A God that knows the future but powerless to change it

[sarabtrayior]

God IS NOT POWERLESS, the Almighty gives us the power and we mess it up... think about that!

[falcon9]

I think that some things are harder for us to understand.
If you just leave your faith in God, he will lead the way. We don't have to understand WHY- that's his job!

Conversely, one can eschew blind blind faith and take some personal responsibility for one's life instead of abdicating it because things are difficult to understand.

"Religion is the masterpiece of the art of animal training, for it trains people as to how they shall think."
-- Arthur Schopenhauer

[jcribb16]

Jnjm....you have freedom of choice correct?When you see such posts you arent forced to read or view them.But you wanna bash them.I agree there are many different religeous views in the world.Satan wants to blind many.Anyway,what gives man the right to tell God how He should be served?

Exactly.  People are free to post threads of different topics in this forum.  No one is asking or forcing anyone else to read topics they don't like.  They can post their own topics of interests if they so choose - you know people will either like or not like them either.  Religion, for some, is not for them, and that's their choice.  Religion, for others, is for them, and that's their choice.  Posters are free to post and reply, within the guidelines. 

Telling Christians to not post or not discuss things of their interests is wrong.  Just as wrong as someone wanting to post another religion topic, and to be told they shouldn't or can't do it.  This forum is for everyone.  I'm not entering those that do not apply to me nor do I believe in.  Unless it's in the debate forum, and if I want to come in and discuss and debate, I will.  But, overall, I'm not telling others they can't post an original "certain type of thread" and then go in and bash them for thinking the way they do.  It's not right for me nor anyone else to disrespect like that.

but when you say something on here, you should expect to get comments and you arent always going to like what they other people have to say. just like the OP had every right to post what they wanted everyone who replies has the same right to post whatever they want. WHETHER YOU WANT TO HEAR IT OR NOT.

Which is exactly what both of us are doing.

[kolathegreat]

I was browsing and i saw a member post this.

If God knew A&E were gonna sin then,why did he bother to warn them of penalty of sin=death?

If He knew all the time He would be powerless to control it then.Its like someone that has a good voice...are they singing all the time or can they choose when to sing?

With Jehovah he can choose when to see the future and when not to.

Its actually quite simple to understand but i understand why the atheists or enemys of God try,try and try.

the lord knows all he cabn stop it adam wanted to listen to satan  the lord had been told him to do what he told him to do POINT BLANK HE DISOBEYED CAUSE WHAT SATAN TOLD HIM SOUNDED GOOD

[kolathegreat]

I was browsing and i saw a member post this.

If God knew A&E were gonna sin then,why did he bother to warn them of penalty of sin=death?

If He knew all the time He would be powerless to control it then.Its like someone that has a good voice...are they singing all the time or can they choose when to sing?

With Jehovah he can choose when to see the future and when not to.

Its actually quite simple to understand but i understand why the atheists or enemys of God try,try and try.

  the lord knew he would sin it is eveery man free will listen or dont but you cant say u was not TOLD BET ADAM CANT SAY THAT

[jcribb16]

Nothing is contentious unless you are perceiving it that way. 

I concur and apply that to your preceptions that contentious opposition is "rude", "disrespectful" or impolite simply to silence them.
 

No one is forcing you to go in the threads. 

Neither is anyone "forcing" you to read dissenting replies to any thread.  That's your choice.
 

No one is threatening you if you don't go into the threads.

No, someone is 'threatening' to "report" me if I continue posting dissenting opposition to xtian proselytizations, as if those remarks/threads are some private and exclusive xtian country club.
 

It goes the same with any other thread in this forum.  You single the Christian ones out and it's very obvious.  That kind of gives vibes to some Christians of the "contention" coming from your posts aimed at them -

"Vibes"?  Isn't that some new age hippy term, rather than a xtian one?  Regardless, someone else's alleged "vibes" cannot and should not deter others from the same freedom to post dissenting replies as those who initially post contentious subject matter.  In other words, don't anticipate the recoil; either shoot-off a post or, use the thoughtfully-provided 'ignore' function to avoid upsetting any delicate sensibilities, (rather than trying to censor others via 'guilt' or self-serving misapplications of the "golden rule").

I'm not trying to silence you, just as you say you aren't trying to silence Christians.  I am challenging you on your total disrespect towards mainly Christians, and mainly in a simple Bible verse thread.  It is not a contentious thread just because you say it is.  You perceive it that way apparently only because the title has the word "Bible" in it.  When you go in and bash, then yes, it becomes contentious - you have now made it that way.  There's a difference between opposition and disrespect.  You know this - it's just plainly obvious of your dislike or loathing for anything posted that pertains to Christians, and mainly the Bible verse threads.  

I don't know who exactly you are speaking of "threatening" to report you for posting dissenting opposition - the only thing I'm not supporting of you with, disrespect aside, is a certain quote that has an "implied" meaning behind it, being used contentiously toward a Christian, especially when it's obvious how you feel about Christians' beliefs, and that those kinds of quotes or wordings should not be used towards anyone, in this case, Christians.  

Overall, it's a shame that a Bible verse thread can't be enjoyed by many people, believers or not, because of a certain one or two who feel they must come in there and mock others for something they enjoy.  To some, this is not a good example of following a golden rule of respect for something outside of what others may not enjoy.  It seems to be too much fun to go in and mock the believers for something they hold as valuable.  And, since some get away with it, then it's continued.  Since it's continued, others have the right to stand up and say something back.  I am assuming once a thread gets derailed for the mocking and contention, there is great joy for the some who went in and started the contention.  That's sad and immature, as adults, for that kind of ridiculous stuff to happen.

[hitch0403]

Kolb your answer backs up the way you wrote it.?

[falcon9]

I'm not trying to silence you, just as you say you aren't trying to silence Christians.  I am challenging you on your total disrespect towards mainly Christians, and mainly in a simple Bible verse thread.  

By characterizing replies which oppose your religious beliefs as 'disrespectful' or 'rude', you are indeed attempting to curtail such replies, (silence them).  This is not a "challenge", it's merely a cheap and ineffective roundabout failed censorship.

It is not a contentious thread just because you say it is.  You perceive it that way apparently only because the title has the word "Bible" in it.

No, it's 'perceived' that way because the topic, (religion), is inherently contentious since not everyone shares the same beliefs, (or holds them).

When you go in and bash, then yes, it becomes contentious - you have now made it that way.

No, the initial posting of such topics is inherently contentious.  You're merely shifting the responsibility for xtians doing so onto any non-xtian replies in response.  This is like a bank robber 'blaming' the police for arresting that bank robber while omitting the pesky detail of them robbing a bank.

There's a difference between opposition and disrespect.  

There certainly is a difference in interpreting what's 'disrespectful'; for instance, my view is that the initial bible-thumping posts are as "disrespectful" as you interpret opposing replies to me.  Stalemate.

I don't know who exactly you are speaking of "threatening" to report you for posting dissenting opposition - the only thing I'm not supporting of you with, disrespect aside, is a certain quote that has an "implied" meaning behind it, being used contentiously toward a Christian, especially when it's obvious how you feel about Christians' beliefs, and that those kinds of quotes or wordings should not be used towards anyone, in this case, Christians.  

There was no threat, implied or otherwise, in quoting a line from television series about fictional characters.  No actual xtian was threatened, it's fiction - you know, like xtianity is.

Overall, it's a shame that a Bible verse thread can't be enjoyed by many people, believers or not, because of ...

Yes well, it's a damned shame that religious fundies don't like opposing viewpoints when they want to proselytize without opposition too.  These threads and forums are not some kind of exclusive xtian country clubs for religious proselytization.  Since such proselytizing is not prohibited by FC, neither is opposing dissent prohibited, (no matter how hard come xtians try to suppress it).

[sherryinutah]

To me the saying...

A God that knows the future but powerless to change it MEANS...

If there is a God we're seriously under estimating him.  We are individuals making our own choices because we have free will.  If there is a God he is NOT interfering with the choices we make.  That seems fairly simple and obvious to me.

 

[falcon9]

To me the saying...

A God that knows the future but powerless to change it MEANS...

If there is a God we're seriously under estimating him.  We are individuals making our own choices because we have free will.  If there is a God he is NOT interfering with the choices we make.  That seems fairly simple and obvious to me.

A non-interfering hypothetical supernatural entity is virtually equivalent to a non-existing hypothetical supernatural entity.

[tantricia44]

davidf938~If God created Adam & Eve & Eve proved defective by sinning,Why didn't God just scrap Eve &Make the world right@that point?I work in a factory &we do exactly that.When a defective part is found,we scrap it& stop production until the problem is fixed.Surely a"perfect" God could manage this.

 :star:Typical male....if she doesn't produce a son, she's beheaded. If she the first born in the family the male younger brother get's the entire family inheritance. If he cheats on her, it's her fault for not satisfying him. If you're born a girl (in Asia), you'll be thrown into the river to parish!

First of all God created Lilith & Adam equally from the earth.Lilith get's kicked out & turned into a demon b/c she wouldn't obey, Adam. Why should she have too, they're equals in every way!Adam  :crybaby2:cries to god a/b Lilith causing her demise.

Adam then cries  :crybaby2:to god b/c he's lonely,after getting Lilith kicked out!(What a Jerk!)God creates eve but this time he uses Adam's rib to make eve.Which I think is totally wrong;god making adam's wife from his rib.I think that's called incest!Like marrying your own sister or 1st cousin but this is worst,creating your wife from yourself.Too scary!God must be gay,you see it in real time,&in the past!God favored Adam over the female.If god thought the female was not good enough,god should have just created more Adams to keep each other company.God's no different from a woman hater pig!Even today the Male is still king in many cultures.

Therefore, there is no god.If there was,it would be perfect;no need to remake & create eve b/c it would have been perfect from the start!  

[sigmapi1501]

Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve.  Mankind is 6,000 years old. Dinosaur bones are a hoax. God wants us to hate gays and only follow certain parts of the bible.

[falcon9]

Mankind is 6,000 years old. Dinosaur bones are a hoax. God wants us to hate gays and only follow certain parts of the bible.

"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
-- Albert Einstein

[gramev64]

God wanted Adam and Eve to have a choice, just like us, whether we want to walk in His way, or go our own way.  They unfortunately chose their way, and paid the ultimate price, having to leave the Garden of Eden and work for a living.

[falcon9]

God wanted Adam and Eve to have a choice, just like us, whether we want to walk in His way, or go our own way.  They unfortunately chose their way, and paid the ultimate price, having to leave the Garden of Eden and work for a living.

That constitutes unreasoned religious superstition; a fable, not a fact.  Much confusion seems to stem from an inability to discern the difference between the two.  Contextually, that's what the fable is about - discerning differences.