just like anyone can share about most anything in here.  Instead, he is only scolding the believers for what they are (not) doing, and lying about what we are and what we represent.  I don't have any issue with him not believing what I or others believe - it's our choices all the way.  But he is exhibiting intolerance of believers even sharing quotes and verses with each other.

[falcon9]

If a post is in violation of the rules (or common decency) you can report it using the "Flag this post for review" link on the bottom right of every post.

That would be "common decency" as determined by FC staff, not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreteted by the religious ones).

To Kohler:  Right here is an example of taking what you said, and then adding what his (falcon9's) interpretation of what he means it to be - directing the meaning of that to "not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreted by the religious ones."  That is a bias interpretation - what you said would apply to everyone in this forum, not by what some particular only groups would think, including him.

The remark was not 'interpreted' and instead, emphasized that "common decency" is determined by FC staff, (not specifically according to any religious bias).  For instance, it is the FC staff which determines whether incessant religious proselytizating posts violate common decency and not the inherently-biased opinions of the religious adherents posting them, (not even non-religious opinions which find such to be offensive).

[jcribb16]

If a post is in violation of the rules (or common decency) you can report it using the "Flag this post for review" link on the bottom right of every post.

That would be "common decency" as determined by FC staff, not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreteted by the religious ones).

To Kohler:  Right here is an example of taking what you said, and then adding what his (falcon9's) interpretation of what he means it to be - directing the meaning of that to "not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreted by the religious ones."  That is a bias interpretation - what you said would apply to everyone in this forum, not by what some particular only groups would think, including him.

The remark was not 'interpreted' and instead, emphasized that "common decency" is determined by FC staff, (not specifically according to any religious bias).  For instance, it is the FC staff which determines whether incessant religious proselytizating posts violate common decency and not the inherently-biased opinions of the religious adherents posting them, (not even non-religious opinions which find such to be offensive).

There was no need for you to post that in the first place, falcon9.  Kohler posted what he meant and you had to add your own thing just to make sure "believers" got the message.  That is the point of why I said what I did to him.  That was your biased part.

[falcon9]

No one is trying to force religion down anyone's throat  

False.  Although the "ignore" function remains available both to those making specious complaints against not having an unopposed venue for teh proselytization of their religious beliefs but, also to those whose dissenting viewpoints the intolerant religious militants would suppress.

[falcon9]

There was no need for you to post that in the first place, falcon9.  Kohler posted what he meant and you had to add your own thing just to make sure "believers" got the message.  

There was no need for you to post your biased views either and yet, you did.

That is the point of why I said what I did to him.  That was the biased part.

Yes, doubtless that's clear to Admin and Kohler, prior to your attempts to 'poison the well'.

[jcribb16]

There was no need for you to post that in the first place, falcon9.  Kohler posted what he meant and you had to add your own thing just to make sure "believers" got the message.  

There was no need for you to post your biased views either and yet, you did.

That is the point of why I said what I did to him.  That was your biased part.

Yes, doubtless that's clear to Admin and Kohler, prior to your attempts to 'poison the well'.

I changed it to "your" biased part, since you know what I meant, but chose to twist the meaning around against me.  I am not speaking about this with you anymore.  I've asked Kohler about it, and will wait for his answer, since he is the main and only one who is over the forum.

[Administrator]

This thread has run its course (and then some), so I'm going to lock it.

A view and a question for Admin.:

"Observe the golden rule
Treat others as you would like to be treated"

This is a confusing rule, at best, for some threads in here.  If a few posters are sharing inspiration and/or Bible verses with each other for uplifting times, and a certain one or two come in, deliberately making rude comments, posting rude quotes, and accusing the posters of some exclusive Christian pros. club, when it is not, why is this not breaking the "golden rule?"  This includes name calling as well.  It's very obvious, that the certain one or two refuse to be tolerant of a thread, just because they don't believe it, and come/s in with the deliberate intent of stirring up animosity.  No one is trying to force religion down anyone's throat just because they share quotes and verses in an off-topic thread to those who enjoy doing that with each other.  It's been a joy for many in the near past.

Does this mean the certain one or two wish to be treated rudely back?  That is wrong, too - it's not observing the golden rule, period.  Debate threads are one thing, especially noted "Enter at your own risk," but an off-topic getting derailed constantly is not helping promote the idea behind the golden rule.  Some posters are leery to push the "Report abuse" button for fear of being the one to actually get in trouble, instead of the one/s being reported.  And the certain one or two know this, and will remind any poster of this, and will just get worse with their own attitude towards ones wanting to share their quotes and verses.

Honestly, it did not used to be that way.  If posters started getting rude and ruder to others, they were spoken to, and backed off some - on both sides of the issues.  Instead, it seems the dominant and strong viewed and bold certain one or two, are "ruling" in those threads, and know they can keep doing it with no fear of any kind of being reminded of the golden rule.  I have had friends leave FC because of this, and others have backed off from doing what they enjoyed doing, because of this.  And now, there are even a couple of believers jumping on believers for standing up for what they believe to the certain one or two posters.  It just seems a happy medium could be reached with regards to the golden rule in here.  Thank you.   

The golden rule really just something to which we might aspire.  As imperfect humans, we all fall short of that goal from time to time.  Since the rule is highly subjective, it's also rarely (if ever) enforced or cited as a reason for banning. 

I will not ban somebody because they have and express strong beliefs.  I can't prevent an FC member from posting in a particular thread.  But I can tell you this much: it's not happening in a vacuum. Responding, engaging, and call-out threads (even if not addressed explicitly by name) all just feed into this conflict machine.  I can only repeat my earlier advice: control your own forum experience and use the 'ignore' button.  If your complaints truly center around "certain one or two posters" then it's only a few seconds of effort to be rid of their "contributions" forever.  If you think someone is trolling you, feeding them attention is only going to make it worse.