What Is Your Evidence?

[falcon9]

Wow there are some mean people in this world. Do I believe in a "god"? No, but I don't bash those that do... in fact I really hope that when I die a gentelmen named St. Peter meets me at some pearly gates and says "No".  I will be relieved that my friends and familly didn't waste their lives on false hope. Again, I really do hope this happens.

And if they have wasted their time on false hope, what then?  Just shrug off all of the religious deceits and faith-based oppression they commit in this life under the banner of such baseless blind faith?


“Recalling some of the most spectacular horrors of history -- the burning of heretics and witches at the stake, the wholesale massacre of "heathens," and other no less repulsive manifestations of xtian "civilization" in Europe and elsewhere - modern man is filled with pride in the "progress" accomplished, in one line at least, since the end of the dark ages of religious fanaticism.”
-- Savitri Devi

[alaric99x]

Wow there are some mean people in this world. Do I believe in a "god"? No, but I don't bash those that do... in fact I really hope that when I die a gentelmen named St. Peter meets me at some pearly gates and says "No".  I will be relieved that my friends and familly didn't waste their lives on false hope. Again, I really do hope this happens.

Thank you for that. 

You're welcome.

[momoney555]

I agree mpedersen, there are some very mean people in this world.  However, I think that the ones voicing their opposing opinions to the post I made initially, "What is your Evidence?", are people who obviously have no evidence in their lives and are very ticked off at those who do.  It is sad that they don't realize that no matter how much bashing, name calling and belittling they do to whoever wants to post to this subject, they can't undo or eradicate someone's personal experience from their life. As Bob Dylan sang... You've got to serve somebody...It may be the devil....It may be the Lord...but you've got to serve somebody...", and it is pretty obvious whom they are serving.  Anyone who has an experience to share, please share it under the topic "Have you Ever had a Faith Affirming Experience? on the regular "Off Topics" board, posted for discussion, not debate.  Of course the negativity will follow you there but that is what the "ignore" button is for.  Maybe a civilized discussion on the subject will be possible there.
 

I Peter 5:8 - KJV

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. ... 

[Falconer02]

I agree mpedersen, there are some very mean people in this world.  However, I think that the ones voicing their opposing opinions to the post I made initially, "What is your Evidence?", are people who obviously have no evidence in their lives and are very ticked off at those who do.

Actually we're (atleast I'm) not at all. We're just pointing out the arrogance and the basic fallacies the 'presenters of evidence' fail to see. There's nothing wrong with debating and discussing in a debate and discuss forum. I'm not sure why you don't understand this concept.  

It is sad that they don't realize that no matter how much bashing, name calling and belittling they do to whoever wants to post to this subject,

Anything you may deem 'name calling' is actually calling it as it is. Unless one can refute the names or show how they don't apply? There's a major difference between, say, calling someone arrogant and calling someone a (insert swear here).

please share it under the topic "Have you Ever had a Faith Affirming Experience? on the regular "Off Topics" board, posted for discussion, not debate.

I tried searching for it but could find it to post a link here.

Of course the negativity will follow you there but that is what the "ignore" button is for.  Maybe a civilized discussion on the subject will be possible there.

Yes. A civilized discussion where a thread titled "Say something stupid" is at the top.

[falcon9]

I think that the ones voicing their opposing opinions to the post I made initially, "What is your Evidence?", are people who obviously have no evidence in their lives and are very ticked off at those who do. 

No, what has been presented as "evidence" is not evidential; it's unsubstantiated attributions and hearsay which dodges the burden of proof obligation.

It is sad that they don't realize that no matter how much bashing, name calling and belittling they do to whoever wants to post to this subject, they can't undo or eradicate someone's personal experience from their life. 

The only trouble with that is, someone misattributing "personal experience from their life" to a supernatural cause does not constitute valid evidence of their claims.  Empty religious claims are intentionally deceptive.  Being intentionally deceptive is counter to honor.

[momoney555]

Lets just be honest.  There is no proof for you nor are you looking for proof.  That is not your mission. Your mission, and the mission of all those like you, is to make sure no proof is ever presented and to quickly disqualify and devalue anything that may remotely be perceived as proof because it could expose your pointless ideology for the horse manure that it is!

[falcon9]

Lets just be honest. 

Your engaging in such a practice in lieu of the dishonest deceptions you have been using isn't expected anytime soon.
 

There is no proof for you nor are you looking for proof.

No valid evidence has been presented by those making specious religious claims, (instead, unsubstantiated hearsay based upon "faith" and not evidence has been presented).

That is not your mission. Your mission, and the mission of all those like you, is to make sure no proof is ever presented and to quickly disqualify and devalue anything that may remotely be perceived as proof because it could expose your pointless ideology for the horse manure that it is!

None of the specious hearsay being substituted for "proof" is remotely evidentiary since such inherently biased hearsay does not constitute valid evidence, (it's mere empty opinion). The burden of proof remains with those religious adherents who made the religious claims in the first place.  This responsibility cannot rationally be shifted onto the challengers of those specious religious claims to 'disprove' a negative assertion.

[Falconer02]

There is no proof for you nor are you looking for proof.  That is not your mission. Your mission, and the mission of all those like you, is to make sure no proof is ever presented and to quickly disqualify and devalue anything that may remotely be perceived as proof because it could expose your pointless ideology for the horse manure that it is!

Let me make a basic example as to what's going on here-

Let's say you think Poptarts cured your cold. Fine. No quarrels needed. But suddenly you start shouting and praising Poptarts saying it's the the cure for the common cold. People take interest in hearing how it did so. Suddenly more sick people are eating pop-tarts and other junkfood. It's obvious to anyone who reads the side of the box to know that eating a lot of poptarts is not healthy. Moreover it's quite obvious that Poptarts don't cure illnesses. We talk to you and tell you that your "evidences" of Poptarts curing your cold are not correct as there were many other factors at play- you had seen a doctor, you had taken a few random meds, you slept well and kept yourself in good spirits, you had plenty of chicken soup and water, etc. etc.

Suddenly you're getting mad at us and tell us we're wrong because you like the sweet taste of Poptarts and you just know they cured your cold. We ask you to show us how it did so with basic evidence, and you tell us we're being rude and devaluing your belief in the all-powerful Poptarts. So suddenly we're the bad guys for challenging your assertion that your empty belief is true?

So please- show us some evidence that your god is helping you (or poptarts can cure the common cold). If you can't, fine! Argument over. If you want to still believe, fine! No problem on this end. Just keep it to yourself so you don't sound like some arrogant self-righteous narcissistic zealot.

[falcon9]

There is no proof for you nor are you looking for proof.  That is not your mission. Your mission, and the mission of all those like you, is to make sure no proof is ever presented and to quickly disqualify and devalue anything that may remotely be perceived as proof because it could expose your pointless ideology for the horse manure that it is!

Let me make a basic example as to what's going on here-

Let's say you think Poptarts cured your cold. Fine. No quarrels needed. But suddenly you start shouting and praising Poptarts saying it's the the cure for the common cold. People take interest in hearing how it did so. Suddenly more sick people are eating pop-tarts and other junkfood. It's obvious to anyone who reads the side of the box to know that eating a lot of poptarts is not healthy. Moreover it's quite obvious that Poptarts don't cure illnesses. We talk to you and tell you that your "evidences" of Poptarts curing your cold are not correct as there were many other factors at play- you had seen a doctor, you had taken a few random meds, you slept well and kept yourself in good spirits, you had plenty of chicken soup and water, etc. etc.

Suddenly you're getting mad at us and tell us we're wrong because you like the sweet taste of Poptarts and you just know they cured your cold. We ask you to show us how it did so with basic evidence, and you tell us we're being rude and devaluing your belief in the all-powerful Poptarts. So suddenly we're the bad guys for challenging your assertion that your empty belief is true?

Well-said.  Such seems the consistant dodge of those who continually fail to provide actual evidence to support outrageous religious claims, (to attack the challengers, not the logic of the challenges themselves and avoid providing evidence which has any veracity).

[vp44]

  Yes I do believe in God and no Im am of no religion. I beieve because we all just didnt show up on this earth so someone  or something created us.

[falcon9]

Yes I do believe in God and no Im am of no religion. I beieve because we all just didnt show up on this earth so someone  or something created us.

Such 'reasoning' is faulty because it eschews actual reasoning; the conclusion does not logically follow from the false dichotomy inherent in the premise.

[queenofnines]

Lets just be honest.  There is no proof for you nor are you looking for proof.  That is not your mission. Your mission, and the mission of all those like you, is to make sure no proof is ever presented and to quickly disqualify and devalue anything that may remotely be perceived as proof because it could expose your pointless ideology for the horse manure that it is!

Exactly. 

[falcon9]

Lets just be honest.  There is no proof for you nor are you looking for proof.  That is not your mission. Your mission, and the mission of all those like you, is to make sure no proof is ever presented and to quickly disqualify and devalue anything that may remotely be perceived as proof because it could expose your pointless ideology for the horse manure that it is!

Exactly. 

What?
How can rationality and reason be irrationally/illogically considered to be a "pointless ideology" of "horse manure" by a pointless religious ideologists who has the horse manure of 'faith' in such religious contentions?  It's always humorous when irrational religious fundies try to misuse pseudo-reasoning to 'debunk' reasoning.

[ccwillis]

Well for me I studies my bible daily. It is my evidence and thats all I need. And for those that dont believe the true saints of God are being prapared by Him to replace satan and his demons in the ruling over this earth. For satan is now the "god of this age."(2 Corinthians 4:4).

[falcon9]

Well for me I studies my bible daily. It is my evidence and thats all I need. 

The "bible", (whichever variant being referred to), does not constitute evidence since it consists entirely unsupported hearsay based upon "faith".  Neither hearsay nor faith constitute valid evidence, (because "faith", "belief" and "hearsay" are not support by evidence themselves).  Such circular non-reasoning typifies blind religious faith.


"Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses."
-- Arthur C. Clarke