origin of life...

[gamerpeeps]

Brainwashing is very difficult to undo! I must say, falconeer and falcon, you guys are doing a marvelous job in presenting arguments to enable the brainwashed to open their eyes to at least look at other opinions/evidence. Alas, some are simply not ready to listen/look.

[JediJohnnie]

There are just as many "brainwashed" into rejecting the evidence of the Bible's accuracy because it doesn't fit into their narcissistic world-view.

[queenofnines]

What I hate worse though, what bothers me more is to read many of the posts (by all three of you)and see just how badly deceived by satan you all are.

And from my standpoint, I am sad by how deceived you are by religion. You are right about there being a definite pull and control over a person's life...you just don't realize it's yours.

I like you guys, I want better for you.

I want better for anyone who is wasting their life devoting it to ancient falsehoods. This is your only guaranteed life, and to have unnecessary restraints on it and to live in fear of hell thanks to religion is a shameful waste of life indeed.

I know you guys have said that you've tried it all before.

Just to clarify once again: I was every bit of a Christian as you are from January 2002 through March 2007. I sincerely believed in your god during that time.

Take a good look around you.  Time is running out.  MANY are saying so, NOT just the Christians.

Yes, that would be the other version of nut who thinks the apocalypse is impending. It's NOT. Statistically, I still have at least another 50 years before I kick the bucket. And I won't waste a single day of it leaving in fear of any fairytale. The only impending doom is the doom man generates for himself (overpopulation, nuclear warfare).

choose who you're going to spend eternity with before it's too late.

On the contrary, people should choose how their going to spend the rest of their finite time before it's too late! How many people would be pleased to know come their deathbed that they blew their only life believing in b.s.?!

[queenofnines]

There are just as many "brainwashed" into rejecting the evidence of the Bible's accuracy because it doesn't fit into their narcissistic world-view.

And JediJohnnie steps in awkwardly with yet another gem of insight...

[falcon9]

Brainwashing is very difficult to undo! I must say, falconeer and falcon, you guys are doing a marvelous job in presenting arguments to enable the brainwashed to open their eyes to at least look at other opinions/evidence. Alas, some are simply not ready to listen/look.

By its very nature of irrationality and emotional 'appeal' to some, religious brain-washing remains largely impervious not only to rational dissuasion but, to arguments consisting of counter-emotional elements.  The presentation of counter-arguments and dissenting viewpoints to religious proselytization is not intended so much as a form of "cult deprogramming" as it is a method of revealing the insidious nature of religious belief to the unwary.

“Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”
--– Richard Dawkins

[falcon9]

There are just as many "brainwashed" into rejecting the evidence of the Bible's accuracy because it doesn't fit into their narcissistic world-view.

And JediJohnnie steps in awkwardly with yet another gem of insight...

Apparently, such a "gem" is implicitly characterizing the ability to reason as being "brainwashed" and "narcissistic" in some bizarre inversion of a deficient ability to reason.  There's no substantive evidence of the "bible's accuracy" insofar as evidence supporting the specious religious beliefs contained within its pages goes.

"The Bible as we have it contains elements that are scientifically incorrect or even morally repugnant. No amount of 'explaining away' can convince us that such passages are the product of Divine Wisdom."
-- Bernard J. Bamberger

[jcribb16]

The "CareBears" were created for "unbelievers"...[/i]        

Uh, the last time I checked, the Care Bears were created for children...

From your site:

Start with the name first. Who can deny the similarity between the name Care Bears and Carefours, the district of Port au Prince which is the heart of the Voodoo world? Can the cloud city of Care-a-Lot be anything but an idealized 'holy city' of the Lwa - a divine reflection of Carefours? Then consider some of the terminology. The Care Bears constantly want to 'Share until you care', just as the Lwa want to share the bodies of their worshipers. The Care Bears are constantly trying to be children's 'friends', just as the Voodoo Lwa are often referred to by their followers as 'friendly spirits' or just 'friends'.

Are you freakin' kidding me?!  With this kind of p i s s poor logic, ANYTHING can be interpreted as being "evil".  I can't believe you are allowing yourself to be duped like this.  What a scary world you must think we live in when a children's show can't even be safe from the throws of Satan.

P.S. Kids don't have a clue what "voodoo" is!

I have to admit, I have never ever heard of Care Bears being similar to Carefours.  Care-a-Lot has always been known to be based on King Arthur's Camelot.  The names of the bears represent different emotions, character, and feelings that kids deal with on a real basis, and help the kids to learn how to do or achieve things like sharing, caring, loving, forgiving, cheering others.  They learn that it's okay to be grumpy, sad, and upset at times, but there are ways to change them into positive thoughts and behaviors. 

Blogs sometimes can come across opinionated or biased, especially if based on the bloggers points of views.  In this particular one that was provided in here, I have never heard of this person, and frankly do not accept his "opinion" as truth.  If I am wrong and can be shown proof from the makers' and developers' "secret" files and conversations, then I'll look at it.  But, I agree with you, Care Bears are made for children.  In later years, the Care Bears, who represent the good side, even win over the evil side.  That's not voodoo in my thoughts.

[Administrator]

Kind members, please wrap up this discussion as soon as possible.  I will be locking this thread in the next day or two.  I recognize that there's some coherent debate going on, but this thread started out as a (informally forbidden) call-out thread and has now devolved into a private chatroom among a few members (also informally forbidden).  So it's gotta go.