Please say a prayer!!

[cateyes1]

Falcon I have a what if question for you. you're traveling down a lightly traveled country road, you lose control of your car, you go off the road, you are traped in your car, you're badly injured and chances of you being found are very slim. do you just sit there waiting to die or do you look for a devine intervention?

That would be "divine" intervention and no.  If I couldn't use my cell phone to summon assistance or, couldn't crawl out on my own, I might die of my injuries and no 'invisible pink unicorn' could prevent that.  I'm pragmatic, not someone who would cling to false hope.

"There are no atheisits in foxholes."
Reverend William T. Cummings, who served at Bataan.

Things have changed since WWII.  Now, there are wiccans and satanists, (federally-recognised religions), in the military as well as xtians and atheists.  Not only are there atheists in foxholes, they tend to follow General Patton's advise of making the other poor *bleep* die for his country by being better shots, (I qualified as Marksman during basic training).

first Falcon you are either a fool or a lousy liar.

Since I am neither, how did you illogically arrive at that conclusion?  There _are_ wiccans & satanists in the U.S. military and both of those are federally-recognised 'religions'.  Therefore, you are both a fool and a liar.

second the quote you attribute to Genaral Patton is not a Patton quote it is a George C. Scott quote never said by Patton only used in the movie.

"No *bleep* ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb *bleep* die for his country."
 Gen. George S. Patton

Lastly, you asked a question, I answered it and your response was to accuse me of being "either a fool or a lousy liar" without backing up your claim.  If you do not choose to back up your specious accusation, you are opening the door to a laundry-list of substantiated assertions concerning your defensive 'arguments'.  Are you aure you want to go there?  No other xtians have been able to refute those assertions as yet.  Who know, maybe you'll be the very first one to do so.
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first let me say just because you put what you believe to be a "quote" in quotation marks, does not make it true. that is JUST a line from a movie.
also my "accusing" you of being a fool or a liar was in reference your answer to being traped in your car. not your list of religous and non religous members of the US military.

[falcon9]

first let me say just because you put what you believe to be a "quote" in quotation marks, does not make it true. that is JUST a line from a movie.

I'll concede that point since I can find no verifiable reference to attributing the quote to Patton's speech to the Third Army.  He did, however say "We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have; or ever will have. We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks.

"War is a *bleep*, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!"

Close sentiment but, not quite the same as the first quote.

also my "accusing" you of being a fool or a liar was in reference your answer to being traped in your car. 

You make a false accusation then since I did not lie about what I'd do if in such an accident, (since I was in one - caused by another driver - in which the car flipped over.  I did not 'pray to a hypothetical being' when that occurred.  Instead, I turned off the upside-down car's engine which was still running and kicked-out the driver's side window so that I could crawl out).  Calling me a "fool" and a "liar" when you have no way of verifying my account or, my preferences is both foolish and dishonest of you.

[cateyes1]

first let me say just because you put what you believe to be a "quote" in quotation marks, does not make it true. that is JUST a line from a movie.

I'll concede that point since I can find no verifiable reference to attributing the quote to Patton's speech to the Third Army.  He did, however say "We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have; or ever will have. We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks.

"War is a *bleep*, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!"

Close sentiment but, not quite the same as the first quote.

also my "accusing" you of being a fool or a liar was in reference your answer to being traped in your car. 

You make a false accusation then since I did not lie about what I'd do if in such an accident, (since I was in one - caused by another driver - in which the car flipped over.  I did not 'pray to a hypothetical being' when that occurred.  Instead, I turned off the upside-down car's engine which was still running and kicked-out the driver's side window so that I could crawl out).  Calling me a "fool" and a "liar" when you have no way of verifying my account or, my preferences is both foolish and dishonest of you.

it is not a "false accusation" sense you say you would not pray then my opinion is your a fool.
God bless you and have a good night

[falcon9]

it is not a "false accusation" sense you say you would not pray then my opinion is your a fool.

It's 'since', not "sense" and that wasn't precisely the false accusation you made, (in calling me a liar).  Neither does your opinion that not praying is a foolish non-act since it is baseless and therefore without value.  Conversely, there is absolutely no verifiable evidence that 'praying' has any value other than to give some people the illusion of 'comfort', (since it any perceived results cannot accurately be attributed to 'prayer').

On the other hand, the perception that you come across like a sanctimonious, self-deluded, self-righteous fundie is a substantiated conclusion drawn from your sanctimonious, self-deluded, self-righteous fundie posts in these forums.

[cateyes1]

it is not a "false accusation" sense you say you would not pray then my opinion is your a fool.

It's 'since', not "sense" and that wasn't precisely the false accusation you made, (in calling me a liar).  Neither does your opinion that not praying is a foolish non-act since it is baseless and therefore without value.  Conversely, there is absolutely no verifiable evidence that 'praying' has any value other than to give some people the illusion of 'comfort', (since it any perceived results cannot accurately be attributed to 'prayer').

On the other hand, the perception that you come across like a sanctimonious, self-deluded, self-righteous fundie is a substantiated conclusion drawn from your sanctimonious, self-deluded, self-righteous fundie posts in these forums.

Why do you feel a need to disprove the power of prayer? and not just let a person who believes believe?  maybe you need to get a hobby, may I suggest you going to roadside memorials and ripping down the crosses......

[falcon9]

it is not a "false accusation" sense you say you would not pray then my opinion is your a fool.

It's 'since', not "sense" and that wasn't precisely the false accusation you made, (in calling me a liar).  Neither does your opinion that not praying is a foolish non-act since it is baseless and therefore without value.  Conversely, there is absolutely no verifiable evidence that 'praying' has any value other than to give some people the illusion of 'comfort', (since it any perceived results cannot accurately be attributed to 'prayer').

On the other hand, the perception that you come across like a sanctimonious, self-deluded, self-righteous fundie is a substantiated conclusion drawn from your sanctimonious, self-deluded, self-righteous fundie posts in these forums.

Why do you feel a need to disprove the power of prayer and not just let a person who believes believe?

I could say it's due to the direct parallel of a religious adherent's insistence that no life-saving medical procedures be done because it 'goes against their faith and they'd rather pray instead' while the patient dies, (allegedly because it's then claimed that was "god's will").  Or, I could be simply opposed to the promotion of delusional religious superstitious rituals. As far as 'letting' someone believe whatever nonsense they wish to believe; no one can conclusively prevent that.  What others can do is express dissenting viewpoints in an open forum once unfounded religious claims are initially posted.  Apparently, the none-too-subtle difference between religious adherents INITIALLY posting specious claims/'faith-based' nonsensical assertions and subsequential dissenting replies escapes you.

maybe you need to get a hobby, may I suggest you going to roadside memorials and ripping down the crosses......

Alternatively, it could be suggested that you go join teh Westboro baptists in their "protests" at military funerals.  You'd fit right in and no doubt the familes of the deceased would appreciate your efforts tremendously.

[cateyes1]

it is not a "false accusation" sense you say you would not pray then my opinion is your a fool.

It's 'since', not "sense" and that wasn't precisely the false accusation you made, (in calling me a liar).  Neither does your opinion that not praying is a foolish non-act since it is baseless and therefore without value.  Conversely, there is absolutely no verifiable evidence that 'praying' has any value other than to give some people the illusion of 'comfort', (since it any perceived results cannot accurately be attributed to 'prayer').

On the other hand, the perception that you come across like a sanctimonious, self-deluded, self-righteous fundie is a substantiated conclusion drawn from your sanctimonious, self-deluded, self-righteous fundie posts in these forums.

Why do you feel a need to disprove the power of prayer and not just let a person who believes believe?

I could say it's due to the direct parallel of a religious adherent's insistence that no life-saving medical procedures be done because it 'goes against their faith and they'd rather pray instead' while the patient dies, (allegedly because it's then claimed that was "god's will").  Or, I could be simply opposed to the promotion of delusional religious superstitious rituals. As far as 'letting' someone believe whatever nonsense they wish to believe; no one can conclusively prevent that.  What others can do is express dissenting viewpoints in an open forum once unfounded religious claims are initially posted.  Apparently, the none-too-subtle difference between religious adherents INITIALLY posting specious claims/'faith-based' nonsensical assertions and subsequential dissenting replies escapes you.

maybe you need to get a hobby, may I suggest you going to roadside memorials and ripping down the crosses......

Alternatively, it could be suggested that you go join teh Westboro baptists in their "protests" at military funerals.  You'd fit right in and no doubt the familes of the deceased would appreciate your efforts tremendously.

Falcon, do we get paid by the words on here...oh and it's the NOT het so hahahaha

[falcon9]

Falcon, do we get paid by the words on here.

If that's a question instead of a statement; no, we get paid for 3 contributory posts out of 30.

...oh and it's the NOT het so hahahaha

Close, but you should've corrected my typo by saying that it's 'the', not "teh", (rather than "het", which was your typo of my typo).
Btw, way to dodge replying to the content & context of the reply.  It didn't divert attention from the fact that you dodged it but, nice try.

[cateyes1]

I want to thank everyone for the PRAYERS for my son and his family !!

[falcon9]

I want to thank everyone ...

You already did that yesterday.  Short-term memory loss or, tacitly conceding that 'prayer' cannot to attributed to any effect?

[cateyes1]

I want to thank everyone ...

You already did that yesterday.  Short-term memory loss or, tacitly conceding that 'prayer' cannot to attributed to any effect?

Falcon do you EVER sleep?...I wanted to leave it as that, A THANK YOU!!!!!!!! after all this nonsense, (make sure I spelt that right) go to bed or SOMETHING...please leave this thread alone........BUT you wont Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......unless you want to pray for my son and his family as well, he really needs prayers I'm so scared for them...now stop PLEASE!!

[falcon9]

Falcon do you EVER sleep?

Of course.

I wanted to leave it as that, A THANK YOU!!!!!!!! after all this nonsense ...

So it's a passive-aggressive dodge of yours afterall.

go to bed or SOMETHING...please leave this thread alone........ unless you want to pray for my son and his family as well ...now stop PLEASE!!

As usual, I'll go to bed when I choose to, not when you choose to try telling me what to do.  Secondly, this is an open thread posted to FC's off-topic forum, not your private 'blog', therefore your request is denied.  Lastly, my position regarding the futility of 'prayer' has already been made abundantly clear, (except, apparently, to you).  I'm not sure if you're simply 'too poor to pay attention' or too completely brain-washed by your religious beliefs to comprehend a fairly simple concept.  To reiterate it; there's no evidence that 'prayer' has any effect beyond the placebo effect and providing a false sense of 'comfort'.  Now you can always use the "ignore" function which FC has provided, (or you could ineffectually 'pray' for censorship here).

[cateyes1]

Falcon do you EVER sleep?

Of course.

I wanted to leave it as that, A THANK YOU!!!!!!!! after all this nonsense ...

So it's a passive-aggressive dodge of yours afterall.

go to bed or SOMETHING...please leave this thread alone........ unless you want to pray for my son and his family as well ...now stop PLEASE!!

As usual, I'll go to bed when I choose to, not when you choose to try telling me what to do.  Secondly, this is an open thread posted to FC's off-topic forum, not your private 'blog', therefore your request is denied.  Lastly, my position regarding the futility of 'prayer' has already been made abundantly clear, (except, apparently, to you).  I'm not sure if you're simply 'too poor to pay attention' or too completely brain-washed by your religious beliefs to comprehend a fairly simple concept.  To reiterate it; there's no evidence that 'prayer' has any effect beyond the placebo effect and providing a false sense of 'comfort'.  Now you can always use the "ignore" function which FC has provided, (or you could ineffectually 'pray' for censorship here

your ignorance is REALLY showing now, I DONT like your Charector at all...I know I spelt that wrong too as you will clearly point out because of your ignorance and insecurities of belittleing others to make yourself look big, I know your kind....now go pick apart my words your only showing how rude you can be.... ........AND yes I know this is a public forum BUT only YOU will keep this nonsense going because it's clear that NOBODY pays any attention to you so you find the need for it on this forum....and like a nut I feel bad for you and show you the attention you are soooo craving...I always feel for the underdog ..now pick this one apart ..knock yourself out!!

[falcon9]

your ignorance is REALLY showing now

It's becoming doubtful that you know what that word means since you've used it inappropriately.

I DONT like your Charector at all...

That's irrelevant, (which means that it doesn't matter as it's not applicable to the context you're ignoring and yet, keep replying around).

I know I spelt that wrong too as you will clearly point out because of your ignorance and insecurities of belittleing others to make yourself look big...

Pointing out that you appear to be semi-literate would be pointless, (nor does it indicate my ignorance and insecurites and on the contrary, merely emphasizes yours - as this rant of yours indicates).
 

I know your kind...

No, you don't.  That's simply another one of those empty claims you're fond of making, (evidence of this exists in this thread and a few others).

...now go pick apart my words your only showing how rude you can be.... ....

Interspersing replies in context isn't "rude"; you just don't like it, (which doesn't constitute 'rudeness' however, I'm able to be 'rude' in such a way that you'd not perceive it).

....AND yes I know this is a public forum....

Then why did you issue censoring demands?  Was it out of ignorance or, self-righteous religious bigotry?

BUT only YOU will keep this nonsense going because it's clear that NOBODY pays any attention to you so you find the need for it on this forum....

Your claim is demonstrably false.  Several members of FC have chosen to reply to various threads I've posted in.  If you're referring to the many religious adherents who have spared with me in the past, at least 2-3 are still hanging in there and replying.

...and like a nut I feel bad for you and show you the attention you are soooo craving...

Your apprehension stems from something other than a correct perception of the actual situation here.  That situation being that my posting on the forums is not a result of "craving attention"; it stems from posting viewpoints which you're unsuccessfully attempting to censor.  I'll just note your own admission to being "a nut" and concur.

I always feel for the underdog ..now pick this one apart ..knock yourself out!!

Then you must be feeling sorry for yourself since nothing in my posts can rationally characterize me as being "the underdog" here.  As for picking your post apart, this is my usual posting method, (your not 'liking' it means nothing to me).

[cateyes1]

And YOU Falcon mean NOTHING to me, GOODBYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE