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« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2012, 09:51:17 pm »

The word amen (play /ˌɑːˈmɛn/ or /ˌeɪˈmɛn/; Hebrew: אָמֵן, Modern amen Tiberian ʾāmēn; Greek: ἀμήν; Arabic: آمين‎, ʾāmīn ; "So be it; truly") is a declaration of affirmation[1][2] found in the Hebrew Bible and New Testament. Its use in Judaism dates back to its earliest texts.[3] It has been generally adopted in Christian worship as a concluding word for prayers and hymns.[2]


Pronunciation


In English, the word amen has two primary pronunciations, ah-men (/ɑːˈmɛn/) or ay-men (/eɪˈmɛn/), with minor additional variation in emphasis (the two syllables may be equally stressed instead of placing primary stress on the second). The Oxford English Dictionary gives "eɪ'mεn, often ɑː'mɛn".

The ah-men pronunciation is used in performances of classical music, in churches with more formalized rituals and liturgy and in liberal to mainline Protestant denominations, as well as almost every Jewish congregation, in line with modern Hebrew pronunciation. The ay-men pronunciation, a product of the Great Vowel Shift dating to the 15th century, is associated with Irish Protestantism and conservative Evangelical denominations generally, and is the pronunciation typically used in gospel music. Fowler, in his Modern English Usage (2nd ed., s.v. 'amen'), quotes from Essays and Studies (1960), "Ahmen is probably a comparatively modern Anglican invention of about a hundred years' standing. Roman Catholics, one is glad to note, on the whole retain the English āmen."
Etymology

The usage of Amen, meaning "so be it", as found in the early scriptures of the Bible is said to be of Hebrew origin;[5][6] however, the basic triconsonantal root from which the word was derived is common to a number of Semitic Languages such as Aramaic and Arabic. The word was imported into the Greek of the early Church from Judaism.[1][7] From Greek, amen entered the other Western languages. According to a standard dictionary etymology, amen passed from Greek into Late Latin, and thence into English.[8]


The Hebrew word amen derives from the same ancient triliteral Hebrew root as does the verb ʾāmán.[9] Grammarians frequently list ʾāmán under its three consonants (aleph-mem-nun), which are identical to those of ʾāmēn (note that the Hebrew letter א aleph originally represented a glottal stop sound, which functioned as a consonant in the morphology of Hebrew).[8] This triliteral root means to be firm, confirmed, reliable, faithful, have faith, believe.

In Arabic, the word is derived from its triliteral common root word ʾĀmana (Arabic: آمن‎), which has the same meanings as the Hebrew root word.

Popular among some theosophists,[10] proponents of Afrocentric theories of history,[11] and adherents of esoteric Christianity [12][13] is the conjecture that amen is a derivative of the name of the Egyptian god Amun (which is sometimes also spelled Amen). Some adherents of Eastern religions believe that amen shares roots with the Hindu Sanskrit word, Aum.[14][15][16][17] There is no academic support for either of these views. The Hebrew word, as noted above, starts with aleph, while the Egyptian name begins with a yodh.[18]

The Armenian word ամեն /ˌɑːmˈɛn/ means "every"; however it is also used in the same form at the conclusion of prayers, much as in English.[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen

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« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2012, 01:16:07 am »
"World English Dictionary -
 
Amen , Amon or Amūn  (ˈɑːmən) — n:

Egyptian myth - a local Theban god, having a ram's head and symbolizing life and fertility, identified by the Egyptians with the national deity Amen-Ra  --

Amon  (ˈɑːmən) Egyptian myth;  a variant spelling of Amen"

Oh my you are using a dictionary that obviously has no inclusion of the Christian usage of the word.

It's a secular source, not some crappy biased xtian source.  

The Egyptian Amon is not from the Aegyptian culture it stems from earlier cultures in Africa, most likely Ethiopia (since it was used there before it was in Egypt).  If I am indeed this abysmal idiot as you claim, then what does that make you since I am correct and you are entirely wrong?

So now you're an Egyptologist, huh?  I'm not however, I am aware that at the time of the Aegyptians, that "the earliest records of Ethiopia appear in Ancient Egypt, during the Old Kingdom period. Egyptian traders from about 3000 BC who refer to lands south of Nubia or Kush as Punt and Yam. The Egyptians sometimes called Punt land Ta-Netjeru, meaning "Land of the Neteru," ('g-ds') and considered it their place of origin." Parts of what is now Ethiopia and Sudan formed some of the Upper Egypt of pharoaic times. There is no verifiable record of "amen" being used by the Ethiopians or Sudanese. The Aegyptians named one of their neteru "Amon"/"Amen"/"Amun", which means 'the hidden one', (and likely why the hebrews ripped it off, transliterated into ancient hebrew and altered the meaning, years after the Aeyptian usage).

I'm not sure what constitutes your being even dumber than abysmally-idiotic, (maybe I'll look up that etymology for you or, maybe not). 
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« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2012, 05:19:21 am »
Jesus, rightful Advocate of peace, Elegant Champion of reconciliation, Your victories echo harmoniously. You taught me the way towards peace, My assurance of congenial oneness. Teach me to carry the torch of peace, That it may reside within my heart And radiate in my surroundings. Through the Grace of Your power, Transform the world into a Heaven. You are the only hope of mankind: You are the most gracious Peace Maker!

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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2012, 09:19:20 am »
My daily prayer is giving thanks to the Lord for all my blessings.  I do this throughout the day.
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« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2012, 10:24:27 am »
The word amen (play /ˌɑːˈmɛn/ or /ˌeɪˈmɛn/; Hebrew: אָמֵן, Modern amen Tiberian ʾāmēn; Greek: ἀμήν; Arabic: آمين‎, ʾāmīn ; "So be it; truly") is a declaration of affirmation[1][2] found in the Hebrew Bible and New Testament. Its use in Judaism dates back to its earliest texts.[3] It has been generally adopted in Christian worship as a concluding word for prayers and hymns.[2]


Pronunciation


In English, the word amen has two primary pronunciations, ah-men (/ɑːˈmɛn/) or ay-men (/eɪˈmɛn/), with minor additional variation in emphasis (the two syllables may be equally stressed instead of placing primary stress on the second). The Oxford English Dictionary gives "eɪ'mεn, often ɑː'mɛn".

The ah-men pronunciation is used in performances of classical music, in churches with more formalized rituals and liturgy and in liberal to mainline Protestant denominations, as well as almost every Jewish congregation, in line with modern Hebrew pronunciation. The ay-men pronunciation, a product of the Great Vowel Shift dating to the 15th century, is associated with Irish Protestantism and conservative Evangelical denominations generally, and is the pronunciation typically used in gospel music. Fowler, in his Modern English Usage (2nd ed., s.v. 'amen'), quotes from Essays and Studies (1960), "Ahmen is probably a comparatively modern Anglican invention of about a hundred years' standing. Roman Catholics, one is glad to note, on the whole retain the English āmen."
Etymology

The usage of Amen, meaning "so be it", as found in the early scriptures of the Bible is said to be of Hebrew origin;[5][6] however, the basic triconsonantal root from which the word was derived is common to a number of Semitic Languages such as Aramaic and Arabic. The word was imported into the Greek of the early Church from Judaism.[1][7] From Greek, amen entered the other Western languages. According to a standard dictionary etymology, amen passed from Greek into Late Latin, and thence into English.[8]


The Hebrew word amen derives from the same ancient triliteral Hebrew root as does the verb ʾāmán.[9] Grammarians frequently list ʾāmán under its three consonants (aleph-mem-nun), which are identical to those of ʾāmēn (note that the Hebrew letter א aleph originally represented a glottal stop sound, which functioned as a consonant in the morphology of Hebrew).[8] This triliteral root means to be firm, confirmed, reliable, faithful, have faith, believe.

In Arabic, the word is derived from its triliteral common root word ʾĀmana (Arabic: آمن‎), which has the same meanings as the Hebrew root word.

Popular among some theosophists,[10] proponents of Afrocentric theories of history,[11] and adherents of esoteric Christianity [12][13] is the conjecture that amen is a derivative of the name of the Egyptian god Amun (which is sometimes also spelled Amen). Some adherents of Eastern religions believe that amen shares roots with the Hindu Sanskrit word, Aum.[14][15][16][17] There is no academic support for either of these views. The Hebrew word, as noted above, starts with aleph, while the Egyptian name begins with a yodh.[18]

The Armenian word ամեն /ˌɑːmˈɛn/ means "every"; however it is also used in the same form at the conclusion of prayers, much as in English.[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen
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"[amen] is one of the few words of scripture which is written in its original Hebrew form. In fact, it is practically a universal word, having been adopted directly from the Hebrew into Greek, Latin, English, Spanish, and many other languages. Found both in the Old and the New Testaments, it is also translated in different ways, depending upon the context of the passage in which it is found. This Hebrew amen is derived from the root [aman], which means to be firm or solid in the sense of permanency or faithfulness. Thus by implication, it means to be sure or true. So whenever we see this word Amen used in scripture, it is affirming what is truth, or illustrating something said that is of absolute certainty. We can get a better understanding of the word in looking at the way God uses it in a slightly different context than we normally would see it. In Isaiah chapter 65 [amen] is used as a title for God, illustrating His faithfulness to His promises."

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/amen.html

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« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2012, 05:07:53 pm »
Etymology:

The usage of Amen, meaning "so be it", as found in the early scriptures of the Bible is said to be of Hebrew origin;[5][6] however, the basic triconsonantal root from which the word was derived is common to a number of Semitic Languages such as Aramaic and Arabic. 
Popular among some theosophists,[10] proponents of Afrocentric theories of history,[11] and adherents of esoteric Christianity [12][13] is the conjecture that amen is a derivative of the name of the Egyptian god Amun (which is sometimes also spelled Amen). Some adherents of Eastern religions believe that amen shares roots with the Hindu Sanskrit word, Aum.[14][15][16][17]
 
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/amen.html

"Amon"/"Amun"/"Amen"/"Amin" in the Aegyptian language predates the later hebrew "scriptural" plagiarisms.
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« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2012, 05:28:16 pm »
Etymology:

The usage of Amen, meaning "so be it", as found in the early scriptures of the Bible is said to be of Hebrew origin;[5][6] however, the basic triconsonantal root from which the word was derived is common to a number of Semitic Languages such as Aramaic and Arabic. 
Popular among some theosophists,[10] proponents of Afrocentric theories of history,[11] and adherents of esoteric Christianity [12][13] is the conjecture that amen is a derivative of the name of the Egyptian god Amun (which is sometimes also spelled Amen). Some adherents of Eastern religions believe that amen shares roots with the Hindu Sanskrit word, Aum.[14][15][16][17] I always thought Amen meant "I Believe"  :angel11: which I most certainly do  :thumbsup:
 
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/amen.html

"Amon"/"Amun"/"Amen"/"Amin" in the Aegyptian language predates the later hebrew "scriptural" plagiarisms.

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« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2012, 04:07:00 pm »
Etymology:

The usage of Amen, meaning "so be it", as found in the early scriptures of the Bible is said to be of Hebrew origin;[5][6] however, the basic triconsonantal root from which the word was derived is common to a number of Semitic Languages such as Aramaic and Arabic. 
Popular among some theosophists,[10] proponents of Afrocentric theories of history,[11] and adherents of esoteric Christianity [12][13] is the conjecture that amen is a derivative of the name of the Egyptian god Amun (which is sometimes also spelled Amen). Some adherents of Eastern religions believe that amen shares roots with the Hindu Sanskrit word, Aum.[14][15][16][17]
 
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/amen.html

"Amon"/"Amun"/"Amen"/"Amin" in the Aegyptian language predates the later hebrew "scriptural" plagiarisms.
I just don't agree with that.

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« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2012, 05:36:50 pm »
Etymology:

The usage of Amen, meaning "so be it", as found in the early scriptures of the Bible is said to be of Hebrew origin;[5][6] however, the basic triconsonantal root from which the word was derived is common to a number of Semitic Languages such as Aramaic and Arabic. 
Popular among some theosophists,[10] proponents of Afrocentric theories of history,[11] and adherents of esoteric Christianity [12][13] is the conjecture that amen is a derivative of the name of the Egyptian god Amun (which is sometimes also spelled Amen). Some adherents of Eastern religions believe that amen shares roots with the Hindu Sanskrit word, Aum.[14][15][16][17]
 
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/amen.html

"Amon"/"Amun"/"Amen"/"Amin" in the Aegyptian language predates the later hebrew "scriptural" plagiarisms.
I just don't agree with that.

He is wrong in his implications and was saying that a different word that means something else and only sounds the same (and possibly only sounds the same in modern dialects).  Now he is trying to slide by with simply saying that the different word was first, which it was.  What is even funnier is that the word he accused the Hebrew of plagiarizing off of Egyptians when the Egyptians actually got the word from the Ethiopians.  Also interestingly is that he thinks Aegyptian is different than Egyptian when it is simply the archaic spelling.
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« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2012, 05:49:31 pm »
thisis my prayer god thanks for the protection

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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2012, 05:52:11 pm »
"World English Dictionary -
 
Amen , Amon or Amūn  (ˈɑːmən) — n:

Egyptian myth - a local Theban god, having a ram's head and symbolizing life and fertility, identified by the Egyptians with the national deity Amen-Ra  --

Amon  (ˈɑːmən) Egyptian myth;  a variant spelling of Amen"

Oh my you are using a dictionary that obviously has no inclusion of the Christian usage of the word.

It's a secular source, not some crappy biased xtian source.  

The Egyptian Amon is not from the Aegyptian culture it stems from earlier cultures in Africa, most likely Ethiopia (since it was used there before it was in Egypt).  If I am indeed this abysmal idiot as you claim, then what does that make you since I am correct and you are entirely wrong?

So now you're an Egyptologist, huh?  I'm not however, I am aware that at the time of the Aegyptians, that "the earliest records of Ethiopia appear in Ancient Egypt, during the Old Kingdom period. Egyptian traders from about 3000 BC who refer to lands south of Nubia or Kush as Punt and Yam. The Egyptians sometimes called Punt land Ta-Netjeru, meaning "Land of the Neteru," ('g-ds') and considered it their place of origin." Parts of what is now Ethiopia and Sudan formed some of the Upper Egypt of pharoaic times. There is no verifiable record of "amen" being used by the Ethiopians or Sudanese. The Aegyptians named one of their neteru "Amon"/"Amen"/"Amun", which means 'the hidden one', (and likely why the hebrews ripped it off, transliterated into ancient hebrew and altered the meaning, years after the Aeyptian usage).

I'm not sure what constitutes your being even dumber than abysmally-idiotic, (maybe I'll look up that etymology for you or, maybe not). 

So you admit to cherry picking a specific definition that excludes the Hebrew usage of the word (You stipulate you avoided dictionaries using Christian words but since this is Language I am not sure why you would avoid Hebrew or Greek references).  You tacitly admit to deliberately suppressing knowledge in an attempt to portray a false claim.  You are showing prejudice and cultural bias.  You are basically denying the Hebrew people here much like any of those other extremist lunatics with their vile intentions.  I suppose you next claim is that no Jewish people were killed by the *bleep*'s eh?  You are damned pathetic and even seem to proudly admit your bias and prejudice.

You fool, Aegyptians are Egyptians and it is simply an archaic spelling of the word -- they are not a different people.  If you want to reference ancient Egypt you would do it as "ancient Egypt" and not by usage of an outdated spelling.  Do you know why the earliest records of of Ethiopia do appear in Ancient Egypt?  It is because it predated ancient Egypt and they had some record of it you idiot.  Learn to comprehend stuff, why don't you while you look for cherry picked definitions.  No wonder you don't trust anything it is because you don't understand anything unless it is made perfectly clear to you over and over and over.  Did you never ask "why?" as a child or did you just look stupid when someone told you something you didn't understand?

Oh wait, now you are saying Hebrews stole a word from Egyptians (who got it from an older culture) and changed the meaning and spelling/recognition of it.  Do you realize how insane you sound making such obviously prejudicial claims?
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« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2012, 06:15:06 pm »

This is my prayer, Give me the head of John the Baptist here on a platter." [Matthew 14:8]

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« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2012, 06:48:00 pm »
god thank you for the day and night

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« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2012, 12:54:43 am »
So you admit to cherry picking a specific definition that excludes the Hebrew usage of the word ... You are basically denying the Hebrew people ...

No, huckster of strawmen, I'm refuting the implied false claim that the hebrew plagiarism of "amon" occurred before the Aegyptian usage which preceded the hebrews and their language/dialects by hundreds of years.  Further, I'm rejecting your cherry-picked religiously-based redefinition of a word which the hebrews later 'appropriated' in an act of cultural theft.

You fool, Aegyptians are Egyptians and it is simply an archaic spelling of the word -- they are not a different people.

Actually, the distinction was made between 'modern'/coptic Egyptians and the 'ancient' Aegyptians to distinguish xtian egyptians from pagan egyptians.  

Oh wait, now you are saying Hebrews stole a word from Egyptians (who got it from an older culture) and changed the meaning and spelling/recognition of it.

Your claim that the (A)egyptians stole the word "amon" from the "ethiopians" is not substantiated by evidence.  Further, there is evidence that both what is now Sudan and Ethiopia partially formed what was Upper Egypt in pharoaic and earlier predynastic times.  Language stems from the dominant culture which was not some mythical "ethiopian" vague culture but, the (A)egyptian one which spread out from along the Nile.
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« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2012, 12:56:11 am »
I just don't agree with that.

Of course not; the secular facts contradict the religious faith.
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