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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2012, 06:54:01 pm »
Please remember you cannot box ALL "Christians" in the same box.  Not all believe the very same way about things.  It seems when there are "bad" things that happen, as a result of someone's "beliefs" that ALL Christians are blamed as a whole, and that is very unfair.

I agree with the first sentence mostly, but at the same time when many of the people of this religion constantly make headlines with their goofiness, I do not understand why people would still be attracted to something like that considering the majority of these people that get media coverage are quoting the bible.

With the caveat that all people are not precisely alike, (even within a religious belief system), there remains the underlying constant that the same general xtian religious belief system was shared by the crusaders, the inquisitors and the variations of xtian sects today.
The crusades have provided some of the most frequent arguments against the Christian faith. Some Islamic terrorists even claim that their terrorist attacks are revenge for what Christians did in the crusades. So, what were the crusades and why are they viewed as such a big problem for the Christian faith?

First of all, the crusades should not be referred to as the “Christian crusades.” Most of the people involved in the crusades were not truly Christians, even though they claimed to be. The name of Christ was abused, misused, and blasphemed by the actions of many of the crusaders.


Second, the crusades took place from approximately A.D. 1095 to 1230. Should the unbiblical actions of supposed Christians hundreds of years ago still be held against Christians today?

Third, not that this is an adequate excuse, but Christianity is not the only religion with a violent past. In actuality, the crusades were responses to Muslim invasions on what was once land occupied primarily by Christians. From approximately A.D. 200 to 900, the land of Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Turkey was inhabited primarily by Christians. Once Islam became powerful, Muslims invaded these lands and brutally oppressed, enslaved, deported, and even murdered the Christians living in those lands. In response, the Roman Catholic Church and “Christian” kings/emperors from Europe ordered the crusades to reclaim the land the Muslims had taken. The actions that many so-called Christians took in the crusades were still deplorable. There is no biblical justification for conquering lands, murdering civilians, and destroying cities in the name of Jesus Christ. At the same time, Islam is not a religion that can speak from a position of innocence in these matters.

To summarize briefly, the crusades were attempts in the 11th through 13th centuries A.D. to reclaim land in the Middle East that had been conquered by Muslims. The crusades were brutal and evil. Many people were forced to “convert” to Christianity. If they refused, they were put to death. The idea of conquering a land through war and violence in the name of Christ is completely unbiblical. Many of the actions that took place in the crusades were completely antithetical to everything the Christian faith stands for.

1) Do you want to be held accountable for the actions of people who lived 900+ years ago?
2) Do you want to be held accountable for the actions of everyone who claims to represent your faith?
Trying to blame all of Christianity for the crusades is analogous to blaming all Muslims for Islamic terrorism.

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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2012, 07:06:16 pm »
{actually, parroted from a biased xtian apologetic site: "GotQuestions.org"}:
"The crusades have provided some of the most frequent arguments against the Christian faith. Some Islamic terrorists even claim that their terrorist attacks are revenge for what Christians did in the crusades."

That's because the xtian crusaders slaughtered muslims simply because their variation of the same essential superstitious religious belief, ("islam"), wasn't the exact same self-delusional religious belief system.
 
{actually, parroted from a biased xtian apologetic site: "GotQuestions.org"}:
"First of all, the crusades should not be referred to as the “Christian crusades.” Most of the people involved in the crusades were not truly Christians, even though they claimed to be. The name of Christ was abused, misused, and blasphemed by the actions of many of the crusaders."

That "they weren't really xtians" argument is disingenuous since they self-identified as xtians, in the exact same way other xtians do in a desparate attempt to disassociate themselves from other xtians who committed heinous attrocities.  Such hypocrisy stems from the inherent self-deceptions of the xtian belief system itself.

{actually, parroted from a biased xtian apologetic site: "GotQuestions.org"}:
The actions that many so-called Christians took in the crusades were still deplorable. There is no biblical justification for conquering lands, murdering civilians, and destroying cities in the name of Jesus Christ. 

It will be left to others to find the 'biblical' "justifications which contradict such claims.

{actually, parroted from a biased xtian apologetic site: "GotQuestions.org"}:
Trying to blame all of Christianity for the crusades is analogous to blaming all Muslims for Islamic terrorism.
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Yes, it is and yes, they are since the same islamic belief system underlies the motivations of muslim terrorists and muslim non-terrorists who implicitly, (not necessarily overtly), religiously support other muslims' fanatical religious beliefs.
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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2012, 07:11:46 pm »
 The Inquisitions were judicial institutions or tribunals that were established by the Roman Catholic Church in order to seek out, try, and sentence people that the Roman Catholic Church believed to be guilty of heresy. The purpose of the inquisitions was to secure and maintain religious and doctrinal unity in the Roman Catholic Church and throughout the Holy Roman Empire, through either the conversion or persecution of alleged heretics. Historians generally distinguish the Inquisitions based on four different time frames and areas that they took place in. These are the Medieval or Episcopal Inquisition, the Spanish Inquisition, the Portuguese Inquisition, and the Roman Inquisition.

Prior to the founding of the Roman Catholic Church and the establishment of their version of Christianity as the official state religion of the Roman Empire in the 4th century, the punishment for heresy among Christians was usually excommunication from the church. However, with the marriage of church and state that arose in the 4th century, people that the Roman Catholic Church considered to be heretics also came to be considered as enemies of the state and were subject to many forms of extreme punishment, including death. It wasn’t until the 12th century that official Inquisitions were organized and sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church to officially deal with what they saw as a rise in organized heretical groups within the Holy Roman Empire.

The first of the Inquisitions is known as the Medieval or Episcopal Inquisition and refers to the various tribunals that started around 1184. It includes the Episcopal Inquisition (1184-1230) and the Papal Inquisition (1230), which arose in response to large popular movements in Europe that were considered to be heretical by the Roman Catholic Church. It was during this time (1231) that Pope Gregory IX shifted the power to punish heretics away from the local bishops and put the inquisitors under the special jurisdiction and authority of the papacy. He also established severe penalties for those found guilty of committing heresy, and his decree set forth new guidelines for investigating and punishing heresy in the Holy Roman Empire. Generally, when an Inquisition was set up to investigate heresy in a particular area of the Holy Roman Empire, the Pope would appoint two inquisitors, each of which had equal authority in the Inquisition or tribunal. Because these inquisitors had the power to investigate and excommunicate even princes, they wielded enormous power and influence in the Holy Roman Empire.

While some of the inquisitors had reputations as being men of justice and mercy, others were known to subject people to cruel and unusual punishment, including many different kinds of torture, which is what the Inquisitions are generally remembered for.
Because they could imprison suspects that they thought were lying, some inquisitors used torture as an attempt to get them to admit what the inquisitor wanted to hear. In 1252 Pope Innocent IV officially sanctioned torture as a way of extracting the “truth” from suspects. Prior to that time, this type of extreme punishment was foreign to church tradition and practice. During the Spanish Inquisition alone, as many as 2,000 people were burned at the stake within one decade after the Inquisition began.

The next major Inquisition period is known as the Spanish Inquisition. It was set up by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain in 1478 with the approval of Pope Sixtus IV. Unlike the previous Inquisition, it was completely under royal authority and was staffed by secular clergy. It mainly focused on Jews who had professed to be converts to Roman Catholicism but who were suspected of having continued to practice Judaism. Later on, with the spread of Protestantism into Spain, the Inquisition would also begin to persecute Protestants who broke away from the Roman Catholic Church. However, after the decline in religious disputes in the 17th century, the Spanish Inquisition essentially became more like a secret police that would investigate and retaliate against internal threats to the Spanish authorities. The Spanish Inquisition is probably the most infamous for its torture and the number of people executed as a result of it. One historian estimated that over the course of its history the Spanish Inquisition tried a total of 341,021 people, of whom at least 10 percent (31,912) were executed.

Another important period is known as the Portuguese Inquisition and was established in Portugal in 1536 by the king of Portugal, João III, and operated much like the more famous Spanish Inquisition. Later, in 1560, in India and other parts of the Portuguese Empire in Asia, the Goa Inquisition was set up in the Indian city of Goa to deal with converts from Hinduism who were suspected of continuing to practice or hold to some Hindu beliefs.

The last period is known as the Roman Inquisition, and it was established in 1542 when Pope Paul III established the Holy Office as the final court of appeals in all trials of heresy. This group was made up of cardinals and other officials whose task was to maintain and defend the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. This group played an important role in the Counter-Reformation, and it was also this body that condemned Galileo for “grave suspicion of heresy” and banned all of his works in 1633 for teaching that the sun was the center of the universe and that the earth revolved around it. In 1965, Pope Paul VI reorganized the Holy Office and renamed it as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and it remains in effect today.

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For many who really don't understand the history of the Crusades and the Inquisitions, I hope this helps to know exactly what Falcon9 is referring to with these, and the fact that he, for one, continues to hold these against Christians of today.  Most Christians of today do not and will not approve of these.  However, there are a few, here and there, such as Westboro and the White Supremacists, who ruin the Christians' reputation, for their behavior that is totally unacceptable to Christians who genuinely love the Lord, and wish no ill will on anyone.


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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2012, 07:23:33 pm »
"The Inquisitions were judicial institutions or tribunals that were established by the Roman Catholic Church in order to seek out, try, and sentence people that the Roman Catholic Church believed to be guilty of heresy. The purpose of the inquisitions was to secure and maintain religious and doctrinal unity in the Roman Catholic Church and throughout the Holy Roman Empire, through either the conversion or persecution of alleged heretics. Historians generally distinguish the Inquisitions based on four different time frames and areas that they took place in. These are the Medieval or Episcopal Inquisition, the Spanish Inquisition, the Portuguese Inquisition, and the Roman Inquisition.

Prior to the founding of the Roman Catholic Church and the establishment of their version of Christianity as the official state religion of the Roman Empire in the 4th century, the punishment for heresy among Christians was usually excommunication from the church. However, with the marriage of church and state that arose in the 4th century, people that the Roman Catholic Church considered to be heretics also came to be considered as enemies of the state and were subject to many forms of extreme punishment, including death. It wasn’t until the 12th century that official Inquisitions were organized and sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church to officially deal with what they saw as a rise in organized heretical groups within the Holy Roman Empire.

The first of the Inquisitions is known as the Medieval or Episcopal Inquisition and refers to the various tribunals that started around 1184. It includes the Episcopal Inquisition (1184-1230) and the Papal Inquisition (1230), which arose in response to large popular movements in Europe that were considered to be heretical by the Roman Catholic Church. It was during this time (1231) that Pope Gregory IX shifted the power to punish heretics away from the local bishops and put the inquisitors under the special jurisdiction and authority of the papacy. He also established severe penalties for those found guilty of committing heresy, and his decree set forth new guidelines for investigating and punishing heresy in the Holy Roman Empire. Generally, when an Inquisition was set up to investigate heresy in a particular area of the Holy Roman Empire, the Pope would appoint two inquisitors, each of which had equal authority in the Inquisition or tribunal. Because these inquisitors had the power to investigate and excommunicate even princes, they wielded enormous power and influence in the Holy Roman Empire.

While some of the inquisitors had reputations as being men of justice and mercy, others were known to subject people to cruel and unusual punishment, including many different kinds of torture, which is what the Inquisitions are generally remembered for.
Because they could imprison suspects that they thought were lying, some inquisitors used torture as an attempt to get them to admit what the inquisitor wanted to hear. In 1252 Pope Innocent IV officially sanctioned torture as a way of extracting the “truth” from suspects. Prior to that time, this type of extreme punishment was foreign to church tradition and practice. During the Spanish Inquisition alone, as many as 2,000 people were burned at the stake within one decade after the Inquisition began.

The next major Inquisition period is known as the Spanish Inquisition. It was set up by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain in 1478 with the approval of Pope Sixtus IV. Unlike the previous Inquisition, it was completely under royal authority and was staffed by secular clergy. It mainly focused on Jews who had professed to be converts to Roman Catholicism but who were suspected of having continued to practice Judaism. Later on, with the spread of Protestantism into Spain, the Inquisition would also begin to persecute Protestants who broke away from the Roman Catholic Church. However, after the decline in religious disputes in the 17th century, the Spanish Inquisition essentially became more like a secret police that would investigate and retaliate against internal threats to the Spanish authorities. The Spanish Inquisition is probably the most infamous for its torture and the number of people executed as a result of it. One historian estimated that over the course of its history the Spanish Inquisition tried a total of 341,021 people, of whom at least 10 percent (31,912) were executed.

Another important period is known as the Portuguese Inquisition and was established in Portugal in 1536 by the king of Portugal, João III, and operated much like the more famous Spanish Inquisition. Later, in 1560, in India and other parts of the Portuguese Empire in Asia, the Goa Inquisition was set up in the Indian city of Goa to deal with converts from Hinduism who were suspected of continuing to practice or hold to some Hindu beliefs.

The last period is known as the Roman Inquisition, and it was established in 1542 when Pope Paul III established the Holy Office as the final court of appeals in all trials of heresy. This group was made up of cardinals and other officials whose task was to maintain and defend the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. This group played an important role in the Counter-Reformation, and it was also this body that condemned Galileo for “grave suspicion of heresy” and banned all of his works in 1633 for teaching that the sun was the center of the universe and that the earth revolved around it. In 1965, Pope Paul VI reorganized the Holy Office and renamed it as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and it remains in effect today."
-GotQuestions.org

The bottomline, (supported by your c&p), is that the various "inquisitions" were xtian pograms instigated against non-xtians, (and even some fellow self-declared xtians), by the same basic intolerant religious belief system as other xtians blindly have "faith" in.

For many who really don't understand the history of the Crusades and the Inquisitions, I hope this helps to know exactly what Falcon9 is referring to with these, and the fact that he, for one, continues to hold these against Christians of today.

While the heiness crimes against humanity committed historically by your fellow self-declared xtians contribute to the poor reputation of the xtian religion, its current faith-blinded adherents hold the same specious, (no supportive evidence), religious beliefs.  So yes, today's self-declared "4th reich nazis" are acknowledging that they hold the same basic belief system as the 3rd reich did.
 
Most Christians of today do not and will not approve of these.  However, there are a few, here and there, such as Westboro and the White Supremacists, who ruin the Christians' reputation, for their behavior that is totally unacceptable to Christians who genuinely love the Lord, and wish no ill will on anyone.

Cherry-picking certain aspects of the same, (xtian), belief system is a disingenuous attempt to dodge responsibility for the religious belief system being adhered to.
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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2012, 07:27:25 pm »
{actually, parroted from a biased xtian apologetic site: "GotQuestions.org"}:
"The crusades have provided some of the most frequent arguments against the Christian faith. Some Islamic terrorists even claim that their terrorist attacks are revenge for what Christians did in the crusades."

That's because the xtian crusaders slaughtered muslims simply because their variation of the same essential superstitious religious belief, ("islam"), wasn't the exact same self-delusional religious belief system.
If you are going to answer back, please include the full answer, not just the part you choose, which in fact, is the incomplete reason that you are selectively omitting:
In actuality, the crusades were responses to Muslim invasions on what was once land occupied primarily by Christians. From approximately A.D. 200 to 900, the land of Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Turkey was inhabited primarily by Christians. Once Islam became powerful, Muslims invaded these lands and brutally oppressed, enslaved, deported, and even murdered the Christians living in those lands. In response, the Roman Catholic Church and “Christian” kings/emperors from Europe ordered the crusades to reclaim the land the Muslims had taken.
Neither were right, in the first place.  One was done because of what the other did. 
« Last Edit: August 11, 2012, 07:29:44 pm by jcribb16 »

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« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2012, 07:35:58 pm »
If you are going to answer back, please include the full answer, not just the part you choose, which in fact, is the incomplete reason that you are selectively omitting.

I responded to the context of what was quoted.  If I wanted to rehash who conquered who first, I would've addressed that aspect of your cut&paste apologetic spiel.  I could also suggest that you reply to the contentions but, you are as 'free' to ignore them as I am to emphasize that you aren't 'debating' those contentions.
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« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2012, 07:39:42 pm »
Quote from: jcribb16 on Today at 06:54:01 pm
{actually, parroted from a biased xtian apologetic site: "GotQuestions.org"}:
The actions that many so-called Christians took in the crusades were still deplorable. There is no biblical justification for conquering lands, murdering civilians, and destroying cities in the name of Jesus Christ.

Quote from: falcon9:
It will be left to others to find the 'biblical' "justifications which contradict such claims.

It's already said that those things were deplorable.  It is very unfair to hold those deplorable acts against Christians of today.  There are many faiths/sects of today, compared to certain main ones back then, and the ones of today, do not agree with this deplorable action.  With the exception, of course, of the few who "play" God and judge, for themselves, how to punish people - they are wrong for doing this.

I just want to add that GotQuestions.org is NOT a biased Christian Apologetic site to all.  It is to you, obviously, since you hate Christianity, the Bible, any idea of God, etc., and you are entitled to your opinion.  You write as if it is fact and for all - you should be including that it is of YOUR opinion that it is biased.  Anything of a spiritual nature will be biased to you - it does not mean it is a fact for all.  I'm only adding this, not for your sake, but for others who see you act and use your opinions as if they are fact.

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« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2012, 07:47:28 pm »
"The Inquisitions were judicial institutions or tribunals that were established by the Roman Catholic Church in order to seek out, try, and sentence people that the Roman Catholic Church believed to be guilty of heresy. The purpose of the inquisitions was to secure and maintain religious and doctrinal unity in the Roman Catholic Church and throughout the Holy Roman Empire, through either the conversion or persecution of alleged heretics. Historians generally distinguish the Inquisitions based on four different time frames and areas that they took place in. These are the Medieval or Episcopal Inquisition, the Spanish Inquisition, the Portuguese Inquisition, and the Roman Inquisition.

Prior to the founding of the Roman Catholic Church and the establishment of their version of Christianity as the official state religion of the Roman Empire in the 4th century, the punishment for heresy among Christians was usually excommunication from the church. However, with the marriage of church and state that arose in the 4th century, people that the Roman Catholic Church considered to be heretics also came to be considered as enemies of the state and were subject to many forms of extreme punishment, including death. It wasn’t until the 12th century that official Inquisitions were organized and sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church to officially deal with what they saw as a rise in organized heretical groups within the Holy Roman Empire.

The first of the Inquisitions is known as the Medieval or Episcopal Inquisition and refers to the various tribunals that started around 1184. It includes the Episcopal Inquisition (1184-1230) and the Papal Inquisition (1230), which arose in response to large popular movements in Europe that were considered to be heretical by the Roman Catholic Church. It was during this time (1231) that Pope Gregory IX shifted the power to punish heretics away from the local bishops and put the inquisitors under the special jurisdiction and authority of the papacy. He also established severe penalties for those found guilty of committing heresy, and his decree set forth new guidelines for investigating and punishing heresy in the Holy Roman Empire. Generally, when an Inquisition was set up to investigate heresy in a particular area of the Holy Roman Empire, the Pope would appoint two inquisitors, each of which had equal authority in the Inquisition or tribunal. Because these inquisitors had the power to investigate and excommunicate even princes, they wielded enormous power and influence in the Holy Roman Empire.

While some of the inquisitors had reputations as being men of justice and mercy, others were known to subject people to cruel and unusual punishment, including many different kinds of torture, which is what the Inquisitions are generally remembered for.
Because they could imprison suspects that they thought were lying, some inquisitors used torture as an attempt to get them to admit what the inquisitor wanted to hear. In 1252 Pope Innocent IV officially sanctioned torture as a way of extracting the “truth” from suspects. Prior to that time, this type of extreme punishment was foreign to church tradition and practice. During the Spanish Inquisition alone, as many as 2,000 people were burned at the stake within one decade after the Inquisition began.

The next major Inquisition period is known as the Spanish Inquisition. It was set up by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain in 1478 with the approval of Pope Sixtus IV. Unlike the previous Inquisition, it was completely under royal authority and was staffed by secular clergy. It mainly focused on Jews who had professed to be converts to Roman Catholicism but who were suspected of having continued to practice Judaism. Later on, with the spread of Protestantism into Spain, the Inquisition would also begin to persecute Protestants who broke away from the Roman Catholic Church. However, after the decline in religious disputes in the 17th century, the Spanish Inquisition essentially became more like a secret police that would investigate and retaliate against internal threats to the Spanish authorities. The Spanish Inquisition is probably the most infamous for its torture and the number of people executed as a result of it. One historian estimated that over the course of its history the Spanish Inquisition tried a total of 341,021 people, of whom at least 10 percent (31,912) were executed.

Another important period is known as the Portuguese Inquisition and was established in Portugal in 1536 by the king of Portugal, João III, and operated much like the more famous Spanish Inquisition. Later, in 1560, in India and other parts of the Portuguese Empire in Asia, the Goa Inquisition was set up in the Indian city of Goa to deal with converts from Hinduism who were suspected of continuing to practice or hold to some Hindu beliefs.

The last period is known as the Roman Inquisition, and it was established in 1542 when Pope Paul III established the Holy Office as the final court of appeals in all trials of heresy. This group was made up of cardinals and other officials whose task was to maintain and defend the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. This group played an important role in the Counter-Reformation, and it was also this body that condemned Galileo for “grave suspicion of heresy” and banned all of his works in 1633 for teaching that the sun was the center of the universe and that the earth revolved around it. In 1965, Pope Paul VI reorganized the Holy Office and renamed it as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and it remains in effect today."
-GotQuestions.org

The bottomline, (supported by your c&p), is that the various "inquisitions" were xtian pograms instigated against non-xtians, (and even some fellow self-declared xtians), by the same basic intolerant religious belief system as other xtians blindly have "faith" in.

For many who really don't understand the history of the Crusades and the Inquisitions, I hope this helps to know exactly what Falcon9 is referring to with these, and the fact that he, for one, continues to hold these against Christians of today.

While the heiness crimes against humanity committed historically by your fellow self-declared xtians contribute to the poor reputation of the xtian religion, its current faith-blinded adherents hold the same specious, (no supportive evidence), religious beliefs.  So yes, today's self-declared "4th reich nazis" are acknowledging that they hold the same basic belief system as the 3rd reich did.
 
Most Christians of today do not and will not approve of these.  However, there are a few, here and there, such as Westboro and the White Supremacists, who ruin the Christians' reputation, for their behavior that is totally unacceptable to Christians who genuinely love the Lord, and wish no ill will on anyone.

Cherry-picking certain aspects of the same, (xtian), belief system is a disingenuous attempt to dodge responsibility for the religious belief system being adhered to.
Responsibility was taken and declared by them.  As Christians of today, we are NOT accepting of what happened back then.  I don't give a care that you choose to continue to hold it against Christians of today.  It's your biased and tainted opinion based on not being a believer and choosing to hold it over today's Christians, who do not accept, nor approve of, and do not act like that in their spiritual lives.  There were a lot of wrong things going on, back then, on BOTH sides - they will be held accountable at judgement time like anyone else.  They do NOT represent the genuine believer in God today, no matter what you seem to want to stubbornly hold over their heads.  As Jesus said, "He who is without sin, throw the first stone."  You are a sinner, as anyone else, and it would be unfair to hold over your head, something someone did years ago, that represents your "disbelief" group, which would make your whole group look bad.

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« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2012, 07:48:13 pm »
I just want to add that GotQuestions.org is NOT a biased Christian Apologetic site to all.  

"Mission Statement of Got Questions Ministries:

"Got Questions Ministries seeks to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ by providing biblical, applicable, and timely answers to spiritually-related questions through an internet presence. GotQuestions.org is a volunteer ministry of dedicated and trained servants who have a desire to assist others in their understanding of God, Scripture, salvation, and other spiritual topics. We are Christian, Protestant, conservative, evangelical, fundamental, and non-denominational." -- http://www.gotquestions.org/about.html

The site's own "mission statement" contradicts your claim; it is an inherently biased xtian apologetic site, (because it isn't being provided with specious dodges by non-xtians).

"Christian apologetics (Greek: ἀπολογία, "verbal defence, speech in defence")[1] is a field of Christian theology which aims to present a rational basis for the Christian faith, defend the faith against objections, and attempt to expose the flaws of other world views."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_apologetics
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« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2012, 07:52:00 pm »
Responsibility was taken and declared by them.  As Christians of today, we are NOT accepting of what happened back then. 

That's fine and dandy however, the historic attrocities of your superstitious religious belief system were/are the basis for the same superstitious religious system.  That's the essential point you are missing by fixating upon the derivative subpoint; you're all self-declared xtians, holding the same general superstitious religious beliefs.
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