A God that knows the future but powerless to change it

[falcon9]

Falcon9,now you claimed to have read the bible.

Actually, I've "claimed" to have read several different versions of "the bible", (you do know there's more than one, right?).  This stemmed initially from apprenticing as a bookbinder by trade, (and years of journeyman tradecraft, through master bookbinder).  I also read the Reader's Digest, books on physics, metaphysics, strategy & tactics, philosophy, etc. while binding such books, (some of which came from private libraries, such as very old 'family bibles').

So if you did you would know it says Satan is mis-leading the entire world.

That's a religious belief I don't hold but, am aware of as far as being an unsupported claim.  I'm also aware of what constitutes religious proselytizing and strongly oppose it.
 

[jcribb16]

Give yourself some credibility, falcon9.  You know you dabble in "trolling" disrespectfully, in a couple of Christian threads, especially when it's Bible verses that have nothing to do with you, that's not got your name on the title calling you in there, and when you know you aren't coerced into going in them.  You deliberately come in there, "trolling" disrespectfully, and most everyone knows it.  You just don't want to have to admit it.  That's okay - we know it anyway.

[falcon9]

Give yourself some credibility, falcon9.  You know you dabble in "trolling" disrespectfully, in a couple of Christian threads ...

If that's your opinion, you misunderstand the meaning of the word, "trolling" as it applies to I N I T I A L L Y posting contentious threads/posts, (like bible quotes or other contentious religious opinions), and NOT to replies to them.  Unless one is trolling the trolling, (which, maybe I do and maybe I don't).  Trolling xtian trolling threads would nevertheless be a response to xtian trolling, not an initiation of a trolling/calling-out thread.

[jcribb16]

Give yourself some credibility, falcon9.  You know you dabble in "trolling" disrespectfully, in a couple of Christian threads ...

If that's your opinion, you misunderstand the meaning of the word, "trolling" as it applies to I N I T I A L L Y posting contentious threads/posts, (like bible quotes or other contentious religious opinions), and NOT to replies to them.  Unless one is trolling the trolling, (which, maybe I do and maybe I don't).  Trolling xtian trolling threads would nevertheless be a response to xtian trolling, not an initiation of a trolling/calling-out thread.

Those threads, "Bible verses," are NOT INITIALLY posting CONTENTIOUS comments.  They are NOT TROLLING THREADS.  Your OPINION that they are is just that:  YOUR OPINION.  YOUR OPINION does NOT make it FACT nor TRUE.  That would mean the Wiccan thread "YOU STARTED INITIALLY" would be initially posting "CONTENTIOUS" comments.  NO THREAD, when following the guidelines, is trolling, period.  If they were, they would be deleted and dealt with.  So just knock it off about which threads you think are trolling, especially when you are only singling out the Bible verse threads. Get past the hate of them and move on and grow up.

[falcon9]

Give yourself some credibility, falcon9.  You know you dabble in "trolling" disrespectfully, in a couple of Christian threads ...

If that's your opinion, you misunderstand the meaning of the word, "trolling" as it applies to I N I T I A L L Y posting contentious threads/posts, (like bible quotes or other contentious religious opinions), and NOT to replies to them.  Unless one is trolling the trolling, (which, maybe I do and maybe I don't).  Trolling xtian trolling threads would nevertheless be a response to xtian trolling, not an initiation of a trolling/calling-out thread.

Those threads, "Bible verses," are NOT INITIALLY posting CONTENTIOUS comments.  They are NOT TROLLING THREADS.  Your OPINION that they are is just that:  YOUR OPINION.  YOUR OPINION does NOT make it FACT nor TRUE.

While your opinion to the opposite effect does not make it a true fact either.  The difference is "opinions" is that one is based upon the "fact" that religious contentions/opinions are contentious.  Not everyone believes as others do, resulting in contention.

That would mean the Wiccan thread "YOU STARTED INITIALLY" would be initially posting "CONTENTIOUS" comments. 

If so, the posts within that thread would be contended.  So far, they have not been therefore, your "reasoning" is faulty and the thread is not trolling.

[jcribb16]

Give yourself some credibility, falcon9.  You know you dabble in "trolling" disrespectfully, in a couple of Christian threads ...

If that's your opinion, you misunderstand the meaning of the word, "trolling" as it applies to I N I T I A L L Y posting contentious threads/posts, (like bible quotes or other contentious religious opinions), and NOT to replies to them.  Unless one is trolling the trolling, (which, maybe I do and maybe I don't).  Trolling xtian trolling threads would nevertheless be a response to xtian trolling, not an initiation of a trolling/calling-out thread.

Those threads, "Bible verses," are NOT INITIALLY posting CONTENTIOUS comments.  They are NOT TROLLING THREADS.  Your OPINION that they are is just that:  YOUR OPINION.  YOUR OPINION does NOT make it FACT nor TRUE.

While your opinion to the opposite effect does not make it a true fact either.  The difference is "opinions" is that one is based upon the "fact" that religious contentions/opinions are contentious.  Not everyone believes as others do, resulting in contention.

That would mean the Wiccan thread "YOU STARTED INITIALLY" would be initially posting "CONTENTIOUS" comments. 

If so, the posts within that thread would be contended.  So far, they have not been therefore, your "reasoning" is faulty and the thread is not trolling.

Nothing is contentious unless you are perceiving it that way.  No one is forcing you to go in the threads.  No one is threatening you if you don't go into the threads.  It goes the same with any other thread in this forum.  You single the Christian ones out and it's very obvious.  That kind of gives vibes to some Christians of the "contention" coming from your posts aimed at them - the "contention" can be construed just from your posts alone.  And in one instance, construed as an "implied" threat because of the meaning of the quote.  That's a lot worse than a Christian just posting a Bible verse in a thread you don't even have to open and go into.

[Azanne07]

Jnjm....you have freedom of choice correct?When you see such posts you arent forced to read or view them.But you wanna bash them.I agree there are many different religeous views in the world.Satan wants to blind many.Anyway,what gives man the right to tell God how He should be served?

Exactly.  People are free to post threads of different topics in this forum.  No one is asking or forcing anyone else to read topics they don't like.  They can post their own topics of interests if they so choose - you know people will either like or not like them either.  Religion, for some, is not for them, and that's their choice.  Religion, for others, is for them, and that's their choice.  Posters are free to post and reply, within the guidelines. 

Telling Christians to not post or not discuss things of their interests is wrong.  Just as wrong as someone wanting to post another religion topic, and to be told they shouldn't or can't do it.  This forum is for everyone.  I'm not entering those that do not apply to me nor do I believe in.  Unless it's in the debate forum, and if I want to come in and discuss and debate, I will.  But, overall, I'm not telling others they can't post an original "certain type of thread" and then go in and bash them for thinking the way they do.  It's not right for me nor anyone else to disrespect like that.

but when you say something on here, you should expect to get comments and you arent always going to like what they other people have to say. just like the OP had every right to post what they wanted everyone who replies has the same right to post whatever they want. WHETHER YOU WANT TO HEAR IT OR NOT.

[Azanne07]

you all are very entertaining.

[falcon9]

Nothing is contentious unless you are perceiving it that way. 

I concur and apply that to your preceptions that contentious opposition is "rude", "disrespectful" or impolite simply to silence them.
 

No one is forcing you to go in the threads. 

Neither is anyone "forcing" you to read dissenting replies to any thread.  That's your choice.
 

No one is threatening you if you don't go into the threads.

No, someone is 'threatening' to "report" me if I continue posting dissenting opposition to xtian proselytizations, as if those remarks/threads are some private and exclusive xtian country club.
 

It goes the same with any other thread in this forum.  You single the Christian ones out and it's very obvious.  That kind of gives vibes to some Christians of the "contention" coming from your posts aimed at them -

"Vibes"?  Isn't that some new age hippy term, rather than a xtian one?  Regardless, someone else's alleged "vibes" cannot and should not deter others from the same freedom to post dissenting replies as those who initially post contentious subject matter.  In other words, don't anticipate the recoil; either shoot-off a post or, use the thoughtfully-provided 'ignore' function to avoid upsetting any delicate sensibilities, (rather than trying to censor others via 'guilt' or self-serving misapplications of the "golden rule").

[brum7814]

I tried building a tower of waffles once, and then it fell over.  So, I can relate to some bible stories.

[falcon9]

I tried building a tower of waffles once, and then it fell over.  So, I can relate to some bible stories.

Were they 'babbling' waffles?
 

[jenniferhoder]

I think that some things are harder for us to understand.
If you just leave your faith in God, he will lead the way. We don't have to understand WHY- that's his job!

[davidf938]

If God created Adam and Eve and Eve proved defective by sinning, Why didn't God just scrap Eve and Make the world right at that point? I work in a factory and we do exactly that. When a defective part is found, we scrap it and stop production until the problem is fixed. Surely a "perfect" God could manage this.

[hitch0403]

David,that is a valid question many have asked.I will try to answer that using the bible as my basis.Satan <serpent>made it sound like God was holding something back from A&E plus he lied.He told them they wouldnt die and they would be better off independent from Gods rulership.Rebellion in Eden.If Jehovah has destroyed them right away the rest of creation may have actually thought,'hey maybe we are better off deciding for ourselves what is good and what is bad.Time was needed to let this play off that rulership apart from Jehovahs standards wouldnt work.6000 years after Eden rebellion the scripture in Eccl looks even truer."Man has dominated himself to his own injury"Various governments have come and gone and NOT1 have worked.

Then go to book of Job and see also what claims Satan made to Jehovah,that the only reason man would serve him is for his life or for selfish reasons.Job proved Satan a liar.And Gods principle of balancing the scales of justice with his son Jesus dying.The perfect life Adam threw away Jesus bought it back with his perfect life as a ransom.

In this first part of this,if your neighbors said you were a poor father to your children would you go over there to settle the issue by beating them up or let time go by to show their claims were wrong by letting time go by to show them you took care of your family very well?

6000 years of man governing man has certainly proven by God letting man be independent of his rule and with Satan calling the shots <being allowed to>mans dying,selfish,greedy ways have only been too True.But this has only been going on 6 days with Gods timetable.Bible says 1000 of our yrs is a day to him cos he obviously is time....Jehovah had no beginning.He always was.

[hitch0403]

May i add here.Eve was deceived,Adam wsnt .But obviously Adam followed along cos he loved Eve and his heart was more towards the selfish reasons brought on by Satan.He started the human race on the wrong foot.If Adam didnt sin and Eve did it might have been interesting what Jehovah might have done then.No reason i guess to speculate because that didnt happen.

Cursed is the ground on your account God told Adam.When we see these calamities that happen it isnt God punishing us.True we dont have his protection and man certainly has polluted the earth to cause what i really hate...global warming among many.

Also the name Jehovah means."He causes to become"...his original purpose will be seen thru,for the earth to be populated by man under his rule.