Second Coming

[jcribb16]

1 Peter 1:7  "That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:"

Mark 13:32  "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

Ok, I can understand people wanting to quote scripture, but when you put something that makes people go, What?, I think you need to rethink which scripture you are putting or at least put the verse before it to help it make sense.  Geez, this is just like the billboard that is on the way out of my town.  A Baptist groups puts scripture verses on it, but there are times when it just doesn't make sense because the whole thing isn't there.

The title of the thread is "The Second Coming."  That's when Jesus Christ will return and all Christians, living and dead, will go with Him to spend eternity with God in Heaven. 

The first verse I listed speaks of Christians' faith and how many will mock, make fun of, cut down, and disrespect them because they do not believe in God or choose to believe there is no God.  The verse is saying that through all of that, and remaining faithful to Christ until He comes again, means that you will be gloriously rewarded with eternity in Heaven.

The second verse I listed indicates that no one, none of us, not the angels, not even the Son (Jesus) will know when God the Father will send Jesus to return again. 

I'm glad you said something about that.  It does seem confusing at times to just show the verses, without explaining what they mean within the context of the subject at hand.  I, for one, should know to explain them and not just post them, and for that I do apologize.  If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. 

[jcribb16]

Ok, I can understand people wanting to quote scripture, but when you put something that makes people go, What?, I think you need to rethink which scripture you are putting or at least put the verse before it to help it make sense.  Geez, this is just like the billboard that is on the way out of my town.  A Baptist groups puts scripture verses on it, but there are times when it just doesn't make sense because the whole thing isn't there.

That's because such constitutes simply proselytizing religious beliefs, (e.g., sales pitch).  One does not have to 'buy' the "snakeoil" being 'sold'.

Please be respectful with your answer.  That is a sarcastic answer to a very good question.  You are giving your personal bias/slant with that, not to mention the question was directed to me.  You don't quote Bible verses, so you would not be one who would care to answer according to the context of that question.

[falcon9]

Well put falcon.  Kudos!

Thanks, Barb.  You'll note that a further response to your post was taken to be another opportunity to proselytize by the respondant, (instead of acknowledging the "snakeoil" for the proselytization that it is). Doubtless the 'complaint' about being "mocked for having faith" is intended to be a plea of 'victimization' for holding specious beliefs based upon "faith", (which is that for which there is no tangible evidence).

 

[jcribb16]

Well put falcon.  Kudos!

Thanks, Barb.  You'll note that a further response to your post was taken to be another opportunity to proselytize by the respondant, (instead of acknowledging the "snakeoil" for the proselytization that it is). Doubtless the 'complaint' about being "mocked for having faith" is intended to be a plea of 'victimization' for holding specious beliefs based upon "faith", (which is that for which there is no tangible evidence).

 

No it was NOT.  Please STOP being so RUDE.  This is absolutely rude and condescending.  No one is treating you this way with your "rejection" of God.  It is YOUR choice not to believe just as it is MY choice to believe. 

[barbme1972]

No it was NOT.  Please STOP being so RUDE.  This is absolutely rude and condescending.  No one is treating you this way with your "rejection" of God.  It is YOUR choice not to believe just as it is MY choice to believe.[/color] 

I am not trying to make excuses for falcon.  But I just want to give you a little advice.  Don't take what he says personally.  He has even rubbed me the wrong way a couple of times, it is just how he is.  So most of what he says I just let it roll of my back unless it is a direct attack to my person and not my beliefs.  Falcon likes conflict, discussions and debates...especially when it comes to God.  So just keep to debates with him and you will do fine. Or just move on from what he has said.  Either way you will feel much better in the end.   

[falcon9]

Well put falcon.  Kudos!

Thanks, Barb.  You'll note that a further response to your post was taken to be another opportunity to proselytize by the respondant, (instead of acknowledging the "snakeoil" for the proselytization that it is). Doubtless the 'complaint' about being "mocked for having faith" is intended to be a plea of 'victimization' for holding specious beliefs based upon "faith", (which is that for which there is no tangible evidence).

No it was NOT.  Please STOP being so RUDE.  This is absolutely rude and condescending. 

Your additional proselytizing in response to "Barb" is right there, down-thread in message ID# 558182

No one is treating you this way with your "rejection" of God.  It is YOUR choice not to believe just as it is MY choice to believe. 

Have you ever seen a post from me specifically 'proselytizing' a "rejection of g-d"?  Do you know why you haven't?  It's because critical thinking skills aren't as easy to propagandize as specious religious beliefs.  One can either develop such capabilities which have pragmatic applications or, eschew them for impractical "faith", (which has no evidentiary basis).  That's the choice involved here.

[falcon9]

Ok, I can understand people wanting to quote scripture, but when you put something that makes people go, What?, I think you need to rethink which scripture you are putting or at least put the verse before it to help it make sense.  Geez, this is just like the billboard that is on the way out of my town.  A Baptist groups puts scripture verses on it, but there are times when it just doesn't make sense because the whole thing isn't there.

That's because such constitutes simply proselytizing religious beliefs, (e.g., sales pitch).  One does not have to 'buy' the "snakeoil" being 'sold'.

Please be respectful with your answer.  That is a sarcastic answer to a very good question. 

That was a pragmatic reply to an essentially rhetorical question; 'why are xtians tossing random bible-thumping quotes out?'
 

You are giving your personal bias/slant with that, not to mention the question was directed to me. 

I was and am replying to a post in a thread - just like anyone else can, (no matter 'who' it's directed to).  That reply constituted the result of rationally determining that religious proselytizing is the direct equivalent of the colloqiaalism, "selling snakeoil" under the meaning of that phrase.
 

You don't quote Bible verses, so you would not be one who would care to answer according to the context of that question.

Actually, I have done so recently, (in regards to the word "falcon" in the specious religious texts being thumped).

[jcribb16]

No it was NOT.  Please STOP being so RUDE.  This is absolutely rude and condescending.  No one is treating you this way with your "rejection" of God.  It is YOUR choice not to believe just as it is MY choice to believe.[/color] 

I am not trying to make excuses for falcon.  But I just want to give you a little advice.  Don't take what he says personally.  He has even rubbed me the wrong way a couple of times, it is just how he is.  So most of what he says I just let it roll of my back unless it is a direct attack to my person and not my beliefs.  Falcon likes conflict, discussions and debates...especially when it comes to God.  So just keep to debates with him and you will do fine. Or just move on from what he has said.  Either way you will feel much better in the end.   

Thank you for your advice.  I don't particularly take it personally from him.  I am vocalizing how I feel about what he does to Christians who post their favorite verses in a Bible thread.  Some of them do not know how to take his disparaging and deliberate cut down remarks; some are new believers and have no idea why he is speaking so disrespectfully to them for simply sharing in a forum, in a thread that appeals to them. 

They are trying to earn their bonus like others, and some are provoked.  That's not fair being able to post in a forum about things they like, in this case, Bible verses, just to be stomped on when they do.  That's not fun, either.  And it's rude on his part to keep doing that.  He doesn't have to enter those threads, but does deliberately because he has the "right."  Having the "right" to do something doesn't mean being wrong in how it's done with rudeness in a forum, that specifically speaks of rules, including the "Golden Rule" in which does not seem to apply to him in the Bible verse threads.  But again, thank you.

[barbme1972]

Yes.  But I do have to agree with one thing of falcon.  This is a debate and discussion thread.  Which, The Second Coming is one of those threads.  It is when someone puts something in this section that isn't a debate topic that gets everyone fired up.  Especially when it is Bible verses.  Those should be in the regular forum, unless they want them to be debated over....hm....maybe that is why they are being put in this forum.  And Oh Boy, you mentioned the Golden Rule.  LOL!  falcon even has a come back for that one....*sigh*

[falcon9]

I don't particularly take it personally from him. 

Since you have before and seem to do so now, your claim is dubious.
 

I am vocalizing how I feel ...

You certainly are and your 'feelings' are not what's being discussed in this thread.  This thread is within the d&d subforum where at least some debate & discussion regarding the topic, ("second coming", not bible-thumping "verses"), may occur.

They are trying to earn their bonus like others, and some are provoked. 

That's a pretty blunt and direct admission of posting just to earn the posting bonus. Doubtless the admission will be denied as such due to FC's policy on the forum posting bonus requirements.
 

That's not fair being able to post in a forum about things they like, in this case, Bible verses, just to be stomped on when they do. 

"Fair?"  Who told you that you'd have some sort of 'carte blanche' to post anything that comes to mind without dissenting responses?  Consider finding that 'person' and treating them under the auspices of the "golden rule":
           
 

[falcon9]

Yes.  But I do have to agree with one thing of falcon.  This is a debate and discussion thread.  Which, The Second Coming is one of those threads.  It is when someone puts something in this section that isn't a debate topic that gets everyone fired up.  Especially when it is Bible verses.  Those should be in the regular forum, unless they want them to be debated over....hm....maybe that is why they are being put in this forum. 

Nearly any posted subject matter can become "contentious", whether it starts out in the Off Topic forum or, when a religious proclamation gets plunked-down in the Payments or, Suggestions forums, (for examples for have recently ocurred).

... you mentioned the Golden Rule.  LOL!  falcon even has a come back for that one....*sigh*

Given that the "rule" is also a tacit reminder of one's own behaviour, not just the behaviour of others.  This means posting religious proselytizing, for example, is a tacit 'permission' for others to 'counter-proselytize', (or, use other dissenting methods to oppose the "rude" or "disrespectful" initial religious proselytizing/bible-thumpings). 
   Whether or not bible-thumpers consider their thumpings to be rude/disrespectful/presumptuous/sanctimonious or not is as immaterial as their considering responses opposing succh to be the same.  Essentially, if thumpers can thump, dissenters can dissent to the thumping.
No one is coercing either.

[jcribb16]

Yes.  But I do have to agree with one thing of falcon.  This is a debate and discussion thread.  Which, The Second Coming is one of those threads.  It is when someone puts something in this section that isn't a debate topic that gets everyone fired up.  Especially when it is Bible verses.  Those should be in the regular forum, unless they want them to be debated over....hm....maybe that is why they are being put in this forum.  And Oh Boy, you mentioned the Golden Rule.  LOL!  falcon even has a come back for that one....*sigh*

He's not debating and discussing in this thread - and he certainly is not going to contribute nicely to the Bible verses in the regular forum - that's why people are saying things about his behavior.

[jcribb16]

I don't particularly take it personally from him. 

Since you have before and seem to do so now, your claim is dubious.
 

I am vocalizing how I feel ...

You certainly are and your 'feelings' are not what's being discussed in this thread.  This thread is within the d&d subforum where at least some debate & discussion regarding the topic, ("second coming", not bible-thumping "verses"), may occur.

They are trying to earn their bonus like others, and some are provoked. 

That's a pretty blunt and direct admission of posting just to earn the posting bonus. Doubtless the admission will be denied as such due to FC's policy on the forum posting bonus requirements.
 

That's not fair being able to post in a forum about things they like, in this case, Bible verses, just to be stomped on when they do. 

"Fair?"  Who told you that you'd have some sort of 'carte blanche' to post anything that comes to mind without dissenting responses?  Consider finding that 'person' and treating them under the auspices of the "golden rule":
           
 

Well, I guess it's okay for you to comment on people making the "30 posts" a month, yet no one else is allowed to say anything about it.  Yeah, right...

I'm not impressed with your constant comebacks - in your eyes, you are never wrong about anything.  Your "dissenting" comments to "dissenting" posts will receive "dissenting" responses - that seems to be the only way you know how to "debate and discuss" the religious "debates" and "off topic Bible threads."  Have a good night.

[falcon9]

But I do have to agree with one thing of falcon.  This is a debate and discussion thread.  Which, The Second Coming is one of those threads.  It is when someone puts something in this section that isn't a debate topic that gets everyone fired up.  Especially when it is Bible verses.  Those should be in the regular forum, unless they want them to be debated over....hm....maybe that is why they are being put in this forum.  And Oh Boy, you mentioned the Golden Rule.  LOL!  falcon even has a come back for that one....*sigh*

He's not debating and discussing in this thread - and he certainly is not going to contribute nicely to the Bible verses in the regular forum ...

To you I'm not however, to me you never "debate" and your "discussion" consists mainly of you making pronouncements without backing them up with substantive evidence.  That makes them the empty opinions you have a 'pronounced' penchant for. 

- that's why people are saying things about his behavior.

Surely they aren't 'gossiping'; that would be "rude", "disrespectful", discourteous and impolite.
 

[Falconer02]

Surely they aren't 'gossiping'; that would be "rude", "disrespectful", discourteous and impolite.

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