Second Coming

[jcribb16]

Quote from: jcribb16 on June 13, 2012, 07:40:51 pm
"Superstitious goat-herders?"  Careful now, you are getting personal with calling names of believers.  There's no need for that.  

Back when the various chapters of the various versions of the bible were being cobbled-together, people were goat-herders and very superstitious so, that's not actually "name-calling" inasmuch as it's accurately-descriptive.


Quote from: jcribb16 on June 13, 2012, 07:40:51 pm:
"They are both amusing and sad attempts to mock and belittle believers, but to no avail.  But, many believers know you enjoy posting them anyway, so knock yourself out doing so."  

Quote from: falcon9:
The ad hominems presented in lieu of evidence to support such specious claims imply desparation.  Why be so concerned if nothing can be said to sway a blind faith?

I'm not concerned for me, and for a few others to try and be swayed from our faith in God.  It's newbie posters and/or newbie believers who come in wanting to share their beliefs, views (in the Religious Debate threads,) and/or Bible verses (in the Off Topic threads) that are knocked for a loop when you make your same ole, same ole comments ...

When you proselytizers/envangelists/bible-thumpers come up with xome new material, the responses may vary.  Why should others go out of their way to vary responses when what's being responded to remains monotously the same?
 

 Some do not know how to take that kind of sarcasm and "beating" and it's unfair when they feel cautious about entering any religious thread, because they learn you are waiting for someone to comment so you can pounce.  It's unfair it's done to a point that many leave FC because they feel mocked and belittled when they just wanted to post like everyone else to earn a bonus.

Well, that's life.  Since FC is neither some exclusive xtian or non-believer 'countryclub', (nor a place for unchallenged religious pronouncements, evangelizing/proselytizing/bible-thumping), it remains optional for members to read or post on the forums.

There are many other threads they can post in, this is true, but when their lives are centered around God, and they want to share with other believers, those are the type threads they automatically gravitate to.

That's nice.  So, when someone else does not share such superstitious beliefs and posts in challenge/opposition/refutation, that's not okay because it's a one-way street to religious fundamentalists?  Pfft.

Little do they know what's waiting for them - that's the concern I'm speaking of.   Debate threads on religion are different - enter at your own risk, I agree.

It remains the option of new and old members alike to read a forum's threads before just jumping right in with specious nonsense.  Especially in the d+d subforum of Off Topic.
 

Bible verse threads in Off Topic are not enter at your own risk and posters shouldn't have to feel cautious to enter those or avoid the very ones they would enjoy posting in.

Off topic threads do occasionally get moved by the FC moderators to the Debate & Discuss subforum of teh Off Topic forum.  This should be a large hint that d+d is connected to Off Topic by way of being a subforum of that forum. "Off topic" means that forum is a catch-all for anything not applicable to other topic-specific forums, (although those are often 'spammed' by completley out of context religious remarks).  The Off Topic forum is not some sort of sanctuary or, 'safe haven' for xtian bible-thumpers/evangelists/proselytizers.  Anyone who wishes to post in these forums may do so within the FC TOS and posting policies, (not some arbitrary xtian-strictures).
                    

And folks, there we have it.  You seem to totally disrespect the whole idea of respect of others when it comes to anything religious.  Debate and Discuss is one thing, but to continually disrespect simple Bible verse threads/posters, is not following TOS, no matter how you cut it.  Those who don't believe in the scripture, and come in there, just to turn the thread upside down, being mean-spirited and mocking, are doing it for just those reasons.  They can't stand the idea that Christians or believers are sharing something about God and will do anything to break that up.  You, for one, have no respect for the scriptures, yet deliberately bait and mock others who do.  You insert yourself into sharing of scriptures you have no idea of knowing about.  Christians are warned of things like this.  So, when you do come in some threads doing what you do, because you have the "right to be disrespectful," then anyone else will have that same right to give right back to you what you dish out, in standing up for their beliefs and for showing your ignorance and disrespect towards Christians and believers.

[falcon9]

And folks, there we have it.

What, you're obvious inability to comprehend the replies to your assumptions that such bible-thumping/evangelism/proselytizing should get a 'free pass' and go unchallenged simply because you deem such challenges to be "disrespectful"?  What happens when others deem such proselytizings as 'disrespectful' to non-believers, (or, to the believers of other faiths)?  Such one-wayism are disrepectful affronts to reason.
  

You seem to totally disrespect the whole idea of respect of others when it comes to anything religious.

This is the debate & discuss subforum; you already know it's an "enter at your own risk" venue and yet, keep playing that same song, (as if one can demand respect, rather than earn it).
 

Debate and Discuss is one thing, but to continually disrespect simple Bible verse threads/posters, is not following TOS, no matter how you cut it.

That's for an FC moderator to decide, not you or I.  We can both 'interpret' the Terms of Service in this regard but, any final arbitration is FC's.  You happen to be the second one today to 'threaten' me with such without a clear violation of the FC TOS, (beyond your biased interpretation of the "Golden Rule" policy).

You, for one, have no respect for the scriptures, yet deliberately bait and mock others who do.

However you choose to characterize challenges to blind faith is up to you.  So too is it your choice not to meet such challenges by tossing-up these appeals to respect in lieu of addressing the matter of "faith" being a belief which lacks supporting evidence.
 

So, when you do come in some threads doing what you do, because you have the "right to be disrespectful," then anyone else will have that same right to give right back to you what you dish out, in standing up for their beliefs and for showing your ignorance and disrespect towards Christians and believers.

What are you going to do, 'disrepect' the ability to reason?  Perhaps you mean to 'mock' rationality or, deride critical thinking skills?  Carry on, that would be ironically-amusing.

[jcribb16]

When it comes to Christians, you already "disrespect" their ability to reason, by mocking their reasoning because they do believe in God.  You already "mock" their rationality by trying to make them appear irrational because they believe in God.  You already "deride" their critical thinking skills by trying to make them appear foolish and unable to think outside of their "God" choice in life.  I'm not impressed with your goading of me or others with respect to Christianity or our belief in God.  You are the one making yourself look ridiculous with your little quotes and pictures and disrespect of peoples' choice of believing in God.  It's not your business anyway, when you get down to it - in real life, everyone makes their choices, and you are just a "poster" on the other side of the screen trying to make Christians look unreasonable, irrational, and unable to think critically.  We are technically all "posters" on the other side of the screen.  But respect is a key word with any debate, no matter what the discussion is, and that is something you sorely lack with Christians - that's really sad you seem to dislike the idea of Christianity so much that you feel you must continually bash Christians regarding their God, beliefs, and their Bible. 

[falcon9]

When it comes to Christians, you already "disrespect" their ability to reason, by mocking their reasoning because they do believe in God.

How can something which hasn't been applied to such a belief be mocked? Instead, my challenges have been to the opposite; a distinct lack of reasoning applied to such religious beliefs.

You already "mock" their rationality by trying to make them appear irrational because they believe in God. 

Again, how can something which hasn't been applied to such a belief be mocked? Are you actually implicitly suggesting that such a belief is rational?  Please explain how such "faith", (which means a "belief" in that which lacks substantive evidence), is either not irrational or, is somehow rational.

You already "deride" their critical thinking skills by trying to make them appear foolish and unable to think outside of their "God" choice in life. 

Are you deriding my standard policy to challenge any blind faith, (whether it's in a religious or, secular concept)?  That seems a bit 'disrespectful', if so.

... trying to make Christians look unreasonable, irrational, and unable to think critically.  

I can assure you that such does not take as much effort as implied due to the assistance of such xtian proselytizers as yourself.  I'd thank you for that but, that would be disingenuous of me.

[Abrupt]

When it comes to Christians, you already "disrespect" their ability to reason, by mocking their reasoning because they do believe in God.  You already "mock" their rationality by trying to make them appear irrational because they believe in God.  You already "deride" their critical thinking skills by trying to make them appear foolish and unable to think outside of their "God" choice in life.  I'm not impressed with your goading of me or others with respect to Christianity or our belief in God.  You are the one making yourself look ridiculous with your little quotes and pictures and disrespect of peoples' choice of believing in God.  It's not your business anyway, when you get down to it - in real life, everyone makes their choices, and you are just a "poster" on the other side of the screen trying to make Christians look unreasonable, irrational, and unable to think critically.  We are technically all "posters" on the other side of the screen.  But respect is a key word with any debate, no matter what the discussion is, and that is something you sorely lack with Christians - that's really sad you seem to dislike the idea of Christianity so much that you feel you must continually bash Christians regarding their God, beliefs, and their Bible. 

I agree with you and sometimes wonder if he is as blind to what he says as it appears, or is he simply trolling.

[falcon9]

I agree with you and sometimes wonder if he is as blind to what he says as it appears, or is he simply trolling.

While it's unsurprising for one xtian to agree with another, (what's actually somewhat more surprising is when they don't agree - and not in the "how-many-angels-can-dance-upon-pinheads" sense), I'm not the one blinded by religious "faith" here.  As for "trolling", your manifest penchant for accusing others of what you do has been long-apparent.  Characterizing the presentation of opposing viewpoints as "trolling" is, ironically, an over-used tactic of those who've lost debates but, are loath to admit it.  Seriously, your enlarged ego won't implode if you did admit it.  My normal-sized "ego" hasn't imploded yet from admitting where I was in error or, 'lost' a debate.  Unfortunately for you, I haven't 'lost' one yet on these forums, (an event no doubt greatly anticipated by some).

[jcribb16]

When it comes to Christians, you already "disrespect" their ability to reason, by mocking their reasoning because they do believe in God.  You already "mock" their rationality by trying to make them appear irrational because they believe in God.  You already "deride" their critical thinking skills by trying to make them appear foolish and unable to think outside of their "God" choice in life.  I'm not impressed with your goading of me or others with respect to Christianity or our belief in God.  You are the one making yourself look ridiculous with your little quotes and pictures and disrespect of peoples' choice of believing in God.  It's not your business anyway, when you get down to it - in real life, everyone makes their choices, and you are just a "poster" on the other side of the screen trying to make Christians look unreasonable, irrational, and unable to think critically.  We are technically all "posters" on the other side of the screen.  But respect is a key word with any debate, no matter what the discussion is, and that is something you sorely lack with Christians - that's really sad you seem to dislike the idea of Christianity so much that you feel you must continually bash Christians regarding their God, beliefs, and their Bible. 

I agree with you and sometimes wonder if he is as blind to what he says as it appears, or is he simply trolling.

All I know is that some posters have had enough of this mocking and belittling of Christians with regards to their belief in God, thinking that some Christians are going to just sit back and take it.  Forget the "ignore" button.  Christians aren't cowards and are not going to hide behind an "ignore" button.  Disrespect towards Christians is going overboard in here.

 There are others who will actually discuss and debate, with both sides giving views, challenging views, and offering rebuttals, and asking questions.  However, outside of those others, Christians are consistently being "labeled" names that are wrong, unfair, and plain disrespectful.  Trolling seems possible; bullying is a term someone used also.  Both are not nice and break the rules of respect to others in here.  

Thanks for your response.

[Abrupt]

I agree with you and sometimes wonder if he is as blind to what he says as it appears, or is he simply trolling.

While it's unsurprising for one xtian to agree with another, (what's actually somewhat more surprising is when they don't agree - and not in the "how-many-angels-can-dance-upon-pinheads" sense), I'm not the one blinded by religious "faith" here.  As for "trolling", your manifest penchant for accusing others of what you do has been long-apparent.  Characterizing the presentation of opposing viewpoints as "trolling" is, ironically, an over-used tactic of those who've lost debates but, are loath to admit it.  Seriously, your enlarged ego won't implode if you did admit it.  My normal-sized "ego" hasn't imploded yet from admitting where I was in error or, 'lost' a debate.  Unfortunately for you, I haven't 'lost' one yet on these forums, (an event no doubt greatly anticipated by some).

Again you accuse me of exactly what you do and suggest that it is me that falsely accuses you of this.  Such would be unbelievable if I didn't see it here.  My ego?  I will have you know that I have learned the lessons of pride a long, long time ago and that I don't hold myself to this high regard as you imagine (and do you even understand why you see it in the way you describe?  I do -- it is because that is your internal considerations towards yourself and your confusion regarding how is it that I continue to best you and make you look foolish.  What you don't seem to have considered at all is that it isn't me making you look foolish -- it is you.  It isn't my ego that is inflated, it is yours that has felt itself deflated.  How do I know this?  It is quite simple as it is revealed oh so clearly in the particular choice of words and arrangement that you made here.)

[Abrupt]

All I know is that some posters have had enough of this mocking and belittling of Christians with regards to their belief in God, thinking that some Christians are going to just sit back and take it.  Forget the "ignore" button.  Christians aren't cowards and are not going to hide behind an "ignore" button.  Disrespect towards Christians is going overboard in here.

 There are others who will actually discuss and debate, with both sides giving views, challenging views, and offering rebuttals, and asking questions.  However, outside of those others, Christians are consistently being "labeled" names that are wrong, unfair, and plain disrespectful.  Trolling seems possible; bullying is a term someone used also.  Both are not nice and break the rules of respect to others in here.  

Thanks for your response.

I am like you in that his actions will not force me away and will only anchor me to stand my ground -- and even to counter in kind.  I don't know what the Christian thing to do in such cases is, but even though I am a Christian, I was never a very good Christian (as much as I desire to be).  If it were just face to face I would ignore him, but here if he is left unchecked he will continue to lambast Christianity and spread his false message of lies throughout these forums.  I feel, as I think you do, that it is our Christian duty to meet such challenges.

You are most welcome, I read many posts of others but it isn't often that I offer support in response in such debates as sometimes that seems to take away from the debate and make it appear as if the one being debated is being beaten up on.  Your message was also spot on, I feel, and so such warranted a response in recognition of that if only to show agreement.

[falcon9]

Again you accuse me of exactly what you do and suggest that it is me that falsely accuses you of this.  Such would be unbelievable if I didn't see it here. 

Your accusations as false and I'll get around to demonstrating on my schedule, not yours, should I decide it's worth the effort when you already
'pre-rejected' the evidence.
 

My ego?  I will have you know that I have learned the lessons of pride a long, long time ago and that I don't hold myself to this high regard as you imagine ...

Now, pay closer attention to what you've posted below, (should you edit it out, I'll restore it as an intact direct quote):

... and your confusion regarding how is it that I continue to best you and make you look foolish.

Alright, now in contextually-juxtaposition your two assertions above, we get this:
"My ego? I don't hold myself to this high regard as you imagine" and this "I continue to best you and make you look foolish." 

These contradictory quoted assertions of yours are not taken out of context, misquoted, or altered/twisted by elipses.  They're your mutually-exclusive claims.  Apparently, logic is not your forte.  Personally, I wouldn't let you dust-off my computer, let alone write code which relies upon computer-logic.

[falcon9]

I am like you in that his actions will not force me away and will only anchor me to stand my ground -- and even to counter in kind.

The use of irrationality/illogic to counter teh logic and rationality I've presented is hardly countering 'in kind", (although it is countering using the diametric opposite). 

If it were just face to face I would ignore him ...

Do you mean, as opposed to simply "talking about" someone you'd be ignoring in person?  That constitutes "ignoring" in your rationale?

... but here if he is left unchecked he will continue to lambast Christianity ...

"Unchecked", huh?  It remains that "faith" is a belief in something for which there is no substantive evidence.  Check that.
 

... and spread his false message of lies throughout these forums.

What "false message of lies" would that be?  That critical thinking skills are productive?  That the use of reasoning is anthema to those hloding blind faith?  You need to specify which false accusations you're making before you eat your own words again.
 

I feel, as I think you do, that it is our Christian duty to meet such challenges.

Yet, such challenges as have been made have previously not been well-met.  Although some attempts to do so are extant, none have thusfar met the burden of proof obligation in a debate for making initial claims.

I read many posts of others but it isn't often that I offer support in response in such debates as sometimes that seems to take away from the debate and make it appear as if the one being debated is being beaten up on.

Since there has been little to no response to the content of what I've posted in reply, (other than tangential diversions from that content), it can be extrapolated that your post in agreement is a metaphorical 'circling of the xtian wagons' in some pserception of an "injun raid".

[SherylsShado]

falcon9---
    your posts on this page have me so confused 
    would you mind "dumbing it down for me"...

    are you trying to say that "FC" site DOESN'T mean site "For Christians" ONLY?      

[falcon9]

falcon9---
    your posts on this page have me so confused 
    would you mind "dumbing it down for me"...

    are you trying to say that "FC" site DOESN'T mean site "For Christians" ONLY?      

LOL!
I suppose it could be an abbreviation for "Fantasy Concepts" or, "Failed Challenges", or even "Fundie Christians" however, I somehow doubt that.
 

[SherylsShado]

falcon9---
    your posts on this page have me so confused 
    would you mind "dumbing it down for me"...

    are you trying to say that "FC" site DOESN'T mean site "For Christians" ONLY?      

LOL!
I suppose it could be an abbreviation for "Fantasy Concepts" or, "Failed Challenges", or even "Fundie Christians" however, I somehow doubt that.
 

I can hear the keyboards clicking right now as multitudes of questions are being submitted to Admin asking what FC really stands for...

[alaric99x]

When it comes to Christians, you already "disrespect" their ability to reason, by mocking their reasoning because they do believe in God.  You already "mock" their rationality by trying to make them appear irrational because they believe in God.  You already "deride" their critical thinking skills by trying to make them appear foolish and unable to think outside of their "God" choice in life.  I'm not impressed with your goading of me or others with respect to Christianity or our belief in God.  You are the one making yourself look ridiculous with your little quotes and pictures and disrespect of peoples' choice of believing in God.  It's not your business anyway, when you get down to it - in real life, everyone makes their choices, and you are just a "poster" on the other side of the screen trying to make Christians look unreasonable, irrational, and unable to think critically.  We are technically all "posters" on the other side of the screen.  But respect is a key word with any debate, no matter what the discussion is, and that is something you sorely lack with Christians - that's really sad you seem to dislike the idea of Christianity so much that you feel you must continually bash Christians regarding their God, beliefs, and their Bible. 

I disrespect your ability to reason, you have a pathetically limited ability to reason if you believe the nonsensical stories in some ancient writings that you base your life upon.  I don't know what I can say to you people, your confused reasoning far exceeds my abilities at any explanation and clarification.  It's kind of similar to trying to convince my kids that Santa Clause doesn't exist, or that the Easter Bunny didn't lay those eggs, it would destroy their illusions and they wouldn't have been old enough to understand the actual truths of facts and this wordly existence.

So, for the rest of you who still believe in the one remaining godly myth, I'll either wait for you to grow up too, or not ever, and then we'll talk about your childish fantasies, or not.