Gay Marriage

[lbryanwf]

I disagree that he Government should get involved in that at all! Or for that matter on Abortion, either.  Those things should be left up to the individual states to set their statutes on those matters. As it is, there are several states where gays can marry, and those who want to can go there. On a personal note, I think people should love who they want to love. But marriage between same sexes? what is the point? There are growing "Domestic Partner benefits, like health care etc, and also a registry, wher people can have beprivy to eah others medical info and treatment and also end of lifr wishes. As far as property, there is thing called a will. Stop the fighting and just live and love...this will forever be controversial.

[heroftimes]

I agree, the government shouldn't have stepped in on jim crow laws either.  There was nothing wrong with separate but equal.  *End facetious rant*

I disagree that he Government should get involved in that at all! Or for that matter on Abortion, either.  Those things should be left up to the individual states to set their statutes on those matters. As it is, there are several states where gays can marry, and those who want to can go there. On a personal note, I think people should love who they want to love. But marriage between same sexes? what is the point? There are growing "Domestic Partner benefits, like health care etc, and also a registry, wher people can have beprivy to eah others medical info and treatment and also end of lifr wishes. As far as property, there is thing called a will. Stop the fighting and just live and love...this will forever be controversial.

[Flackle]

I agree, the government shouldn't have stepped in on jim crow laws either.  There was nothing wrong with separate but equal.  *End facetious rant*

I disagree that he Government should get involved in that at all! Or for that matter on Abortion, either.  Those things should be left up to the individual states to set their statutes on those matters. As it is, there are several states where gays can marry, and those who want to can go there. On a personal note, I think people should love who they want to love. But marriage between same sexes? what is the point? There are growing "Domestic Partner benefits, like health care etc, and also a registry, wher people can have beprivy to eah others medical info and treatment and also end of lifr wishes. As far as property, there is thing called a will. Stop the fighting and just live and love...this will forever be controversial.

The problem is that there is a difference between the government supporting something and private insitutions supporting something. Jim Crow Laws where blatantly disregarding human rights by using government supported segregation, where as the 1964 cilvil rights act banned the private sector from being prejudice in certain situations (where its perfectly alright, because the private sector has competition to regulate its behavior where the government does not.)

With gay marriage, the government outright banning gay marriage it is wrong because the government is forcing others out of being allowed their right to contract because of their own personal choice. At the same time, however, government laws supporting gay marriage would force a private institution (like a church) to sign a contract between to people even if that institution doesn't want too.

Getting the government completely out of marriage and allowing the states to decide is wrong because a form of government is still regulating it and therefore the government is not completely out of it.

How about we only allow the states to get involved when there is a dispute of a contract, and only the judicial system is allowed to even touch it? Therefore the private sector can allow us to organically organize contracts that could replace the blatantly unfair and biased government system that's in place right now. Maybe then I would even consider getting married at all.

[hitch0403]

With all this bickering back & forth...

WHO INSTITUTED MARRIAGE?Rosie Odonnell???

We all or should i say most of us know....but it comes down man fixing it or making it right......guess what......

Eccl 8:9 Man has dominated himself to his own injury.

Sorry its unnatural.And i dont wanna hear i was born that way.People get help to stop smoking,drinking,drugs,gambling....Get help!!And then pray for strength.Problem is when we have these bad habits we like them and dont wanna stop till its too late.

[falcon9]

With all this bickering back & forth...

WHO INSTITUTED MARRIAGE?Rosie Odonnell???

It wasn't xtians, it was "pagans", centuries before the xtians copied and altered the concept, (at first, to treat women as chattel and negotiating 'chips' in arranged "marriages").

Sorry its unnatural.

So are artifical/man-made religious beliefs however, these are permitted under secular law.  Religious beliefs should never be permitted to dictate secular laws.

Problem is when we have these bad habits we like them and dont wanna stop till its too late.

Agreed; blind religious faith is a "bad habit" that its adherents rarely want to stop, even after it's too late, (has damaged their ability to reason).

[Falconer02]

Sorry its unnatural.

It's not unnatural since the behavior is seen in vast amounts of species all over the world. The only thing you can probably argue here is that it's scientifically abnormal behavior.

People get help to stop smoking,drinking,drugs,gambling....Get help!!

Please logically explain the harm of, say, 2 women loving, helping, and wanting a nice life for eachother and how it's on par with all of these things you listed.

Problem is when we have these bad habits we like them and dont wanna stop till its too late.

How is attraction, loving, and caring for someone a bad habit?

[6265AT99]

What's your stance on Gay Marriage? It shouldn't even be an issue, but it is, so I want to hear everyone's thoughts, especially those in opposition.

Gay Marriage should only be the choice of those entering the marriage and not for anyone else to criticize.  I personally have had many friends who are gay as well as a gay cousin who recently entered into a "marriage".  People should all just try to get along and live and let live!!!!!

[hitch0403]

The image of God is both male and female and is reflected in a godly union between male and female where the creative power of God, His life-giving, His self-giving and His moral nature are perfectly expressed. This is only possible in a heterosexual union.

When God created a partner for Adam He created Eve—not another Adam. This means that perfect partnership requires some level of difference as well as a level of similarity so great that Adam could cry out loudly, ”This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh”. Sexual intimacy between a man and a woman is the normal method of male/female bonding (emotionally and physically) because it corresponds to the design of our bodies and because it is the normal means by which offspring are created.

If God had intended the human race to be fulfilled through both heterosexual and homosexual marriage, He would have designed our bodies to allow reproduction through both means and made both means of sexual intercourse healthy and natural. Homosexual *bleep* intercourse carries a high risk of disease, this is recognized in Scripture where gay men are said to receive in their bodies the due penalty for their error (Romans 1:27).

[Editor’s Note: Various studies indicate that homosexual behavior makes both men and women more vulnerable to disease and decreases lifespan. See: R.S. Hogg, S.A. Strathdee, KJ Craib, M.V. O’Shaughnessy, J.S. Montaner and M.T. Schechter, “Modelling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men,” International Journal of Epidemiology, Vol. 26 (Oxford University, 1997), pp. 657-661. (“If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday”) / Executive Summary, “Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality,” Medical Institute of Sexual Health (1999) (”Homosexual men are at significantly increased risk for HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, *bleep* cancer, gonorrhea and gastrointestinal infections.” “Women who have sex with women are at significantly increased risk of bacterial vaginosis, breast cancer and ovarian cancer than are heterosexual women.”) / L.A. Valleroy, D.A. MacKellar, J.M. Daron, et al, “HIV prevalence and associated risks in young men who have sex with men,” JAMA, 284 (2000), pp. 198-204. (Discusses the prevalence of HIV infection and high-risk behaviors in study group of 3,492 young men who have sex with men.) / D. Binson, W.J. Woods, L. Pollack, J. Paul, R. Stall, J.A. Catania, “Differential HIV risk in bathhouses and public cruising areas,” American Journal of Public Health, 91 (2001), pp. 1482-1486. (demonstrates that high risk behaviors are still quite common among homosexual men).]

[falcon9]

The image of God is both male and female ... 

No wonder you're confused about this issue.  Your assertion is based on unsupported religious beliefs and has no evidence to substantiate it, (although the original concept of a 'gender-ambiguous' entity predates any judeo-xtian plagiarisms, there remains no evidence that such a belief is accurate).

[JediJohnnie]

With all this bickering back & forth...

WHO INSTITUTED MARRIAGE?Rosie Odonnell???

LOL,no kidding!

[hitch0403]

I didnt realize this line caused blindness either...in sight and mind.....


Homosexual *bleep* intercourse carries a high risk of disease, this is recognized in Scripture where gay men are said to receive in their bodies the due penalty for their error (Romans 1:27).

[hitch0403]

Jesus did forewarn tho that man would love the darkness.

And this goes for the whole world NOT only the gay community.

[falcon9]

I didnt realize this line caused blindness either...in sight and mind.....

(Romans 1:27).

That's because faith blinds you, in both ways.

[Falconer02]

The image of God is both male and female and is reflected in a godly union between male and female where the creative power of God, His life-giving, His self-giving and His moral nature are perfectly expressed. This is only possible in a heterosexual union.

There are homosexual unions that work though.

Sexual intimacy between a man and a woman is the normal method of male/female bonding (emotionally and physically) because it corresponds to the design of our bodies and because it is the normal means by which offspring are created.

It's also normal between homosexual couples. Heck, if there was no emotional or physical bond, why would they even go that route? Offspring can be created nowadays through artifical insemenation. Gay couples also have the ability to adopt children (because, in many cases, straight couples don't want these children). Studies show that these children are not effected by being raised by a gay couple. Your argument here is flawed due to your lack of cultural education.

Homosexual *bleep* intercourse carries a high risk of disease, this is recognized in Scripture where gay men are said to receive in their bodies the due penalty for their error

All intercourse carries a risk of disease though. Just because the risk of something is a bit higher for someone it does not mean they should avoid it entirely-- that's invading in on someone's own basic freedoms. They just need to play it safe. And all those diseases you listed? Straight couples can get them too (some obviously depending on what the couple is in to...).

[Falconer02]

Jesus did forewarn tho that man would love the darkness.

Good thing the gay community selected a bright and shiny rainbow as their logo!