Daily Bible Verse

[falcon9]

"There is a story, which is fairly well known, about when the missionaries came to Africa.  They had the bible and we, the natives, had the land.  They said "Let us pray," and we dutifully shut our eyes.  When we opened them, why, they now had the land and we had the bible." 
~Desmond M. Tutu, "Religious Human Rights and the Bible"

[jcribb16]

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
 
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
 
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
 
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
 
Matthew 11:27-30 King James Version Bible

[jcribb16]

1 Corinthians 10:13 

"No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it."

His strength is made perfect in our weaknesses, especially when facing troubles of different kinds.  I'm glad we can rest in His comfort and strength.

[falcon9]

"The fundamentalists, by 'knowing' the answers before they start, and then forcing nature into the straitjacket of
their discredited preconceptions, lie outside the domain of science --or any honest intellectual inquiry."
-- Stephen J. Gould

[jcribb16]

"The fundamentalists, by 'knowing' the answers before they start, and then forcing nature into the straitjacket of
their discredited preconceptions, lie outside the domain of science --or any honest intellectual inquiry."
-- Stephen J. Gould

I'm curious - would you transcribe this quote into your own words with what you think about this?  Thanks! 

[falcon9]

"The fundamentalists, by 'knowing' the answers before they start, and then forcing nature into the straitjacket of their discredited preconceptions, lie outside the domain of science --or any honest intellectual inquiry."
-- Stephen J. Gould

I'm curious - would you transcribe this quote into your own words with what you think about this?  Thanks! 

Why, is some part of Stephen's observation unclear?  The observation being that religious blind faith constitutes holding preconceived superstitious notions which tend to inhibit, ("straitjacket"), rational inquiry and logical reasoning.  This is perceived as a 'non-good' stance on several levels.

[jcribb16]

"The fundamentalists, by 'knowing' the answers before they start, and then forcing nature into the straitjacket of their discredited preconceptions, lie outside the domain of science --or any honest intellectual inquiry."
-- Stephen J. Gould

I'm curious - would you transcribe this quote into your own words with what you think about this?  Thanks! 

Why, is some part of Stephen's observation unclear?  The observation being that religious blind faith constitutes holding preconceived superstitious notions which tend to inhibit, ("straitjacket"), rational inquiry and logical reasoning.  This is perceived as a 'non-good' stance on several levels.

No, not unclear at all.  Just wanted to hear it in your words coming from your train of thought.  Thanks.  I agree it would look or seem that way to you or to others who dis-believe - no argument there. 

[falcon9]

"The fundamentalists, by 'knowing' the answers before they start, and then forcing nature into the straitjacket of their discredited preconceptions, lie outside the domain of science --or any honest intellectual inquiry."
-- Stephen J. Gould

I'm curious - would you transcribe this quote into your own words with what you think about this?  Thanks! 

Why, is some part of Stephen's observation unclear?  The observation being that religious blind faith constitutes holding preconceived superstitious notions which tend to inhibit, ("straitjacket"), rational inquiry and logical reasoning.  This is perceived as a 'non-good' stance on several levels.

No, not unclear at all.  Just wanted to hear it in your words coming from your train of thought.  Thanks.  I agree it would look or seem that way to you or to others who dis-believe - no argument there. 

No, it is that way when reasoning is applied and only "looks" like it's not that way when reasoning isn't applied to religious blind faith.

[tuscarorarain]

14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
 
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
 
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
 
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
 
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
 
from Acts ch 26 KJV Bible online

[falcon9]

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

[jcribb16]

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

Actually, it's called faith, and reading "God's Word." 

[falcon9]

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

Actually, it's called faith, and reading "God's Word." 

Actually, it's called "blind faith" because it isn't based upon *seeing* evidence; it stems directly from belief despite a complete lack of evidence.

[jcribb16]

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

Actually, it's called faith, and reading "God's Word." 

Actually, it's called "blind faith" because it isn't based upon *seeing* evidence; it stems directly from belief despite a complete lack of evidence.

If you want to call it "blind faith," that's your personal choice to do so. 

[falcon9]

If you want to call it "blind faith," that's your personal choice to do so. 

It's much, much more than simply my "choice"; it's an accurate description of religious faith without any substantive basis.  It isn't 'sighted-faith' because it relies upon an empty belief to support an empty faith and that's a circular/illogical rationale.  If "faith" or "belief" had a basis, it wouldn't be a self-referential circularity of irrationality.

[jcribb16]

If you want to call it "blind faith," that's your personal choice to do so. 

It's much, much more than simply my "choice"; it's an accurate description of religious faith without any substantive basis.  It isn't 'sighted-faith' because it relies upon an empty belief to support an empty faith and that's a circular/illogical rationale.  If "faith" or "belief" had a basis, it wouldn't be a self-referential circularity of irrationality.

Yes, an accurate description from your studies and feelings on the matter.  Yet, inaccurate for those who choose to be saved, by grace, through faith, and live by the choices they choose.  At least you can live your choices freely and others can live their choices freely.