Second Coming

[albefish]

Yes, it will happen in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.

[falcon9]

I would like to be on earth when the Lord comes back for the church.  

There is no evidence to support such specious beliefs.  Why are they being proselytized?

"When faith becomes blind it dies.”
-- Mahatma Gandhi

[HuffmanFamilyof4]

anyone that believes that crap is brain washed. if there really was a god or jesus or even a christ. then why does bad things keep happening to good people and good things happening to Bad people. I keep hearing it's gods way..buy that is B.S. sorry but no such person, place or thing. I've been to hell and back(HELL,Mi.) and even in heaven with my wife,you'll never be able to prove it any other way. the BIBLE is written by Man and church is there for the owner to be paid for giving you a brain wash. that's all I have to say on that matter

[jcribb16]

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, thoughts, and opinions.  Thank the Lord for that. 

[falcon9]

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, thoughts, and opinions.  Thank the Lord for that. 

The attribution is an assumed one, based upon no evidence.

"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.
Scriptures, n. The sacred books of 'our holy religion', as distinguished from the false and profane writings on which
all other faiths are based."
-- Ambrose Bierce

[Falconer02]

"If I didn't know about your god and what he deems bad, would I go to hell?"
"No, not if you did not know."
"Then why did you tell me?"

[falcon9]

"If I didn't know about your god and what he deems bad, would I go to hell?"
"No, not if you did not know."
"Then why did you tell me?"

It must be due to that, (false), inherent assumption the proselytizers make about their g-d's rules retroactively applying to people who never heard of that egregore, (especially before two millenia ago), as well as post hoc unawareness.  Such inherent assumptions as religious adherents make would be sanctimonious, (whether they were previously aware of this or not), under similar 'assumptions'.

[gaylasue]

I don't want to miss the rapture for anything on this earth!  I'm praying the Lord will let me be a part of it first hand, but if that isn't His will and I pass on first, I will get to come out of the grave before the living that will be called to Glory in the rapture.

[falcon9]

I don't want to miss the rapture for anything on this earth!  I'm praying the Lord will let me be a part of it first hand, but if that isn't His will and I pass on first, I will get to come out of the grave before the living that will be called to Glory in the rapture.

No worries; there's no evidence to support such specious beliefs.  Although the rising out of the grave zombie apocalypse thing reminds one that the Walking Dead season premiere will begin before an equally fictional "rapture".

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes."
-- Gene Roddenberry

[jcribb16]

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, thoughts, and opinions.  Thank the Lord for that. 

The attribution is an assumed one, based upon no evidence.

"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.
Scriptures, n. The sacred books of 'our holy religion', as distinguished from the false and profane writings on which
all other faiths are based."
-- Ambrose Bierce

Feel better with those nonsense responses?   Some choose to deny evidence because they know they would then have to acknowledge there is a God.  If there is God, then they would come under conviction, and to many, that is just unacceptable.  Those quotes don't do a thing to try and convince believers that their God is not real.  They are both amusing and sad attempts to mock and belittle believers, but to no avail.  But, many believers know you enjoy posting them anyway, so knock yourself out doing so. 

[anitaraemillspalmer]

I don't want to miss the rapture for anything on this earth!  I'm praying the Lord will let me be a part of it first hand, but if that isn't His will and I pass on first, I will get to come out of the grave before the living that will be called to Glory in the rapture.

No worries; there's no evidence to support such specious beliefs.  Although the rising out of the grave zombie apocalypse thing reminds one that the Walking Dead season premiere will begin before an equally fictional "rapture".

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes."
-- Gene Roddenberry

My thoughts and beliefs...no one will know when the second coming is going to happen. The bible is a guide that tells us what to look for when the end of days are close.  I believe whole heartedly in God and his son Jesus...Jesus gave his life so our sins may be forgiven...Please folks don't take this for granted.  Don't gamble away your salvation.  Say you bet on there is no God, no Devil...no Heaven...no Hell...and that ends up being false...  then you are going to HELL, where as, if you believe  and there is a Heaven, just think of the glory you will experience in Heaven. God Bless 

[Falconer02]

Some choose to deny evidence because they know they would then have to acknowledge there is a God.

Quite the contrary seeing how atheism is built upon the fact that there isn't a logical argument for a defined deity. We would have no quarrel in saying "Okay, there is a god/goddess/gods. We were wrong." if there was overwhelming evidence that could surpass kid-like skepticism. However, even if this specific defined god did exist, most people who value morality and logic would refuse to worship an imperfect and evil deity. Ninkasi however would be a completely acceptable goddess to worship if she randomly appeared one day!  

Say you bet on there is no God, no Devil...no Heaven...no Hell...and that ends up being false...   then you are going to HELL, where as, if you believe   and there is a Heaven, just think of the glory you will experience in Heaven.

This argument you introduce is known as "Pascal's Wager", and the major problem with this reasoning is it does not take into account the other major/minor religions throughout the world that sit on the exact scale as your own. The major fault in this reasoning is in order to "play it safe", one would have to be involved in practicing several or all religions.

[falcon9]

Feel better with those nonsense responses? 

What's 'nonsensical' is the complete failure of some to realize that "faith" = a belief for which there is no evidence.  Emphasizing that fact is not "nonsence" and suggesting that it is is irrational.

Some choose to deny evidence because they know they would then have to acknowledge there is a God. 

What exact and incontrovertible evidence are you referring to?

If there is God, then they would come under conviction, and to many, that is just unacceptable. 

"If" means that some possibility or probability exists for the hypothesis.  The remark begs the question; 'what if there is no g-d, would that be as "unacceptable" to the true believers who'd have to come to terms with putting faith into a self-delusion?'

Those quotes don't do a thing to try and convince believers that their God is not real. 

Neither do repetitious biblical quotes written by superstitious goat-herders do anything whatsoever to convince rational non-believers that an alleged 'g-d' is "real", (sans any valid evidence).

They are both amusing and sad attempts to mock and belittle believers, but to no avail.  But, many believers know you enjoy posting them anyway, so knock yourself out doing so.  [/color]

The ad hominems presented in lieu of evidence to support such specious claims imply desparation.  Why be so concerned if nothing can be said to sway a blind faith?

“The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.”
-- Richard Dawkins

[jcribb16]

Quote from: jcribb16 on June 13, 2012, 07:40:51 pm
Those quotes don't do a thing to try and convince believers that their God is not real.

Quote from: falcon9:
Neither do repetitious biblical quotes written by superstitious goat-herders do anything whatsoever to convince rational non-believers that an alleged 'g-d' is "real", (sans any valid evidence).

"Superstitious goat-herders?"  Careful now, you are getting personal with calling names of believers.  There's no need for that. 


Quote from: jcribb16 on June 13, 2012, 07:40:51 pm
They are both amusing and sad attempts to mock and belittle believers, but to no avail.  But, many believers know you enjoy posting them anyway, so knock yourself out doing so. 

Quote from: falcon9:
The ad hominems presented in lieu of evidence to support such specious claims imply desparation.  Why be so concerned if nothing can be said to sway a blind faith?

I'm not concerned for me, and for a few others to try and be swayed from our faith in God.  It's newbie posters and/or newbie believers who come in wanting to share their beliefs, views (in the Religious Debate threads,) and/or Bible verses (in the Off Topic threads) that are knocked for a loop when you make your same ole, same ole comments with your fancy big words, mocking and belittling their every remark or verses.  Some do not know how to take that kind of sarcasm and "beating" and it's unfair when they feel cautious about entering any religious thread, because they learn you are waiting for someone to comment so you can pounce.  It's unfair it's done to a point that many leave FC because they feel mocked and belittled when they just wanted to post like everyone else to earn a bonus. 

There are many other threads they can post in, this is true, but when their lives are centered around God, and they want to share with other believers, those are the type threads they automatically gravitate to.  Little do they know what's waiting for them - that's the concern I'm speaking of.   Debate threads on religion are different - enter at your own risk, I agree.  Bible verse threads in Off Topic are not enter at your own risk and posters shouldn't have to feel cautious to enter those or avoid the very ones they would enjoy posting in. 

[falcon9]

Quote from: jcribb16 on June 13, 2012, 07:40:51 pm
"Superstitious goat-herders?"  Careful now, you are getting personal with calling names of believers.  There's no need for that.  

Back when the various chapters of the various versions of the bible were being cobbled-together, people were goat-herders and very superstitious so, that's not actually "name-calling" inasmuch as it's accurately-descriptive.


Quote from: jcribb16 on June 13, 2012, 07:40:51 pm:
"They are both amusing and sad attempts to mock and belittle believers, but to no avail.  But, many believers know you enjoy posting them anyway, so knock yourself out doing so."  

Quote from: falcon9:
The ad hominems presented in lieu of evidence to support such specious claims imply desparation.  Why be so concerned if nothing can be said to sway a blind faith?

I'm not concerned for me, and for a few others to try and be swayed from our faith in God.  It's newbie posters and/or newbie believers who come in wanting to share their beliefs, views (in the Religious Debate threads,) and/or Bible verses (in the Off Topic threads) that are knocked for a loop when you make your same ole, same ole comments ...

When you proselytizers/envangelists/bible-thumpers come up with xome new material, the responses may vary.  Why should others go out of their way to vary responses when what's being responded to remains monotously the same?
 

 Some do not know how to take that kind of sarcasm and "beating" and it's unfair when they feel cautious about entering any religious thread, because they learn you are waiting for someone to comment so you can pounce.  It's unfair it's done to a point that many leave FC because they feel mocked and belittled when they just wanted to post like everyone else to earn a bonus.

Well, that's life.  Since FC is neither some exclusive xtian or non-believer 'countryclub', (nor a place for unchallenged religious pronouncements, evangelizing/proselytizing/bible-thumping), it remains optional for members to read or post on the forums.

There are many other threads they can post in, this is true, but when their lives are centered around God, and they want to share with other believers, those are the type threads they automatically gravitate to.

That's nice.  So, when someone else does not share such superstitious beliefs and posts in challenge/opposition/refutation, that's not okay because it's a one-way street to religious fundamentalists?  Pfft.

Little do they know what's waiting for them - that's the concern I'm speaking of.   Debate threads on religion are different - enter at your own risk, I agree.

It remains the option of new and old members alike to read a forum's threads before just jumping right in with specious nonsense.  Especially in the d+d subforum of Off Topic.
 

Bible verse threads in Off Topic are not enter at your own risk and posters shouldn't have to feel cautious to enter those or avoid the very ones they would enjoy posting in.

Off topic threads do occasionally get moved by the FC moderators to the Debate & Discuss subforum of teh Off Topic forum.  This should be a large hint that d+d is connected to Off Topic by way of being a subforum of that forum. "Off topic" means that forum is a catch-all for anything not applicable to other topic-specific forums, (although those are often 'spammed' by completley out of context religious remarks).  The Off Topic forum is not some sort of sanctuary or, 'safe haven' for xtian bible-thumpers/evangelists/proselytizers.  Anyone who wishes to post in these forums may do so within the FC TOS and posting policies, (not some arbitrary xtian-strictures).