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clarita21

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marry your rapist ??? WHAT!!!!!
« on: March 16, 2012, 03:42:49 am »
A minister in Morocco's Islamist government called for a change to a law allowing a rapist to marry his victim after a 16-year-old teenager forced into such a union committed suicide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :BangHead:  ( NOW ISNT THIS CRAZY! ) NOW i think they need do somethingabout this quick what do you think?

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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 04:13:21 am »
That is the CRAZIEST thing I have ever heard! I would NOT be forced to marry ANYONE, let alone the one who raped me!!! >:(

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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2012, 03:27:49 pm »
Bible says it's ok.  I think you just owe the girls dad a goat or something.

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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 03:59:47 pm »
Bible says it's ok.  I think you just owe the girls dad a goat or something.

That's a humorous angle on an incredibly disturbing topic.   :crybaby2:

If it's Islamic would'nt it be the Quaran?  I think it's probably time to change the subject.   :peace:
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 04:19:13 pm »
this is disturbing .but sadly islamic is not the only culture that employes in small ways.what about in american society where we encourage to stay by there maneven though by thier man after he beat them.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2012, 04:26:47 pm »
Most people who are forced to be married have their lives controlled by their parents/guardians.  Marrying their rapist is completely unbelievable, not only will they have to marry their rapist but they may relive it and the victim can easily develop depression, anxiety, their lives are constantly being controlled, become a victim of domestic violence.  Anyone who marries their rapist is putting themselves in serious danger, and their lives will be controlled; not being able to do anything without their partner's permission and they may also be verbally abused as well as financially.

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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2012, 04:30:34 pm »
That is absolutely crazy! There is no way in hockey sticks that a girl should have to do that/continue to endure suffering. What is this world coming to?!? :wave:

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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2012, 04:38:36 pm »
Absolutely inhumane

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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2012, 09:52:29 pm »
i think thats crazy and a really difficult situation. i feel really bad for the girl thaugh. i myself am muslim but i dont think there is something about that in the quaran. and then again what can i do really. just watch i cant anyting about other peoples culture. but i sure hope it stops.

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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2012, 10:16:09 pm »
Bible says it's ok.  I think you just owe the girls dad a goat or something.

Islamic religion does not respect women in any way, and is male chauvinistic in every way. Which other religion allows men to marry any number of wives, and asks women to cover their whole body from head to toe? Unfair to women in every way, and the pity is these women never seem to realize that! Did you know that a man in Islamic religion can divorce his wife even over the phone by uttering the word Talak three times  "Talak, Talak, Talak".  :o

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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2012, 12:36:22 am »
Bible says it's ok.  I think you just owe the girls dad a goat or something.

The Bible doesn't say any such thing.

I knew some "genius" would compare this to the Bible.I'm only surprised someone beat Falcon9 to it. ::)


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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2012, 01:47:00 am »
Bible says it's ok.  I think you just owe the girls dad a goat or something.

The Bible doesn't say any such thing.

Well, I'm not sure what goats went for back then however, he was pretty close.

I knew some "genius" would compare this to the Bible.I'm only surprised someone beat Falcon9 to it. ::)

No comparisons were needed since there are 'direct quotes'.  I'm slightly surprised that even a diminished-capacity xtian wouldn't want to 'thump' that reference out of the 'babble/bible', (although it doesn't take a "genius" to figure out why). Here's the refutation of your false denial:


"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." -- Deu. 22:28:29, NIV

"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." -- Deu. 22:28:29, KJV


So, your religious indocrination manual authorizes rape as long as her dad is paid-off and you marry her.  How special.

« Last Edit: March 17, 2012, 01:48:33 am by falcon9 »
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2012, 04:10:36 am »
Bible says it's ok.  I think you just owe the girls dad a goat or something.

The Bible doesn't say any such thing.

Well, I'm not sure what goats went for back then however, he was pretty close.

I knew some "genius" would compare this to the Bible.I'm only surprised someone beat Falcon9 to it. ::)

No comparisons were needed since there are 'direct quotes'.  I'm slightly surprised that even a diminished-capacity xtian wouldn't want to 'thump' that reference out of the 'babble/bible', (although it doesn't take a "genius" to figure out why). Here's the refutation of your false denial:


"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." -- Deu. 22:28:29, NIV

"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." -- Deu. 22:28:29, KJV


So, your religious indocrination manual authorizes rape as long as her dad is paid-off and you marry her.  How special.



the NIV version is a terrible translation and that is very evident with the following words "and they are discovered".  Note the 'they' used indicates mutuality and not 'rape'.  The word was likely closer in meaning to 'seduces'.
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2012, 06:28:37 am »
The Bible doesn't say any such thing.

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." -- Deu. 22:28:29, NIV

"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." -- Deu. 22:28:29, KJV
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the NIV version is a terrible translation and that is very evident with the following words "and they are discovered".  Note the 'they' used indicates mutuality and not 'rape'.  The word was likely closer in meaning to 'seduces'.

Not quite; the original Hebrew-Aramaic words were "taphas and shakab", which are "to seize and lay hold of" + "to lie (as in sexual relations)". Hence, the use of the word taphas in conjunction with shakab in Deuteronomy implies that the sexual act was forced upon the maiden without her consent. It also tacitly implies that if they weren't 'found out/discovered' then the admonishments wouldn't apply.  The whole thing sounds a bit like a consenting women either isn't 'discovered' and remains silent or, gets busted and 'cries rape' after consent, (thus denying consent after the fact and falsely accusing the man - who earns a death sentence as a result).  If the man 'seduced' the woman, (which means to entice, beguile, manipulate), then he either did so with or against her will.  IIRC, back then, the woman's family provided a marriage dowry so, the fifty sheckels in silver wouldn't be paid by the seducer, it would've been paid by the bride's family.  This discrepency causes doubt about the admonishment's translations.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2012, 06:39:30 am by falcon9 »
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2012, 07:23:08 am »
There is no way in hell that I would marry a man who raped me. I too would be shopping for rat poison. This is another example of how ancient and I do mean ancient Arab culture is confused with Islam. The law of Islam is just and does not force marriage on any woman. Tribal law on the other hand is this nonsense that a woman who has been raped by some nut case has to marry him. It is ignorance and it is not sanctioned by what is holy. If you read the Qur'an you will not find any such nonsense in it. I feel such hurt for a young girl barely out of puberty given by her parents to a monster. I have many questions about the circumstances of the situation. One of them is how did he gain access to her. This is not America this is an Islamic country where women do not walk around loose. This creep had to have stalked her and entrapped her believe me it wasn't a haphazard happenstance nor was it easy. The biblical reference is not current law as relates to the situation as Muslims consider Mohammed's(PABBUH) revelation as the current law and there is no allowance for rape.

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