Yet, without substantiating evidence, such beliefs remain a matter of 'faith', (which is an unsupported opinion inherently lacking evidence).
Note that I put quotations around angel in my original post meaning that I'm not implying that what my father saw was some stereotypical creature with wings and an halo...
Indeed, I did notice the quotes and the shift in description from a supernatural attribution to a more mundane one in some regard. My contention remains applicable however, given the subsequent contention below:
The question was, "I believe in angels?" and I replied "Yes, I do believe in super natural forces"...There are many people who claim to have SEEN ghosts (or UFO's) therefore they now BELIEVE in ghosts. Like the saying go's "Seeing is believing" and until you've experienced such phenomena, you can't say it's just I matter of faith and opinion ...
In regards specifically to claims of having "seen" such supernatural entities I certainly can and have challenged the claimed attributions.
... faith and opinion has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about...I'm NOT talking about "angels" as it relates to religion or some sort of Christian myth.
"Angels, in a variety of religions, are regarded as spirits. They are often depicted as messengers of God in the Hebrew and Christian Bibles and the Quran. The English word angel is derived from the Greek ἄγγελος (aggelos), a translation of מלאך (mal'akh) in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh); a similar term, ملائكة (Malāīkah), is used in the Qur'an. The Hebrew and Greek words originally meant messenger, and depending on the context may refer either to a human messenger."
If you're referencing "human messengers", that's a much more mundane concept than supernatural ones.
I'm talking about an unexplainable paranormal occurrence where someone (my father) was protected from harm by supernatural beings.
Such an asserted claim would require evidence which attributes it to the claimed source, (which is what I'd stated previously).
You can call them angels, guardians or whatever, but they do exist...
Once again, such an asserted claim would require evidence which attributes it to the claimed source. Merely proclaiming belief in a speculated source does not constitute evidence of attribution to said source(s).
Some things simply can not be explained with science. This world and universe is filled with unexplained mysteries and wonders...Scientist's can't possibly know everything and it would be quite arrogant to say that they do...
No scientist that I'm aware of has ever claimed to "know everything", (neither have any non-scientists nor, myself made such claims however, I have run across/over several religious adherents who
have made that claim; either presumptuously on their preferred hypothetical "deity's" behalf or by suggesting that some documents containing desputed and refuted contentions does).
I said I wasn't going to elaborate on what my father saw, but hey, what the heck...
My father told us when he was young years ago while walking his date home they ran into a couple racists. The men started walking toward them spewing racial slurs and then one of the them pulled out a knife. All of a Sudden the men stopped dead in their tracks, looked up in astonishment, then took off running in terror. My father said while the two racist where approaching he remembered hearing two heavy male voices behind him, mumbling...My father said he turned around to see why they were running and saw absolutely no one in sight!
While I'm not offering an alternate 'explanation' for the event you related, there definitely
are several. If you want speculations, ask.
So he figured that they must have been angels. Very tall angels at that, because he said the men looked up over their heads as if they saw giants and took off running.
The assumptions and attribution made do not logically follow since they appear to be based on preconceived religious notions and a misapprehension of what caused those actions, (for instance, the same outcome could have been as easily attributed to 'witchcraft' and there'd still be no way to substantiate such a attribution).
I really don't care if anyone else believes the story or not. Nor did I expect anyone to. That's why I opted not to tell the story in the beginning. Peace....
Doubtless some of those with religious preconceptions may believe your father's story. Others who would apply skeptically reasoning probably will not. There's probably even a few religious adherents who would attempt to apply logical reasoning to the story, but ultimately must use a 'tortured' form of it instead to support their religious preconceptions.
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