Gay Marriage

[Warhol04]

That wasn't directed at you. It was for the very first comment. Still, the bible is a horrible place to look for guidance.

Gandhi found guidance in the New Testament, especially "The Sermon on the Mount".


I think homosexual people should be allowed to marry.  If yuo don't allow them, at least have the decency to allow their civil unions to have the same rights as marriages.  It is bad that the majority of homophobia comes from Christians.  Apparently they don't understand what Jesus Christ was trying to teach.   

[falcon9]

It is bad that the majority of homophobia comes from Christians.  Apparently they don't understand what Jesus Christ was trying to teach.   

Judaism?

[barbme1972]

That wasn't directed at you. It was for the very first comment. Still, the bible is a horrible place to look for guidance.

Oh, ok.  Sorry then.  Continue with the discussion then.  Thank you for letting me know.   

[hitch0403]

I think the words to the song Paul Stookey <from Peter Paul & Mary>"The wedding song"sums it up.....

Well then whats to be the reason for becoming man & wife
Is it love that brings you here,or love that brings you life
For if loving is the answer,then whos the giving for
Do you believe in something that youve never seen before
There is Love

Let me add,this is how i feel.I am not trying to stir up any debates etc.I am far from being perfect.I feel God gave us freedom of choice and i am exercising that now on how i feel HIS rules apply to what is right more then mans does.

[BJohnsonPP]

Let me add,this is how i feel.I am not trying to stir up any debates etc.I am far from being perfect.I feel God gave us freedom of choice and i am exercising that now on how i feel HIS rules apply to what is right more then mans does.

Not wanting to stir up anything is fine... that's not enough from preventing it from happening though.

Usually those that say "HIS" rules are better than ours are 9 times out of 10 clueless to what "HIS" rules actually are. Our rules are superior to his by miles. Actually read your holy book and not just the warm and fuzzy stuff your preachers sugar coat for you, then get back to me. He felt it more important to put in rules about not boiling baby goats in its mothers milk instead of rules against child abuse or rape. You'd really take that over mans rules?

It's sad that you can't look at the world around you, see your fellow human beings being treated unfairly and say to yourself that that's wrong and you want no part of that. They suffer but that's fine with you because a dusty old book told you how to treat people... even though it has been proven to be contradictory and just flat out wrong time and time again. I just find this to be insane.

[tdecet]

Really doesnt matter to me one way or another,  to each his own.  I'm not put on this earth to judge anyone,  thats not my job.    GOD is only one to judge.

[falcon9]

GOD is only one to judge.

Yet, you are unable to prove such a belief is accurate, (being based upon faith, which has no evidentiary basis).

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

[scappy]

 
Who cares..What is tiring is hearing the bible come up on this topic just because of the word 'marriage'.
The Bible was written to assist in stopping the activities in society under the Roman Empire. Rabi's distringuished the ruthlessness in that era and set it in decisive words. See the adventures of Calliglia (sp). He was straight and raping husbands!

[hitch0403]

Scripture in Eccl reads,"Man has dominated himself to his own injury"6000 years later after rebellion in Eden...who can argue that isnt true.The human race isnt automated otherwise if we were LOVE wouldnt exist.Jehovah doesnt force anyone to serve,love or obey him.It truly is in mans best interest to do so as proven by man trying to govern himself in this satanic system.Can you imagine when Pilate called for 1 of the prisoners to be released they chose Barbaras over Jesus.Why?Because Jesus was a threat to their wicked and greedy ways.Imagine treating Jesus like a criminal after he had proven beyond a doubt he truly was Gods son and taught love and peace and eventually sacrificed his own life to VINDICATE his fathers name and SAVE the human race.

[falcon9]

Scripture in Eccl reads,"Man has dominated himself to his own injury"6000 years later after rebellion in Eden...who can argue that isnt true.The human race isnt automated otherwise if we were LOVE wouldnt exist.Jehovah doesnt force anyone to serve,love or obey him.It truly is in mans best interest to do so as proven by man trying to govern himself in this satanic system.Can you imagine when Pilate called for 1 of the prisoners to be released they chose Barbaras over Jesus.Why?Because Jesus was a threat to their wicked and greedy ways.Imagine treating Jesus like a criminal after he had proven beyond a doubt he truly was Gods son and taught love and peace and eventually sacrificed his own life to VINDICATE his fathers name and SAVE the human race.

There's no factual basis for any of those religious claims as they are all based upon dubious 'biblical' accounts and religious 'faith', (which has no evidentiary basis).  Promoting such proselytizing propaganda as if it were true is disingenuous; especially the "after he had proven beyond a doubt he truly was Gods son" false claim.  No such thing was "proven beyond a doubt".

“The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.”
-- Richard Dawkins

[kewl4reals]

It is bad that the majority of homophobia comes from Christians.  Apparently they don't understand what Jesus Christ was trying to teach.   

Judaism?

ACTUALLY JUDAISM unlike many other prejudice/unjust religions is a religion of INTELLIGENCE and survival of attempted genocides. ALSO jewish people, as a religion, are respectful and accepting of gays/same sex couples, BECAUSE they like same sex couples have endured so much attempted destruction of them as a whole, world wide. IT often takes one survivor to respect and understand another. much like judaism and same sex couples. BOTH have endured so many attempts to wipe them off the face entirely, yet both ironically and greatly, have stood fast and rose above...........   as they should and always will.  Because no religion or sexual preference is better than another- any intelligent human can agree to that fact

[ccwillis]

My stand is with the bible. Jesus Christ stated plainly: "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the tow shall become one flesh? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate" (Matthew 19:4-6). Christ clearly stated that marriage is predicated on the fact that God made them "male and female," and that it is God--not mankind and its laws who joins a man and woman together as "one flesh" in marriage.

[falcon9]

My stand is with the bible. 

Then you stand upon a specious religious belief.  It is circular/irrational to essentially declare that the 'bible says so because the bible says so'.

"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration--courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth."
-- H. L. Mencken

[ccwillis]

Its not just religions for me it about following and keeping God's statutes and judgements. (Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.")

[falcon9]

Its not just religions for me it about following and keeping God's statutes and judgements. (Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.")

Such a comment perpetuates ignorance.  How can a comment which bible-thumps and admits to following a religious belief be "not just religions"?


"Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain."
-- Gene Roddenberry